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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CactusCarlos on November 14, 2012, 03:15:58 PM
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Pregnant woman dies in agony as doctors do nothing by command of the Irish Catholic Church
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021817890
Playinghardball (4,037 posts)
Pregnant woman dies in agony as doctors do nothing by command of the Irish Catholic Church
The Guardian:
"This is a Catholic country," was what Irish doctors told Savita Halappanavar after she learned she was miscarrying her pregnancy and asked for an abortion to avoid further complications. She spent three days in agonizing pain, eventually shaking, vomiting and passing out. She again asked for an abortion and was refused, because the fetus still had a heartbeat.
Then she died.
She was 17 weeks pregnant, died of septicaemia a week after presenting with back pain on 21 October at University hospital in Galway, where she was found to be miscarrying.
Her husband describes her last days:
More at: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/14/1161544/-Pregnant-woman-dies-in-agony-as-doctors-do-nothing-by-command-of-the-Irish-Catholic-Church
Wow.
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Please notice the source of the story.
There's probably a lot more, a whole lot more, to this than what the lying primitives are making of it.
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I'm no Catholic but I'll bet a month's carrots the catechism allows for medically neccessary abortions.
Methinks this is a blood libel story either instigated by the doctor and/or puffed-up by the Guardian.
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I'm no Catholic but I'll bet a month's carrots the catechism allows for medically neccessary abortions.
Yes, it does.
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Irish law allows for abortions to save the life of the mother. I suspect that there is a lot more going on than the news story is saying. The doctors may have made a mistake, but Irish laws regarding abortion are not to blame.
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atreides1 (9,771 posts)
8. Arrests for what?
The doctors were following Irish law as it's currently written.
The same kind of law that the religious fanatics want here in the US!
You people are so f'n retarded. ::)
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Here's some stories about the future of Obamacare:
The United States will require at least 52,000 more family doctors in the year 2025 to keep up with the growing and increasingly older U.S. population, a new study found.
The predictions also reflect the passage of the Affordable Care Act--a change that will expand health insurance coverage to an additional 38 million Americans. . . .
"It's pretty tough to convince medical students to go into primary care," said Dr. Lee Green, chair of Family Medicine at the University of Alberta, who was not involved with the study. . . .
"[Patients] won't be able to see a primary care physician hardly," he said. "Primary care will be past saturated with wait times longer and will not accept any new patients. There will be an increase in hospitalizations and increase in death rates for basic preventable things like hypertension that was not managed adequately."
http://gma.yahoo.com/doc-shortage-could-cause-healthcare-crash-172501425--abc-news-health.html
But at least a lot more people will have insurance!
Also the Montreal Gazette reports on how this works out in a country where everyone has insurance courtesy of the government:
Surgery wait times for deadly ovarian, cervical and breast cancers in Quebec are three times longer than government benchmarks, leading some desperate patients to shop around for an operating room.
But that's a waste of time, doctors say, since the problem is spread across Quebec hospitals. And doctors are refusing to accept new patients quickly because they can't treat them, health advocates say.
A leading Montreal gynecologist said that these days, she cannot look her patients in the eye because the wait times are so shocking. Lack of resources, including nursing staff and budget compressions, are driving a backlog of surgeries while operating rooms stand empty. The latest figures from the provincial government show that over a span of nearly 11 months, 7,780 patients in the Montreal area waited six months or longer for day surgeries, while another 2,957 waited for six months or longer for operations that required hospitalization.
The worst cases are gynecological cancers, experts say, because usually such a cancer has already spread by the time it is detected. Instead of four weeks from diagnosis to surgery, patients are waiting as long as three months to have cancerous growths removed.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/crisis%20Quebec%20women/7537213/story.html
Lot to look forward to, huh primitives?
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Irish law allows for abortions to save the life of the mother. I suspect that there is a lot more going on than the news story is saying. The doctors may have made a mistake, but Irish laws regarding abortion are not to blame.
This is just another primitive cheap-shot.
Medically-necessary abortions have always been allowed under Catholic doctrine.
My mother, when pregnant with her eighth and last child (I was second-from-last), developed some sort of condition which causes the usually-okay blood-pressure to skyrocket during pregnancy, and if it goes on too long, the woman goes into shock and dies.
It's now pharmaceutically-treated, but we're talking decades ago, when it wasn't.
I was two years old at the time, and not especially bright, so I have no memory of the event, but from written records, it appears that while my mother was assured, both medically and spiritually, that an abortion was needed to save her life, in spite of all this, she herself decided to continue carrying the child.
My younger brother was delivered several weeks prematurely, and by Caesarian section, probably at about that point her blood-pressure was skyrocketing out of control. Both mother and infant recovered.
Medically-necessary abortions have always been allowed under Roman Catholic doctrine; but they have to be medically-necessary.
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This is just another primitive cheap-shot.
The term you're looking for is, blood libel.
The lie is just as outrageous and the intent is just as hateful.
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So, it sounds like what actually happened was that the docs either failed to diagnose the septicemia immediately, or she was too advanced in it to save when she was admitted.
Modern medicine is marvelous, but once septicemia takes hold and establishes itself, and places away from the initial site of infection turn red-shot or purple, you're pretty much fooked with a capital F, and will likely live about three days if you're in a hospital, and probably substantially less if you're not.
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Looking at the actual sources, this is a really sad story but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the Catholic Church, only Ireland's laws.
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/14/ireland-abortion-law-woman-death)
Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2232676/Savita-Halappanavar-Woman-died-blood-poisoning-Irish-medics-refused-perform-abortion-Catholic-country.html)
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Looking at the actual sources, this is a really sad story but it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the Catholic Church, only Ireland's laws.
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/14/ireland-abortion-law-woman-death)
Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2232676/Savita-Halappanavar-Woman-died-blood-poisoning-Irish-medics-refused-perform-abortion-Catholic-country.html)
This source (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/what-is-septicaemia-8316657.html) seems to take a much less bloodthirsty look at the woman's situation.
...Women die from septicaemia linked to pregnancy in the UK every year, and deaths – though rare - are on the increase. But they are normally at a more advanced stage of pregnancy than in Ms Halappanavar’s case.
In the UK, a woman whose membranes broke at 17 weeks would be offered a termination to avoid the risk of infection, which would be carried out by inducing labour to deliver the foetus. There would be no chance of delivering a live baby at 17 weeks.
But at 23 weeks women are given a choice of being induced immediately, with the likely death of the foetus, or help to keep them stable and delay the birth till 26 or 27 weeks when the chance of a live birth is much increased.
Many women opt to wait. But, with the removal of the barrier protecting the womb from invading bacteria following rupture of the membranes, they run the risk of infection.
If an infection occurs it can be rapid, severe, and difficult to treat – and may in rare cases be fatal.
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To me, this sounds more a condemnation of the "womb to tomb" healthcare laws of the UK (and soon enough here) than anything Catholic or even religious.
As usual, the DUmmies were stooping, and this sailed right over their teeny, tiny brains. :hammer:
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Wow, discrimination based on Nationality AND Religion, gasp in awe at how "enlightened" they are
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This happened on Oct. 21. Why is it making a stink now ?
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This happened on Oct. 21. Why is it making a stink now ?
Because it's a better time now, to spread lies and slanders, than it was during the campaign.