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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: Miss Mia on May 31, 2008, 06:15:17 PM
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Give Florida and Michigan half their delegates.
I only watched a bit of this at the end. Ickes says Hillary reserves the right to take this to the Credentials Committee in Denver.
Crowd of Hillary supporters shout and yell and scream inside hall after the Michigan vote.
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Give Florida and Michigan half their delegates.
Is that a suggestion or a report?
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Give Florida and Michigan half their delegates.
Is that a suggestion or a report?
A report. They met today and just wrapped up.
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But Miss Mia, I have a problem with this.
There's a larger issue at stake here.
The larger issue is, do the elected representatives of the people of a state select dates on which to hold their primaries, or does the short little doctor of the Democrat National Committee tell states when to hold such events?
I say seat them all, no matter if they're committed to Hillary Clinton or to Barry "Goldwater" Obama.
Let democracy, and not the Democrat National Committee, rule.
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Give Florida and Michigan half their delegates.
Is that a suggestion or a report?
A report. They met today and just wrapped up.
How funny -- they caved. Now it is unfair to BOTH hussein and mrs. clinton.
This is the BEST outcome for us and for Operation Chaos!!
Great news!
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I don't think they got too far in "unifying their party" :tongue: :rotf:
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But Miss Mia, I have a problem with this.
There's a larger issue at stake here.
The larger issue is, do the elected representatives of the people of a state select dates on which to hold their primaries, or does the short little doctor of the Democrat National Committee tell states when to hold such events?
I say seat them all, no matter if they're committed to Hillary Clinton or to Barry "Goldwater" Obama.
Let democracy, and not the Democrat National Committee, rule.
Great DUspaek :) ;)
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But Miss Mia, I have a problem with this.
There's a larger issue at stake here.
The larger issue is, do the elected representatives of the people of a state select dates on which to hold their primaries, or does the short little doctor of the Democrat National Committee tell states when to hold such events?
I say seat them all, no matter if they're committed to Hillary Clinton or to Barry "Goldwater" Obama.
Let democracy, and not the Democrat National Committee, rule.
This is the same committee that striped them of all their delegates.
Frank, I believe there needs to be a change of how the primaries are held and in what order.
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Harold Ickes, said "you bet your aZz" twice, he is mad me thinks!
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But Miss Mia, I have a problem with this.
There's a larger issue at stake here.
The larger issue is, do the elected representatives of the people of a state select dates on which to hold their primaries, or does the short little doctor of the Democrat National Committee tell states when to hold such events?
I say seat them all, no matter if they're committed to Hillary Clinton or to Barry "Goldwater" Obama.
Let democracy, and not the Democrat National Committee, rule.
This is the same committee that striped them of all their delegates.
Frank, I believe there needs to be a change of how the primaries are held and in what order.
One big day, period. And NH and IA can suck rocks and pound sand.
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From MSNBC:
link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24905193/)
The committee agreed on a compromise offered by the Michigan Democratic Party that would split the difference, allowing Clinton to take 69 delegates and Obama 59. Each delegate would get half a vote at the convention in Denver this summer, according to the deal.
They also agreed to seat the Florida delegation based on the outcome of the January primary, with 105 pledged delegates for Clinton and 67 for Obama, but with each delegate getting half a vote as a penalty.
The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days.
Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida.
Obama's total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5, according to The Associated Press calculations.
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Next step, the Florida Republicans will seat their delegates not at 50% but at 100%. Next step after Denver, Hillary will run on and Independent ticket!
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I saw Jim Blanchard's speech. I thought he was going to cry. I tried to watch the rest of it... maybe that's what put me to sleep.
I did enjoy my nap. :yawn:
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I saw Jim Blanchard's speech. I thought he was going to cry. I tried to watch the rest of it... maybe that's what put me to sleep.
I did enjoy my nap. :yawn:
I only watched the last probably 10 minutes. I may be a political dork, but I'm not that much of a dork.
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How funny -- they caved. Now it is unfair to BOTH hussein and mrs. clinton.
This is the BEST outcome for us and for Operation Chaos!!
Great news!
The only thing that could have made it better was if they made it 3/5ths of a vote instead of 1/2. This convention will be more entertaining than anything on cable right now.
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Give Florida and Michigan half their delegates.
I only watched a bit of this at the end. Ickes says Hillary reserves the right to take this to the Credentials Committee in Denver.
Crowd of Hillary supporters shout and yell and scream inside hall after the Michigan vote.
I heard on a talk show recently that they have to do that anyway, it's already written in the stupid rules. They didn't decide anything, this whole thing was a sham.
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But Miss Mia, I have a problem with this.
There's a larger issue at stake here.
The larger issue is, do the elected representatives of the people of a state select dates on which to hold their primaries, or does the short little doctor of the Democrat National Committee tell states when to hold such events?
I say seat them all, no matter if they're committed to Hillary Clinton or to Barry "Goldwater" Obama.
Let democracy, and not the Democrat National Committee, rule.
This is the same committee that striped them of all their delegates.
Frank, I believe there needs to be a change of how the primaries are held and in what order.
One big day, period. And NH and IA can suck rocks and pound sand.
Bitchslap for telling me to pound sand.
And oh, if it hadn't been for DEM legislatures trying to **** up the works, none of this would have happened. Frankly, it's not up to the DNC to decide when the primaries take place, so why punish them.
As the Dummies keep screaming after every election, "Count every vote!" Ah, delicious irony that they don't live up to their own pontification.
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Give Florida and Michigan half their delegates.
I only watched a bit of this at the end. Ickes says Hillary reserves the right to take this to the Credentials Committee in Denver.
Crowd of Hillary supporters shout and yell and scream inside hall after the Michigan vote.
I heard on a talk show recently that they have to do that anyway, it's already written in the stupid rules. They didn't decide anything, this whole thing was a sham.
That sounds about right!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYzzyctEVcs&feature=related
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Damn it's fun to watch these people eat their own.
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Damn it's fun to watch these people eat their own.
I don't know who the little lady is sitting directly to Mr. Ickies left but she pretty much told them the same thing. I think they can kiss party unity goodbye.
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What a bunch of clowns....For Michigan, the undecided will be seated with a 60% for Hillary and 40% for Barrack..."undecided" is a legitimate option.....but let's not let rules get in the way...the DNC will decide what those voters really want...They are so repulsive and I hope Hannity repeats this RULING every day till November.
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I saw Jim Blanchard's speech. I thought he was going to cry. I tried to watch the rest of it... maybe that's what put me to sleep.
I did enjoy my nap. :yawn:
I only watched the last probably 10 minutes. I may be a political dork, but I'm not that much of a dork.
I guess I am. :-)
I watched a lot of it. in between dealing with a flat tire (when was the last time anyone ever even heard of a flat tire???) and having the "weekend duty", I probably watched around half of it.
assuming that the whole thing doesn't wind up in court, hillary gets nothing like the delegate kiss she was looking for. but this does lend legitimacy to the votes that she got in FL and MI. her claim to the lead in the popular vote (odd counting practices in caucus states notwithstanding, of course, Mia :wink:) sounds much less unrealistic.
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I saw Jim Blanchard's speech. I thought he was going to cry. I tried to watch the rest of it... maybe that's what put me to sleep.
I did enjoy my nap. :yawn:
I only watched the last probably 10 minutes. I may be a political dork, but I'm not that much of a dork.
I guess I am. :-)
I watched a lot of it. in between dealing with a flat tire (when was the last time anyone ever even heard of a flat tire???) and having the "weekend duty", I probably watched around half of it.
assuming that the whole thing doesn't wind up in court, hillary gets nothing like the delegate kiss she was looking for. but this does lend legitimacy to the votes that she got in FL and MI. her claim to the lead in the popular vote (odd counting practices in caucus states notwithstanding, of course, Mia :wink:) sounds much less unrealistic.
The court system will do exactly what it's been doing, throwing out any lawsuits.
Also, I read this interesting post on DU.
grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal
at May-31-08 09:37 PM
Original message (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6206559)
Relax Hillary Cannot Appeal to the Credentials Committee Updated at 2:39 PM
Hillary Cannot Appeal
The Rules of the Committee nailed the Clinton's campaign shut.
Hillary did not reserve the right to appeal. She has no such right.
Dissatisfied Democrats in Michigan could mount an appeal but it would have to do three things to last more than 5 minutes
1) They would have to show that there was real harm and a clear injustice.
2) They would have to show that their remedy was better than what the Rules Committee came up with.
3) The would have to show that there is widespread support for this in the Michigan State Democratic Party.;
When the Rules Committee ruled unanimously on the Florida resolution it eliminated a two state problem and now Hillary can only complain about Michigan.
Harold Ickes "we reserve the right to appeal" is just the silly old lawyer trying to say something bold to buck up the client on the way out before the Sheriff takes him off to jail.
What do you expect him to say "We got our asses handed today and its all over"?
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Give Florida and Michigan half their delegates.
Is that a suggestion or a report?
A report. They met today and just wrapped up.
How funny -- they caved. Now it is unfair to BOTH hussein and mrs. clinton.
This is the BEST outcome for us and for Operation Chaos!!
Great news!
Typical idiot dems that can't make a hard decision or stick to a rule.
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Give Florida and Michigan half their delegates.
Is that a suggestion or a report?
A report. They met today and just wrapped up.
How funny -- they caved. Now it is unfair to BOTH hussein and mrs. clinton.
This is the BEST outcome for us and for Operation Chaos!!
Great news!
Typical idiot dems that can't make a hard decision or stick to a rule.
they wound up in the same place the republicans started out for the same infraction. what happened in MI is a little anti-democratic, but I think that is the best outcome they could have hoped for from the rules comte.
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they wound up in the same place the republicans started out for the same infraction. what happened in MI is a little anti-democratic, but I think that is the best outcome they could have hoped for from the rules comte.
No it isn't.
#1 -- this isn't a "democratic" issue -- it is an issue about how the parties determine their candidate.
#2 -- the DNC was 100% clear on what would happen if FL and MI moved their elections. FL and MI flipped off the DNC and told them to go pound sand. The DNC (initally) executed on their promise.
#3 -- hussein took the DNC at their word and didn't campaign. mrs. clinton also did so, but hedged her bet a bit. Neither got the result from their actions had the DNC just did what they said they would.
#4 -- this now tells all States that, at least for the democratic party, there is no significant downside to moving their primaries up to, say, the Feb 1, 2008 for the 2012 primaries. The repercussions from this complete lack of backbone will reverberate for decades.
"Count every vote" is as stupid a meme as "Bush was selected." But the Left lives on memes and are now hoisted on this one.
May they have a long and contentious primary season, with a permanently divisive Convention.
PS: New idea: mrs. clinton is threatening through back channels that if she doesn't get the nod, she will go independent. Scorched Earth.
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they wound up in the same place the republicans started out for the same infraction. what happened in MI is a little anti-democratic, but I think that is the best outcome they could have hoped for from the rules comte.
No it isn't.
#1 -- this isn't a "democratic" issue -- it is an issue about how the parties determine their candidate.
#2 -- the DNC was 100% clear on what would happen if FL and MI moved their elections. FL and MI flipped off the DNC and told them to go pound sand. The DNC (initally) executed on their promise.
#3 -- hussein took the DNC at their word and didn't campaign. mrs. clinton also did so, but hedged her bet a bit. Neither got the result from their actions had the DNC just did what they said they would.
#4 -- this now tells all States that, at least for the democratic party, there is no significant downside to moving their primaries up to, say, the Feb 1, 2008 for the 2012 primaries. The repercussions from this complete lack of backbone will reverberate for decades.
"Count every vote" is as stupid a meme as "Bush was selected." But the Left lives on memes and are now hoisted on this one.
May they have a long and contentious primary season, with a permanently divisive Convention.
PS: New idea: mrs. clinton is threatening through back channels that if she doesn't get the nod, she will go independent. Scorched Earth.
we've been through all this, FD. twice. well, except for #4. that one is new, I think.
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they wound up in the same place the republicans started out for the same infraction. what happened in MI is a little anti-democratic, but I think that is the best outcome they could have hoped for from the rules comte.
No it isn't.
#1 -- this isn't a "democratic" issue -- it is an issue about how the parties determine their candidate.
#2 -- the DNC was 100% clear on what would happen if FL and MI moved their elections. FL and MI flipped off the DNC and told them to go pound sand. The DNC (initally) executed on their promise.
#3 -- hussein took the DNC at their word and didn't campaign. mrs. clinton also did so, but hedged her bet a bit. Neither got the result from their actions had the DNC just did what they said they would.
#4 -- this now tells all States that, at least for the democratic party, there is no significant downside to moving their primaries up to, say, the Feb 1, 2008 for the 2012 primaries. The repercussions from this complete lack of backbone will reverberate for decades.
"Count every vote" is as stupid a meme as "Bush was selected." But the Left lives on memes and are now hoisted on this one.
May they have a long and contentious primary season, with a permanently divisive Convention.
PS: New idea: mrs. clinton is threatening through back channels that if she doesn't get the nod, she will go independent. Scorched Earth.
we've been through all this, FD. twice. well, except for #4. that one is new, I think.
Were we?
Damn, the mind is the first thing to go. Well, almost.
But you might want to think through #4 and mrs. c going indy...
And I am not wrong on 1-3 -- ;)