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Title: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: GOP Congress on November 08, 2012, 08:39:05 PM
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Original Post by BanTheGOP

Remember when you were a teen, and your parents went away for a weekend? And you had a nice, huge house just ITCHING to be partied in? So you got the beer and the condoms and the tunes and just invited your friends and foes alike to your house to just party with NO parental guidance, with the sky's the limit?

Looks like ol' Ban's folks took off, and he's got his groove thang going. Let's take a peek...


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OP. BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:22 pm)
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What should a California Supermajority do?

What should a California Supermajority do?

To clarify the issue, if the Democrats vote as a bloc, they can do the following (which they can't do with a simple majority):

1. Raise revenue

2. Create Constitutional Amendments that can be voted on by the people in the next (or special) election.

3. Override a governor's veto

They have at least a one or two-member cushion in each chamber, so a lone wolf could not gum up the works without a partner or two.

Frankly, this is our opportunity to fundamentally transform the state to a robust, progressive state that is necessary for both our people and our planet to survive. This thread is meant to put out ideas that can be woven into actual bill items. I will make the contacts with EACH democratic office in the legislature.

As a minimum, the first thing the legislature should do is to kill the 1978 law, Proposition 13. Specifically, not to repeal the actual law, but to legislatively negate its effects, and tailor it so we can get our money back from the corporate loophole ingrates.

In addition, we need to look into penalizing companies leaving the state because they refuse to acquiesce to much-needed reforms, including adherence to Obamacare mandates and the new environmental standards that kick in next spring.

So let's create a list, filter it, massage it, then I'll communicate with each democratic member's office and push it.

Raise "revenue?" You mean enact the hugest tax increases in state history, on TOP of theone they just passed! And constitutional amendments? Forget the beer...this ****er is into some serious shit here!

But I do have to admit...he's in on the secret about where the money is coming from in the first place, going after the businesses before he leaves. Even THAT'S against the US constitution, last I heard, via the Interstate Compact, but I digress...he's just getting into the party...


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1. jberryhill (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:22 pm)
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Govern

That state has rendered itself virtually ungovernable without a supermajority.

Yeah, right... like you did from 2008 to 2010 and started the slide down the sliperry slope

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2. codjh9 (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:23 pm)
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Deport the remaining Republicans!

Yes... please deport me! Tahiti please... along with my severance package ...

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3. abelenkpe (Moocher) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:25 pm)
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Pass single payer

Son...Obamacare is LAW, haven't ya heard? Why pass something that's going to give the consumer more choice than the federal brand?

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4. SoCalNative (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:28 pm)
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Exactly

Same thing.

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5. villager (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:30 pm)
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exactly exactly!

Healthcare, and even more visionary climate change response

"Visionary" climate change = no oil, no gas, no coal, no nukes, no shit...whoops, I mean plenty of horseshit when we go back to horse and buggy...

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9. SDjack (Moocher) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:38 pm)
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Make ObamaCare so good that Rethugs can't rip out its roots.  Then, for the next 40 years,

no goper can be elected without signing the pledge to do no harm to ObamaCare.  Congrats on your super majority.


"Sign Zee Pledge, old man!!"

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7. LonePirate (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:32 pm)
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A single payer health care system would benefit not only CA but the entire nation

It would serve as a model for other states and for the federal government as well.

They should also pass marriage equality again if the US Supreme Court overturns the ruling in the Prop 8 case.

Let's get this straight, dimbulb...OBAMACARE PASSED!! How can you have two single payer systems?

And correct me if I'm wrong, but how can you pass a law if the Supreme court says it's illegal? If we can do that, why can't Mississipi ban abortions? Oooops...


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6. mitchtv (Moocher) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:30 pm)
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remove commercial property from Prop 13 coverage

It's  time

Yep..can't have the EEEEE-vil business owners use the money to do selfish things...like stock, overhead, your salary, your social security...stuff like that...

Ban jumps back into this managerie...


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8. BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:36 pm)
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Change the meeting laws to shut out GOP input

As a supermajority, they can severely restrict the options the GOP has, including rejection of bills before consideration. They should also vote by a process called "partisan unanimity." This means that the votes are called by party, rather than alphabetically, with the caveat that once enough votes are cast that reaches a majority + 1, the voting STOPS at that point. This will allow the vote to be reported as a UNANIMOUS vote which allows us to control the message more. A supermajority can set the voting in committees to follow this process, which if used properly can make it harder for the GOP to explain themselves to their constituents.

"Partisan unanimity".... WTF, OVER! All show, no substance, just so the newsbites can get after the GOP members who don't even get to vote, let alone give any input.

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10. jenw2 (Moocher) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:45 pm)
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Higher corporate taxes to encourage companies to move to CA

or at least not move out of the state.  If the taxes were higher, the state could offer more benefits to having a business in the state.  The company I work for now moved out of the county into a city that had a 1.5% BO tax.  I hear my conservative boss and owner whine constantly about that tax, but they know damn well they get more back from it, or they wouldn't have moved here.  The proof is in the facts except for with their type.


"Conservative" boss?? Why do you work there, HE'S enslaving you for your wages so he can go to Karl Rove's poker parties and laugh at your proletarian ass... YOU DUMMIE!! DON'T YOU KNOW THAT IF HE WERE A LIB, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN BE WORKING THERE? <<sigh>>

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13. BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (6:27 pm)
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What Constitutional Amendments can they put on the ballot?

With the supermajority, they can put any measure on the ballot without the preapproval of thousands of signatures, and only require a simple majority of the population. What are some amendment requests do you have for California?

1. Affirmative Action amendment: Require every business, organization, and association to ethnic, racial, and gender-based categories for their ownership, management, and complete management, student, or employment base. Establish fines for not achieving compliance with formulas set by agencies appointed by a newly-formed Committee on Diversified Associations.

2. Maximum income + General worth tax amendment (Income $X, Assets $Y): Requires income amounts, dividend amounts, and a percentage of the amount of all global assets to be repatriated by the state. It's a two-part fee; first all income and dividends are added up to a single figure. If this figure comes out to over $X, then ALL amounts over X are owed the state, MINUS the federal taxes owed. Second, all assets (including the income and dividend return after taxes), such as worth of house, cars, etc., would be assessed; if they are over amount $Y, then the amount owed would be Assets minus $Y.

3. Reparations amendment: Separate from the Affirmative Action amendment, this amendment would acknowledge the debt owed to African Americans by the country. The amount would allow the state to precisely calculate the prorated amount of debt by non-African Americans that will be used to fund African-American projects, and African Americans whom can prove lineage to slaves can apply for special family funds.

More amendment ideas, please.

Oh, Go to hell Ban, my humor is wore out...
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Chris_ on November 08, 2012, 08:43:44 PM
The GOP has a supermajority in Tennessee as well.

Let's see which one they complain about first.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Carl on November 08, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
Why do they think the results of all their tyranny will be just what they want rather then the obvious opposite?
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Skul on November 08, 2012, 08:51:51 PM
I saw one of those parents away parties many years ago.
The house was trashed by the freeloaders.
Helped the kid try to clean up. (Structural damage was done)
Never went to another.
BtG is one of those freeloaders. What a DUmbass.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Ogre on November 08, 2012, 09:01:10 PM
The fascist is strong with this one, and the left wonders why we oppose them and their batshit crazy ideology. :thatsright:
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Big Dog on November 08, 2012, 09:02:31 PM
When Kansas' Legislature meets in January, we will have Republican supermajorities in both houses, a conservative Republican governor, and a Constitutionally-mandated deficit-free state budget. Our air is free of the smell of patchouli, and our wide open spaces are moonbat free (with the exception of a small infestation in Lawrence).

Life is good.

How close is California to bankruptcy again, DUmmy?
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Big Don on November 08, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
Well, Sparky, how long does it take to get used to the cold?
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: GOBUCKS on November 08, 2012, 09:15:31 PM
When Kansas' Legislature meets in January, we will have Republican supermajorities in both houses, a conservative Republican governor, and a Constitutionally-mandated deficit-free state budget. Our air is free of the smell of patchouli, and our wide open spaces are moonbat free (with the exception of a small infestation in Lawrence).
Uh, you still have Pam Dawson in Wichita, and Proud2BDUmb Anne Pritchett in KC.

It's pretty remarkable for a state as small as Kansas to afflict us with two consecutive Top DUmmies
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: jukin on November 08, 2012, 09:23:26 PM
Boeing has now shut down all manufacturing in kalifornia.

Thing is DUches, I give a good deal to my tenants based on Prop13. If all of a sudden my property taxes get jacked up 4-5 thousand that gets straight on passed to them. They already got a rent increase for the 4% Obamatax. A couple new assessments passed too. Those go straight through to the renters. Don't think that any of us will just say OK, I'll eat that tax increase and not pass it on.  I hate to do it but it will be done. I have good people that know I give a great value. Those people will lose that. I will have no problem renting at the new costs.

Someday you will understand that taxes and regulation costs get passed right down to the end user.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: USA4ME on November 08, 2012, 09:26:21 PM
All I can do is shake my head and laugh at someone that stupid.

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Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Big Dog on November 08, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
Uh, you still have Pam Dawson in Wichita, and Proud2BDUmb Anne Pritchett in KC.

It's pretty remarkable for a state as small as Kansas to afflict us with two consecutive Top DUmmies

It's kinda like Lion Country Safari. You don't really expect to find African lions in North America, yet there they are.

Last time I was in Wichita, I found Pam Dawson lying on the hood of my truck when I came out of the cigar shop. I pointed off in the distance and shouted, "Look over there, It's Peter Cetera (http://chicagotheband.us/profile/PamDawson)!" She rolled off the hood and schlepped off in the direction I had pointed, frantically huffing the trumpet riff from 25 or 6 to 4.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Ballygrl on November 08, 2012, 09:40:15 PM
How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: jukin on November 08, 2012, 09:42:49 PM
How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

The DREAM act kids studying Chicano Studies will add so much tax revenue, we won't know what to do with it.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: GOP Congress on November 08, 2012, 09:43:53 PM
How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

Read through the OP. Ban is suggesting that the idiots pass a law fining the businesses heavily if they try to move out of state.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: USA4ME on November 08, 2012, 09:43:58 PM
How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

Legalize and tax pot.

I say that tounge-in-cheek, but it is California, so one can never tell.

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Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Chris_ on November 08, 2012, 09:49:57 PM
Legalize and tax pot.

I say that tounge-in-cheek, but it is California, so one can never tell.

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(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/legalizepot.jpg)
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Big Dog on November 08, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

Directive 10-289 (http://conservapedia.com/Directive_10-289) is coming.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Ptarmigan on November 08, 2012, 10:48:59 PM
How will California raise revenue via taxes when businesses and the wealthy have already left and will continue to leave California?

Shooting themselves in the feet.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Zathras on November 09, 2012, 12:13:34 AM
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10. jenw2

Higher corporate taxes to encourage companies to move to CA

:wtf2:

In what world would any sane business person come to California if they have to pay a HIGHER tax rate than other places in the country....or for that matter stay there if they're already here?
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on November 09, 2012, 02:08:00 AM
They speak of "the will of the people" but want to do away with a proposition passed by referendum.

They can't live up to their own ideals for the space of a single internet post.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: BlueStateSaint on November 09, 2012, 04:37:33 AM
:wtf2:

In what world would any sane business person come to California if they have to pay a HIGHER tax rate than other places in the country....or for that matter stay there if they're already here?

Exactly what I was thinking.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: JohnnyReb on November 09, 2012, 04:43:59 AM
Why does the DUmmie want to go to all that trouble when he can just move to North Korea now.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Wineslob on November 09, 2012, 09:44:57 AM
Again, just when I think they can't get any DUmber.....................  :hammer:




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As a minimum, the first thing the legislature should do is to kill the 1978 law, Proposition 13. Specifically, not to repeal the actual law, but to legislatively negate its effects, and tailor it so we can get our money back from the corporate loophole ingrates.

In addition, we need to look into penalizing companies leaving the state because they refuse to acquiesce to much-needed reforms, including adherence to Obamacare mandates and the new environmental standards that kick in next spring.

As a home owner, prop 13 saves me tons of money from leeches like you.


Ah yes, comrade, we MUST adhere.

How about we ban you, you stupid, fume sucking piece of dog shit. :hammer:

Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Carl on November 09, 2012, 09:54:15 AM
Gosh they almost sound like people that would build a wall in the middle of a city to keep people from leaving.
Now who would do such a thing?
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Rebel on November 09, 2012, 09:57:17 AM
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10. jenw2- Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:45 pm)


Higher corporate taxes to encourage companies to move to CA

or at least not move out of the state.  If the taxes were higher, the state could offer more benefits to having a business in the state.  The company I work for now moved out of the county into a city that had a 1.5% BO tax.  I hear my conservative boss and owner whine constantly about that tax, but they know damn well they get more back from it, or they wouldn't have moved here.  The proof is in the facts except for with their type.


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Karin on November 09, 2012, 10:22:10 AM
I think the one thing that gets BTG's goat more than anything, is the fact of businesses moving out of CA.  He can't control that, and can't quite figure out what to do about it; except rail and bellow like a little tyrant.  Punish!!  Don't these vermin read what they write?   :bird:
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: GOP Congress on November 09, 2012, 10:29:33 AM
For someone who has less than 1,000 posts, he sure has been visible the past few years, hasn't he.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Skul on November 09, 2012, 10:55:28 AM
For someone who has less than 1,000 posts, he sure has been visible the past few years, hasn't he.
DOTY run?  :whistling:
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: ScubaGuy on November 09, 2012, 11:25:37 AM
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In addition, we need to look into penalizing companies leaving the state because they refuse to acquiesce to much-needed reforms, including adherence to Obamacare mandates and the new environmental standards that kick in next spring.

That will do so much for attracting new companies.  Change the name from California to Venezuela.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: ScubaGuy on November 09, 2012, 11:40:23 AM
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2. Maximum income + General worth tax amendment (Income $X, Assets $Y): Requires income amounts, dividend amounts, and a percentage of the amount of all global assets to be repatriated by the state. It's a two-part fee; first all income and dividends are added up to a single figure. If this figure comes out to over $X, then ALL amounts over X are owed the state, MINUS the federal taxes owed. Second, all assets (including the income and dividend return after taxes), such as worth of house, cars, etc., would be assessed; if they are over amount $Y, then the amount owed would be Assets minus $Y.

Higher taxes and limit how much a company can make!  What a winning combination  :lmao:
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: WinOne4TheGipper on November 09, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
They speak of "the will of the people" but want to do away with a proposition passed by referendum.

They can't live up to their own ideals for the space of a single internet post.

Remember, anything that happens which goes against their definition of "the will of the people" occurred because of fraud.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: GOP Congress on November 09, 2012, 11:58:06 AM
Directive 10-289 (http://conservapedia.com/Directive_10-289) is coming.

Seen in another thread about bitching about companies losing jobs: http://www.democraticunderground.com/111625411#post7

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Talking is cheap, and Obama MUST come up with something so we can start moving forward. He needs to come up with an order that restricts companies from laying off people. If necessary, we need to ensure that the company management come up with rules to ensure that the employees do not get hosed. We can actually appropriate company assets and copyrights to broker the payments until we can get them retrained for green jobs.

That is only part of it, we should be looking into creating a Secretary of Business to enforce these directives and to enhancing them, ensuring that new development is appropriated by the government and utilized for Green energy production, with profits going to the workers, not the owners or stockholders.

Uncanny. "Secretary of Business" and Directive 10-289's "Unification Board" sound so similar.

Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: jukin on November 09, 2012, 12:04:07 PM
Green Jobs = Hard Labor in the Fields.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Wineslob on November 09, 2012, 12:11:48 PM
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Talking is cheap, and Obama MUST come up with something so we can start moving forward. He needs to come up with an order that restricts companies from laying off people. If necessary, we need to ensure that the company management come up with rules to ensure that the employees do not get hosed. We can actually appropriate company assets and copyrights to broker the payments until we can get them retrained for green jobs

Do that, but when the company goes belly up..................God these people are stupid.

Die in a ****ing fire, idiot who has probably never held a job.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Ptarmigan on November 09, 2012, 12:19:15 PM
Do that, but when the company goes belly up..................God these people are stupid.

Die in a ****ing fire, idiot who has probably never held a job.

My Stupidometer every time it happens and I cannot afford constantly getting new ones.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Ptarmigan on November 09, 2012, 12:24:59 PM
For someone who has less than 1,000 posts, he sure has been visible the past few years, hasn't he.

Potential DUmmie of the year for 2012?  :lmao:

Ban the GOP was here recently and posted twice.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2146
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Karin on November 09, 2012, 01:10:36 PM
I really wish more people out there could see that thread.  It's pure tyranny, and people should see just what the democrats are all about these days.  I hesitate to row over, because I'm already sick. 
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Wineslob on November 09, 2012, 01:27:30 PM
I really wish more people out there could see that thread.  It's pure tyranny, and people should see just what the democrats are all about these days.  I hesitate to row over, because I'm already sick. 

It used to be that the DUmp was a microcosm, now it represents the macrocosm.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: wasp69 on November 09, 2012, 01:36:09 PM
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BanTheGOP (Star Member) - Thu Nov 8, 2012 (3:22 pm)
Original Post - Post Count: 886

In addition, we need to look into penalizing companies leaving the state because they refuse to acquiesce to much-needed reforms, including adherence to Obamacare mandates and the new environmental standards that kick in next spring.

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Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect, but we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in, to prevent them from leaving us.

President John F. Kennedy - June 26, 1963

Suck on that, collectivist shitbag.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on November 09, 2012, 02:19:41 PM
Even aside from the obvious Constitutional problem with taxing people for exercising their freedom of movement (Or creating an interstate tariff, a similarly-banned concept), there are several ways for businesses to avoid this, the most obvious being to just dissolve and liquidate your corporation by selling its assets to a separate unaffiliated corporation you have set up in a friendlier state.  If your business is not already a corporation, then incorporating it first would be a wise preliminary step toward this path.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Karin on November 09, 2012, 02:33:18 PM
Of course, DAT, and they're too stupid to know this.  This is an insurmountable hurdle for Ban, that he can't control all people and all entities.  It drives him nuts.  I hope it drives him to suicide.

The thread died this morning, with some dude with 18 posts.  He wants everyone's real names. 

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Identifying who we are rather some secret anonymous group would also give us more credibility. I would be interested in knowing who you are and others who are interested in this project, which is a great idea, but overwhelming. It may be helpful to work offline.


Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Randy on November 09, 2012, 03:08:18 PM
Hey look on the bright side folks. As soon as obamacare is totally running the first time ole Ban gets a cold the Death Panel will use his DU posts to decide Ban is to effin stupid to live.  :loser:
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Ptarmigan on November 09, 2012, 03:10:58 PM
Of course, DAT, and they're too stupid to know this.  This is an insurmountable hurdle for Ban, that he can't control all people and all entities.  It drives him nuts.  I hope it drives him to suicide.

The thread died this morning, with some dude with 18 posts.  He wants everyone's real names. 



They are stuck with stupid and I cannot get them out of the stupid gear.
Title: Re: Ban the GOP is hot to trot on California's Super majority
Post by: Skul on November 09, 2012, 03:19:10 PM
Of course, DAT, and they're too stupid to know this.  This is an insurmountable hurdle for Ban, that he can't control all people and all entities.  It drives him nuts.  I hope it drives him to suicide.

The thread died this morning, with some dude with 18 posts.  He wants everyone's real names
First they take your names, then they take your guns, then they take you.
Primitives forget history.