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Title: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Tucker on November 10, 2012, 07:14:19 AM
The entire political structure is totally screwed up. The politicians are for the politicians. We no longer have a Government that is "by the people, for the people." We have the best politicians that money can buy. Ordinary people get elected and go to Washington only to be swallowed up by the system. However, they do get rich in the process.

I'm starting to think that obama winning was a good thing. I would give him anything and everything that he asks for. Don't block anything. Let the whole thing come crashing down. Start over from square one. When, not if, it crashes, there will be a purge. It will get messy but we will come out of it a stronger country. Free of the entitlement class. Free of the immoral minority. Free of the Marxist democrat party.

Maybe we have to take one step back in order to take two steps forward.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: franksolich on November 10, 2012, 07:23:40 AM
This is why I'm strongly in favor of term limits; always have been.

Nebraska finally got a term-limit law that met the "standards" of the Supreme Court back in 2002, after, I dunno, almost thirty years of trying to get them.

Turnover in the state legislature (49 state senators; that's all we got, at $12,000 per year), has been 100% since 2002.

State taxes, to one extent or another, have gone down every single year since then.

Since they can be around only eight years, state senators don't have much of an opportunity to get "buddy-buddy" with the special interests.  They know they're in there only a short time, and so are in a hurry to legislate on issues that got them elected in the first place.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Freeper on November 10, 2012, 07:35:12 AM
The entire political structure is totally screwed up. The politicians are for the politicians. We no longer have a Government that is "by the people, for the people." We have the best politicians that money can buy. Ordinary people get elected and go to Washington only to be swallowed up by the system. However, they do get rich in the process.

I'm starting to think that obama winning was a good thing. I would give him anything and everything that he asks for. Don't block anything. Let the whole thing come crashing down. Start over from square one. When, not if, it crashes, there will be a purge. It will get messy but we will come out of it a stronger country. Free of the entitlement class. Free of the immoral minority. Free of the Marxist democrat party.

Maybe we have to take one step back in order to take two steps forward.

What I wish the Gop house would do is tell Nancy this her mess so she gets to fix it, let her introduce the legislation bring it up for a vote and every single Republican vote "present", do the same in the Senate and let 0bama sign it, then sit back and watch it all go to hell then remind the voters in 2014 that not a single Republican voted for it.





Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 10, 2012, 07:38:07 AM
What I wish the Gop house would do is tell Nancy this her mess so she gets to fix it, let her introduce the legislation bring it up for a vote and every single Republican vote "present", do the same in the Senate and let 0bama sign it, then sit back and watch it all go to hell then remind the voters in 2014 that not a single Republican voted for it.


Call it "The Obama Option".
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Freeper on November 10, 2012, 07:40:38 AM
Call it "The Obama Option".

Yep. The problem is the voters will probably still be too stupid to see that 0bama did it, they will still blame Bush.

Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Tucker on November 10, 2012, 07:50:54 AM
This is why I'm strongly in favor of term limits; always have been.

Nebraska finally got a term-limit law that met the "standards" of the Supreme Court back in 2002, after, I dunno, almost thirty years of trying to get them.

Turnover in the state legislature (49 state senators; that's all we got, at $12,000 per year), has been 100% since 2002.

State taxes, to one extent or another, have gone down every single year since then.

Since they can be around only eight years, state senators don't have much of an opportunity to get "buddy-buddy" with the special interests.  They know they're in there only a short time, and so are in a hurry to legislate on issues that got them elected in the first place.

We have term limits at the state level. The argument that the anti's put up for term limits is that they are already in place with the ability to vote them out of office. This might be a salient argument if there were policies in place to stop voter fraud, like the requirement to show a valid photo ID.

Showing a photo ID is the most important item on my agenda, right now. With the probability of 12-20 illegal aliens gaining legal status sometime within the next four years, the need to run clean elections is paramount.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Jasonw560 on November 10, 2012, 08:00:29 AM
What I wish the Gop house would do is tell Nancy this her mess so she gets to fix it, let her introduce the legislation bring it up for a vote and every single Republican vote "present", do the same in the Senate and let 0bama sign it, then sit back and watch it all go to hell then remind the voters in 2014 that not a single Republican voted for it.







Here's an article on this subject:

patriotpost.us/opinion/15403 (http://patriotpost.us/opinion/15403)

The ONE problem I have with this is gutting the military. What would prevent someone from coming over and taking us completely over, thus not giving us any chance of getting the Republic back?
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: BlueStateSaint on November 10, 2012, 08:05:36 AM
Here's an article on this subject:

patriotpost.us/opinion/15403 (http://patriotpost.us/opinion/15403)

The ONE problem I have with this is gutting the military. What would prevent someone from coming over and taking us completely over, thus not giving us any chance of getting the Republic back?

Well, 60-70 million gun owners might have a say . . .
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Ausonius on November 10, 2012, 08:36:24 AM

I'm starting to think that obama winning was a good thing. I would give him anything and everything that he asks for. Don't block anything. Let the whole thing come crashing down. Start over from square one. When, not if, it crashes, there will be a purge. It will get messy but we will come out of it a stronger country. Free of the entitlement class. Free of the immoral minority. Free of the Marxist democrat party.

Maybe we have to take one step back in order to take two steps forward.

Others have thought the same thing: "Hooverize" MAObama with national bankruptcy and currency collapse.

The other possibility - given the Dems' tendency to ignore the Constitution - is that they would blame Capitalism, Republican obstructionism, "fat cat bankers," the Churches, and anyone convenient, so that they can nationalize industry, mining, the schools, etc. etc. for a complete take-over, using the collapse as an excuse.

And you know their minions would gladly extend their hands for the new chains.

Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: CG6468 on November 10, 2012, 09:53:51 AM
Ask not what you can do for your country; ask what you can DO to our country.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: ChuckJ on November 10, 2012, 07:45:45 PM
This is why I'm strongly in favor of term limits; always have been.

Nebraska finally got a term-limit law that met the "standards" of the Supreme Court back in 2002, after, I dunno, almost thirty years of trying to get them.

Turnover in the state legislature (49 state senators; that's all we got, at $12,000 per year), has been 100% since 2002.

State taxes, to one extent or another, have gone down every single year since then.

Since they can be around only eight years, state senators don't have much of an opportunity to get "buddy-buddy" with the special interests.  They know they're in there only a short time, and so are in a hurry to legislate on issues that got them elected in the first place.

Previously, I've been against term limits. My thoughts were we might actually be limiting the term of someone who is doing a good job. Plus, we already have a way to limit terms: voting them out.

Then this election happened and I realized that a portion of America is too stupid to be voting.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Ausonius on November 10, 2012, 09:13:56 PM


Then this election happened and I realized that a portion of America is too stupid to be voting.
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Bring back property qualifications and literacy tests!   :o

And why not add the ability to do basic arithmetic: x - 17 = 20  x = ???  

Or test knowledge of the Constitution!  How many Dem politicians would fail that one?!   :argh:

"We have to pass it so we can find out what's in it," and the senile moron Pelosi nods like she's explaining something complicated to First Graders.   :banghead:

Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Chris_ on November 10, 2012, 09:15:10 PM
Bring back property qualifications and literacy tests!   :o
I'd settle for being employed (or just paying taxes).
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Ausonius on November 10, 2012, 09:31:08 PM
I'd settle for being employed (or just paying taxes).

There you go!  Only those paying the income tax can vote - (withholding does not count as actually paying!) 

Ah, a wonderful fantasy!   O-)   

Like no illegal immigrants voting!  Or union members voting multiple times!   :lmao:
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: ChuckJ on November 10, 2012, 09:54:27 PM
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Bring back property qualifications and literacy tests!   :o

And why not add the ability to do basic arithmetic: x - 17 = 20  x = ???  

Or test knowledge of the Constitution!  How many Dem politicians would fail that one?!   :argh:

"We have to pass it so we can find out what's in it," and the senile moron Pelosi nods like she's explaining something complicated to First Graders.   :banghead:



I would settle for something more simple. Like a single multiple choice question:

A good economy means
(a) I get free stuff
(b) I can get and/or keep a job
Title: Re: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: DLR Pyro on November 10, 2012, 10:09:44 PM
Anyone here ever read Vince Flynn's novel "Term Limits"?  Just sayin..:whistling:
Title: Re: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: rich_t on November 11, 2012, 07:44:53 AM
Anyone here ever read Vince Flynn's novel "Term Limits"?  Just sayin..:whistling:

I haven't.  What's the basic story line?
Title: Re: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: DLR Pyro on November 11, 2012, 10:31:08 AM
I haven't.  What's the basic story line?
Term Limits summary (http://www.allreaders.com/Topics/info_25197.asp)
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: CG6468 on November 11, 2012, 12:06:20 PM
Term lmits just don't cut it. It'd be a beginning, and much better than what we have now, but they'd find a way around term limits.

We need iron-clad, no exception term limits.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Dori on November 11, 2012, 01:15:44 PM
The country died when the left was allowed to take over every American institution and then branched off into several thousand more. 







Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Splashdown on November 11, 2012, 01:21:12 PM
The country died when the left was allowed to take over every American institution and then branched off into several thousand more. 


The country fell into the hole (I don't want to say "died" yet) when conservatives ceded academia and popular culture to the libs.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Dori on November 11, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
The country fell into the hole (I don't want to say "died" yet) when conservatives ceded academia and popular culture to the libs.

Yes, but it's so far gone now, how on earth can it ever be reclaimed? 

Conservatives would have to start their own schools in mass and put out competing media that influences the culture. 

I don't see it happening, do you?   And it would take at least one or two generations to right this sinking ship.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: CG6468 on November 11, 2012, 01:39:26 PM
And it would be discriminatory and sexist in today's world.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Ausonius on November 11, 2012, 02:43:17 PM
Yes, but it's so far gone now, how on earth can it ever be reclaimed? 

Conservatives would have to start their own schools in mass and put out competing media that influences the culture. 

I don't see it happening, do you?   

And it would take at least one or two generations to right this sinking ship.


I believe the home-schooling movement of the last 20 years is part of that, along with Fundamentalist Christians starting their own schools.

Most  but not all - Catholic schools can still be seen as against the kulcher of today: some have fallen prey to political correctness (filling kids with Angst about global warming, etc).  Others (like mine here in Columbus, Ohio) support Conservatism.

Yes, 40 years of wandering in the wilderness may await America right now: will it emerge purged and better than ever, or will it contain only a few pockets of sanity in a vast kulcheral and politicuckoo desert?
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Dori on November 11, 2012, 03:01:25 PM
I believe the home-schooling movement of the last 20 years is part of that, along with Fundamentalist Christians starting their own schools.

Most  but not all - Catholic schools can still be seen as against the kulcher of today: some have fallen prey to political correctness (filling kids with Angst about global warming, etc).  Others (like mine here in Columbus, Ohio) support Conservatism.

Yes, 40 years of wandering in the wilderness may await America right now: will it emerge purged and better than ever, or will it contain only a few pockets of sanity in a vast kulcheral and politicuckoo desert?

We were warned this would happen. 

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: CG6468 on November 11, 2012, 09:21:54 PM
I believe the home-schooling movement of the last 20 years is part of that, along with Fundamentalist Christians starting their own schools.

Most  but not all - Catholic schools can still be seen as against the kulcher of today: some have fallen prey to political correctness (filling kids with Angst about global warming, etc).  Others (like mine here in Columbus, Ohio) support Conservatism.

Yes, 40 years of wandering in the wilderness may await America right now: will it emerge purged and better than ever, or will it contain only a few pockets of sanity in a vast kulcheral and politicuckoo desert?

Only a few pockets of sanity, which will be eliminated because they'll be "offensive" to someone - anyone - somewhere.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: thundley4 on November 11, 2012, 09:29:05 PM
Only a few pockets of sanity, which will be eliminated because they'll be "offensive" to someone - anyone - somewhere.

But madrassas will be allowed to flourish and multiply.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: CG6468 on November 11, 2012, 09:32:26 PM
I was disgusted and remain so.  :rant:   :badmood:   :shrug:   :puke:
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Splashdown on November 12, 2012, 04:54:06 AM
This goes against what many on this site believe, but maybe we DO need conservative arts and science majors. Maybe a traditional conservative history teacher or two might not be such a bad idea.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: txradioguy on November 12, 2012, 05:14:01 AM
This goes against what many on this site believe, but maybe we DO need conservative arts and science majors. Maybe a traditional conservative history teacher or two might not be such a bad idea.

I agree. 

Need more places like Hillsdale College.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Karin on November 12, 2012, 12:21:49 PM
I don't think anyone would disagree with you, Splashdown. 

I get a little nervous when I hear people say, "let them do whatever they want from here on out.  Then they have to own it."  They can do a great deal of harm with simply no check.  Look at what BantheGOP wants to do in CA.  And, attaching blame is very, very tricky and may not work.  Let's not get too simplistic.

Now, Bill Kristol said something that someone on radio mentioned.  That upper tax rate...all the Republicans seem to be doing is defending democrats.  The uber-wealthy are all democrats, after all.  Set the number at say, $500K, and let them have it. 
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: BlueStateSaint on November 14, 2012, 05:33:00 AM
Now, Bill Kristol said something that someone on radio mentioned.  That upper tax rate...all the Republicans seem to be doing is defending democrats.  The uber-wealthy are all democrats, after all.  Set the number at say, $500K, and let them have it. 

The Hollywood DUchebags would find a way (or ways) around that.  Bet on it.
Title: Re: Starting to feel better about the election results- might be a good thing
Post by: Rebel on November 14, 2012, 09:47:19 AM

The ONE problem I have with this is gutting the military. What would prevent someone from coming over and taking us completely over, thus not giving us any chance of getting the Republic back?

Think Afghanistan for the Russians or Vietnam for the Americans was costly? Multiply that exponentially.