kpete (37,152 posts)
Republicans should be terrified-What California looks like now is what the entire USA will look like
SUN NOV 11, 2012 AT 06:45 PM PST
Golden results in the Golden State: Democrats dominate California
by Dante Atkins
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Republicans woke up on Wednesday morning to survey the damage, in few places could it be considered more horrifying than it was in California. With but few exceptions, progressive candidates and ideologies dominated California races on election night and handed stunning defeats to conservative candidates and their billionaire backers.
The "tax revolt" is over. Nearly a quarter-century ago, during Jerry Brown's first stint in the Governor's Mansion, California voters passed Proposition 13. In addition to limiting the growth of property taxes on both residential and commercial property, Proposition 13 dictated that any bill to pass taxes must be approved by a two-thirds vote of both legislative bodies. The passage of Proposition 13 hailed the beginning of the so-called "tax revolt"—a voter rebellion against the fact that property taxes had doubled in a 10-year period as a result of rising property values. But on Tuesday night—with Jerry Brown once again serving as governor—the tax revolt ended. Voters approved Gov. Brown's tax measure, Proposition 30, by an eight-point margin, even though the most reliable polling indicated that the measure could well have been headed for defeat. The effects are already being felt. The measure will raise taxes on high income earners to fund education, and as a result of its passage, the California State University system has already rescinded the most recent tuition increase it passed for the fall semester. Elections have consequences. Additionally, voters overwhelmingly approved Proposition 39, which eliminates a tax loophole for big businesses and uses the revenue to fund green energy projects.
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The Bottom Line: Republicans should be terrified. What California looks like now is what the entire United States will look like in the future, and it is a world in which Republicans cannot win. California is done with the conservative ideology of tax revolts, and they are done with Republican politicians at the ballot box. Nov. 6 was a golden day for Democrats in the Golden State.
MORE:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/11/1158501/-Golden-results-in-the-Golden-State-Democrats-dominate-California?detail=hide
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324894104578106941506837334.html
Sekhmets Daughter (1,286 posts)
1. But what is truly amazing is that they voted to raise the Sales Tax! CA
has always been the leader...if must be those great Pacific breezes.
Warpy (65,457 posts)
6. Raising the sales tax is doubleplus ungood
It's a regressive, economy killing tax that will likely be repealed once the fat cats have gotten more used to paying their fair share.
Prop 13 needs to be modified to take inflation into account. Freezing property taxes has simply starved the government into near uselessness. California deserves better now that most of the tax whiners who got it passed are in nursing homes.
Progressive taxation is the only real way to run a government that is efficient and can afford to be humane. The most fortunate among us need to pay for their vast privilege.
Sekhmets Daughter (1,286 posts)
10. Well, the people don't agree with you.
They voted to raise the sales tax 0.25% from 7.25% to 7.50%... it did not come out of the legislature. Now, i don't know if they tax things like clothing in CA, NJ doesn't but FL does... but the people seem to think they can handle it. Americans seem to think that everyone's taxes should go up, except theirs. It would appear that the people of CA believe in everyone carrying a bit of the burden. Prop 13 was a mistake from its inception...it bankrupted the state and ruined what was the best system of higher education in the world and the most affordable.
CaliforniaPeggy (100,126 posts)
2. We Democrats do need to be careful, however.
We now possess a super-majority in our legislature, which means we can pretty much do what we want.
But the voters can snatch that away from us if we abuse our power.
Plus, since we have all that power, we will be to blame if things don't turn out the way we anticipate.
Let's not get crazy, even though I suspect we'd love to do that.
We have wandered a long time in the wilderness.....now it's the Republicans' turn.
jaysunb (7,732 posts)
11. We need to show leadership.
With Democrats firmly in control of all levers of government, it's imperative that we show the country what democratic ideas look like in real time. We can shout progressive values from the rooftops but people do what they see more often than what they hear.
And, may Howard Jarvis and Paul Gann continue to rot in hell !!
CaliforniaPiggy (100,126 posts)
2. We Democrats do need to be careful, however. unpossible!
We now possess a super-majority in our legislature, which means we can pretty much do what we want. Stooooopidity run amock.
But the voters can snatch that away from us if we abuse our power. Not if, but when.
Plus, since we have all that power, we will be to blame if things don't turn out the way we anticipate. But you will blame it on conservatives leaving the state.
Let's not get crazy, even though I suspect we'd love to do that. And you will, you always do.
We have wandered a long time in the wilderness.....now it's the Republicans' turn.
We have wandered a long time in the wilderness.....now it's theRepublicans'everyone's turn.
It's the California voters who should be terrified, but apparently a substantial majority of them aren't smart enough to understand why.
You have businesses and productive people moving out of California because of taxes and the cost of living.
You have Hospitals closing.
You have gangs running rampant.
You have high crime.
You have more takers than producers.
Who pays the takers when all the producers have left?
kpete (37,152 posts)
Republicans should be terrified-What California looks like now is what the entire USA will look like
kpete (37,152 posts)
Republicans should be terrified-What California looks like now is what the entire USA will look like
You have businesses and productive people moving out of California because of taxes and the cost of living.
You have Hospitals closing.
You have gangs running rampant.
You have high crime.
You have more takers than producers.
Who pays the takers when all the producers have left?
jaysunb (7,732 posts)Chicago
11. We need to show leadership.
With Democrats firmly in control of all levers of government, it's imperative that we show the country what democratic ideas look like in real time. We can shout progressive values from the rooftops but people do what they see more often than what they hear.
And, may Howard Jarvis and Paul Gann continue to rot in hell !!
jaysunb (7,732 posts)
11. With Democrats firmly in control of all levers of government, it's imperative that we show the country what democratic ideas look like in real time.
Detroit suburb sees murder spike since police layoffs (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/11/detroit-suburb-sees-murder-spike-since-police-layoffs/?test=latestnews)
Violent crime in Inkster has jumped 311 percent from 2010-2011, according to MyFoxDetroit.com, citing the city’s website.
Actually, the DUmmies should be afraid. I would like to propose an Electoral College system so that this:
(http://www.cagenweb.com/colusa/CA_Political_Makeup_Counties.gif)
won't happen. Blue cities dictating to the rest of the state.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2012/
Just for shits and grins DUmmies:
(http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2012/countymaprb1024.png)
Go ahead, keep thinking you have a mandate.
Now we know where to target the nukes.Those areas will all be under water in 50 years anyway.
Aim for the blue. Better yet, fence off those areas and let "natural selection" take place. :evillaugh:
Those areas will all be under water in 50 years anyway.
Problem solved.
It's the California voters who should be terrified, but apparently a substantial majority of them aren't smart enough to understand why.
I wonder what they will do when they find out their EBT cards aren't reloaded with more money.
It's the California voters who should be terrified, but apparently a substantial majority of them aren't smart enough to understand why.
What do DUmbshits normally do when they can't "buy" something: they steal it.(http://ericpetersautos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/FSA.jpg)
Every time I see one of those county by county maps of the election it reminds me of one of those "Outbreak" type maps. The one where you see the virus starting then it starts to spread. We have to keep it from spreading.
KC
Que?
No comprende.
Chicago
Milwaukee
Detroit
LA
...or just about any big city run by the dems.