Many states (at least 20) have filed petitions on the whitehouse website requesting secession from the union. You can sign petitions for each on to help them hit their goal of 25,000.
click here for petition (http://wh.gov/9maC)
Google "Texas v. White."
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Google "Texas v. White."
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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government." - Declaration of Independence
There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents secession by a state and as such according to the Tenth Amendment, all non-specified rights belong to the states.
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government." - Declaration of Independence
There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents secession by a state and as such according to the Tenth Amendment, all non-specified rights belong to the states.
People aren't thinking right now, it is just crazy!!! Obama only has 4 more ears, and that's the end of it. The best thing to do is correct the problems we are having.
People aren't thinking right now, it is just crazy!!! Obama only has 4 more ears, and that's the end of it. The best thing to do is correct the problems we are having.
OH GOD NO!
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OH GOD NO!Oh my goodness!!! I didn't see that typo...sorry about that everyone!!
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I found this article. it would take 38 states to overturn "White"
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/stanley-b1.1.1.html
I am confused to where the 26 states come in however..
What I find most laughable about this, is the whole paradox/hypocrisy these clowns are operating under. These are people who are petitioning to secede from the United States, largely because they believe the Federal Government is untrustworthy, and yet they are petitioning by affixing THEIR PERSONAL, IDENTIFYING INFORMATION - INCLUDING A GENERAL LOCATION IN WHICH THEY MIGHT BE FOUND - to a digital document ON A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WEBSITE?!?! :banghead: A Federal Government of which it is known to have US citizens on "kill lists", unmanned, absolutely obedient drones to execute those same "kill lists", and "authority" through the NDAA to arrest anybody, anywhere, and detain them indefinitely in direct defiance of the Constitution? :argh:
Where's your *******ed paranoia when you friggin' need it, you damned IDIOTS?!?! If these are the Leaders of the next Revolution, pass me the popcorn, because for all of it's brevity, this is going to be like watching a *******ed train wreck. :whatever: :popcorn:
Oh God here we go again...
Oh God here we go again...
Pretty much. These guys remind me of the "Free State Project" dolts in NH. It's been over a decade and they've failed miserably.
Even the Paulites are looking at them and going, "What retards."
What I find most laughable about this, is the whole paradox/hypocrisy these clowns are operating under. These are people who are petitioning to secede from the United States, largely because they believe the Federal Government is untrustworthy, and yet they are petitioning by affixing THEIR PERSONAL, IDENTIFYING INFORMATION - INCLUDING A GENERAL LOCATION IN WHICH THEY MIGHT BE FOUND - to a digital document ON A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WEBSITE?!?! :banghead: A Federal Government of which it is known to have US citizens on "kill lists", unmanned, absolutely obedient drones to execute those same "kill lists", and "authority" through the NDAA to arrest anybody, anywhere, and detain them indefinitely in direct defiance of the Constitution? :argh:
Where's your *******ed paranoia when you friggin' need it, you damned IDIOTS?!?! If these are the Leaders of the next Revolution, pass me the popcorn, because for all of it's brevity, this is going to be like watching a *******ed train wreck. :whatever: :popcorn:
Obamaclaus is making his list....he's checking it twice....gonna find out who's naughty or nice....
And it wasn't for another year that they were granted congressional representation by President Grant with An Act to admit the State of Texas to Representation in the Congres of the United States. Hepburn v. Ellzey (another supreme court case) a state is defined by having congressional representation and electoral representation, which Texas did not have between the time that they declared secession until Grant readmitted them in 1870. Hepburn v. Ellzey is the case that decided that DC is not a state.
Google "Texas v. White."
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"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it's an instrument for the people to restrain government."
CR,
Read the entire decision in Hepburn v. Elzey (1804) (decision here) (http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_17s12.html). It does not define a "state" as you have described. Basically, according to Hepburn, a state is a state, and the District of Columbia isn't a state.
Assuming, for the sake of discussion, that your reading and application of Hepburn is correct. Applying Hepburn to the secession of the Confederate states fails, because any of the Confederate states could have sent their Senators and Representatives to Congress; they chose not to.
Texas v. White addresses the point you are making, and rejects it. Read the decision here. (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0074_0700_ZO.html) The Supreme Court decided that Texas never had the right of secession in the first place, and the US was not bound by the state's act of seceding. Once a state is in the Union, it's in.
I'm kinda with you, Defiantsix. I've made no comments anywhere on any of the internets. I understand completely how pissed people are, especially with massive voter fraud having taken place. New York puzzles me a little bit. I can see wanting to become "North New York" and "South New York," though. It is culturally two different entities. Some parts around here would remind you of Rocky Top, TN. :-)
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I think it would be stupid, our strength lies in our unity, not diversity but I still believe in it as a right.
That ship sailed long ago. I do think a divorce is inevitable. This unity you speak of just does not exist anymore and the difference can be seen in any election map dating back 2 decades. This is our definition of "marriage":
That ship sailed long ago. I do think a divorce is inevitable. This unity you speak of just does not exist anymore and the difference can be seen in any election map dating back 2 decades.
I know. It has been demonstrated that a fractured America does not bode well for anyone, least of all us. The same election maps show increasing conservative popularity in many states where it did not previously exist while at the same time showing a higher concentration of looters which have bred prolifically over the years.
How do liberty and freedom minded people overcome that? I don't think secession is the answer in this day and age, I really don't. Forcing the blue shitholes to have to live with their decisions is the best answer but seceding Sovereign States choosing alliances based on the wishes of the urban hellholes will only harm the very people we have been able to reach over the last 20 years.
THE most liberal senator President in history was just re-elected
Barely, and with no mandate to do anything other than continue the gridlock of the last two years. Look at the map, Reb, we're not defeated.