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Read it (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/331865/obamas-big-reason-going-small-stanley-kurtz) and weep.
ETA: but at least now the game's afoot. No more need to be nice about it. Time for all of us to get wise... Quick !!
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I have the very real impression, based largely on what happened in Benghazi, that Barry's antics have finally woken the sleeping giant of Dec. 7, 1941 fame.
Barry, you and your sycophants are going down. Pack your shit and GTFO of my White House. And take the Wookie with you.
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What Obama and the rest of the "Democrats who post on DemocraticUnderground.com" crowd doesn't realize is that the majority of Americans are SMART, good, decent, civilized people.
The Obama crowd see things from a East and West coast perspective (read: LA and New York).
There's a whole gaggle of people in a lot of states that still believe in God, guns, personal responsibility, and individual freedoms.
In the past, we were asleep. We thought things were bad, but things would get better. Just let the leaders do what they were elected to do. But now, we're awake. We have seen what is happening in the world, what is happening in the U.S., and we have decided that 4 years down this road is enough.
2010 was just the start. 2012 is the culmination of what the TEA Party started.
We are standing up and saying, "Don't Tread On Me".
Our voices are being heard. But the real work for all of us starts January 21, 2013.
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I watched the Brett Bair time line investigation on Benghazi last night. I think it was Panetta talking about rescuing Americans who said; "we can't take the chance of hitting civilians in Benghazi".
So bottom line, it is more important to protect the Muslims than save American lives.
WOW.
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<I'll get this danged post right yet!!>
Welcome everybody.
Hey Eupher,
Thought we'd find one another somewhere along the way here. And hello to Jason and JP (and anyone else who happens to join us between now and the time I actually post this thing),
Eupher, from your lips to G_ds ear, my friend. But this jackal has more cards to play.
Not to digress but, there's something that Jason & JP are sorta touching on that's all inter-related.
Jason, your comment about...
"There's a whole gaggle of people in a lot of states that still believe in God, guns, personal responsibility, and individual freedoms. "
...is exactly right but Obama is working right now to circumvent that part of the electorate and it's possible he could pull it off.
Dr. Kurtz' latest article provides a glimpse at the left's current strategy to bypass us troublesome citizens and form a majority leftist coalition which would allow, not only Obama's reelection, but also fulfill the Left's ultimate wet-dream: governing as they wish without any viable interference from the other half of those pesky voters: eh, that's. US!!
That is to say, if Obama's political gambit here is successful, he won't need our votes, not now, not ever.
I trust Dr. Kurtz as a scholar of impeccable credential and character. I've been following him at least since his increasingly alarming columns about Obama leading up to the '08 Election and thereafter up to this day. When he speaks, writes a blog post, makes a speech, or writes another book, I listen, I read it. I would attend if I could.
These people are our mortal enemies. They mean us no good. We see what they were able to accomplish unimpeded in Obama's first 2 years in office. Imagine where we'll be after another 4 years. In fact, I question whether we'd even survive another 4 years.
I'm sick thinking about this but we cannot be deterred.
The great English moralist and poet Dr. Samuel Johnson wrote "The prospect of hanging concentrates the mind wonderfully."
JP? Same message. The game is afoot. We're in a civil war. We'd better WakeTF UP and begin better arming ourselves before we lose everything we have.
Just sayin.
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<I'll get this danged post right yet!!>
Welcome everybody.
Hey Eupher,
Thought we'd find one another somewhere along the way here. And hello to Jason and JP (and anyone else who happens to join us between now and the time I actually post this thing),
Eupher, from your lips to G_ds ear, my friend. But this jackal has more cards to play.
Not to digress but, there's something that Jason & JP are sorta touching on that's all inter-related.
Jason, your comment about......is exactly right but Obama is working right now to circumvent that part of the electorate and it's possible he could pull it off.
Dr. Kurtz' latest article provides a glimpse at the left's current strategy to bypass us troublesome citizens and form a majority leftist coalition which would allow, not only Obama's reelection, but also fulfill the Left's ultimate wet-dream: governing as they wish without any viable interference from the other half of those pesky voters: eh, that's. US!!
That is to say, if Obama's political gambit here is successful, he won't need our votes, not now, not ever.
I trust Dr. Kurtz as a scholar of impeccable credential and character. I've been following him at least since his increasingly alarming columns about Obama leading up to the '08 Election and thereafter up to this day. When he speaks, writes a blog post, makes a speech, or writes another book, I listen, I read it. I would attend if I could.
These people are our mortal enemies. They mean us no good. We see what they were able to accomplish unimpeded in Obama's first 2 years in office. Imagine where we'll be after another 4 years. In fact, I question whether we'd even survive another 4 years.
I'm sick thinking about this but we cannot be deterred.
The great English moralist and poet Dr. Samuel Johnson wrote "The prospect of hanging concentrates the mind wonderfully."
JP? Same message. The game is afoot. We're in a civil war. We'd better WakeTF UP and begin better arming ourselves before we lose everything we have.
Just sayin.
^5 great post
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^5 great post
<G_d, I know this is gonna read so NUTS in the morning>
Thank you. That's kind of you. And I sincerely hope that you and your other compadres here will pass along the discussion. Start new discussions, everywhere.
The more we, all of us, talk about this the more powerful will be our weapons and defense. So speak up in your other threads. Start the discussion amongst your other compadres.
Yeah, ok, so I sound a little idk alarmist. Well, an alarmist, I am then <and talking like Yoda, I am... then... again> but I don't think unduly so and I am certainly in earnest. We are in graver danger than any of us realize. Even now I cannot fully comprehend it.
And, just for the record, I am as sane as sane can be. And I'm also scared almost to the point of inaction, like a deer must feel when, in a split second, it freezes in utter panic right up until the terror strikes and snuffs out its life.
Please. I want this to be a nightmare, not a reality. I have a beautiful life, a wife I adore and who adores me, five beautiful children, a grandchild, and sundry critters that depend on me everyday ... as I do them. I don't want the ride to be over. But, at the same time, I don't want to have to contemplate fighting for my life.
I'm American, dang it, not some Hungarian or Polack or Romanian or any of those other pitiful places where THOSE people live. </drippingSarcasm>
No, I'm an American and I won the lottery of life by being born here in the United States. And this is the way it'll always be. Besides, isn't THIS one of those jobs Americans won't do? Yeah, it's a job we outsource to a brave and honorable few and relieve our consciences every quadrennium by voting for "our guy."
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I'm sorry. I don't mean to lecture. It's just really hard when you're still feeling like that deer-in-the-headlights, even when you know that when the light arrives, you'll be dead.
And still, I procrastinate. Because I'm just plain scared.
We shouldn't condemn Obama or his ilk. Lie, cheat, steal, murder, covet, bear false witness, (no, I'm not a religious fanatic. It's just generally the basis of most of our lives), at least he's being true to his convictions, warped as they may be. What can we say for ourselves, we who may have the dubious distinction of being the last generation for the next idk ?1,000 years? ?2,000? until humans will have clawed their way back up to where we stand today. Does that last sentence make sense? It's late and I'm tired now.
We say, ENOUGH!
Yes, Governor Romney. It is time for big change, indeed.
Maybe bigger than that, my friends. I just realized...
THEY CAN READ THIS.
Which means the longer we wait, the greater danger that we and our families may be in. There's really no time to lose.
Call this all a real funny hoax later,; later when you can have an absolute blast in telling your enthralled friends all about PsychoBlogger, or whatever more wistful appellation your heart desires but humor yourselves s little and let's have some fun.
Whadayasay, we each contact, say, three different friends <and you all know who you are out there> and make them promise to go watch Mark Steyn's "Armageddon" speech at Saint SomethingOrOthers College in New Hampshire back in August 2011. And agree to get 3 of their respective friends to watch it, eyc, etc.
Whadayasay? Let's see how many people we can get to watch this thing before we crash YouTubes' servers?
You've got pretty-nearly everything to gain and only a little time to lose having a little goof in what might just turn out to be the biggest lottery of your lives. C'mon, add a little spunk into your lives or idk sumpin.
And who knows? The life you save just might be your own.
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I'm not familiar with Dr. Kurtz or his writing, so thanks for pointing him out, Mick.
That said, I recognize the evil that Obama represents - but I also understand and accept that Obama is merely the tool that the left is using to further ensconce this Nation into the socialist paradise that the Soros' and the Alinksy's of the world would prefer.
They simply chose poorly. They picked an empty suit who, at first glance to the uninitiated and the naive, appeared to be the second coming of Jesus Christ. They failed to understand that Barry is substanceless and without merit; he's made a career out of misrepresenting himself and it took this long for many, many Americans to "get it" about this tool.
What's that say about us Americans? Are we collectively so stupid as to believe that this one jugeared fool can, through government meddling, "fix" what's wrong in our nation? How could so many people be so ****ing wrong?
As a result of Obastard's election, I'm far more cynical and cautious about politicians than ever before -- and that includes Romney.
I simply can't escape the idea that those who seek power -- and Romney has made a career out of seeking power -- are fundamentally insane.
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The link in the OP is to National Review, so it's trustworthy.
Reading the article, don't you think that it sounds like wishful thinking on the part of Obama? Just govern from the hard left, and ignore the center and right? Count on winning elections through demographics? If I were running a campaign, I would not be convinced of this strategy.
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The link in the OP is to National Review, so it's trustworthy.
Reading the article, don't you think that it sounds like wishful thinking on the part of Obama? Just govern from the hard left, and ignore the center and right? Count on winning elections through demographics? If I were running a campaign, I would not be convinced of this strategy.
Me neither.
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I'm not familiar with Dr. Kurtz or his writing, so thanks for pointing him out, Mick.
That said, I recognize the evil that Obama represents - but I also understand and accept that Obama is merely the tool that the left is using to further ensconce this Nation into the socialist paradise that the Soros' and the Alinksy's of the world would prefer.
They simply chose poorly. They picked an empty suit who, at first glance to the uninitiated and the naive, appeared to be the second coming of Jesus Christ. They failed to understand that Barry is substanceless and without merit; he's made a career out of misrepresenting himself and it took this long for many, many Americans to "get it" about this tool.
What's that say about us Americans? Are we collectively so stupid as to believe that this one jugeared fool can, through government meddling, "fix" what's wrong in our nation? How could so many people be so ****ing wrong?
As a result of Obastard's election, I'm far more cynical and cautious about politicians than ever before -- and that includes Romney.
I simply can't escape the idea that those who seek power -- and Romney has made a career out of seeking power -- are fundamentally insane.
Hey Eupher,
Dr. Kurtz' most recent book, Radical-In-Chief (http://www.amazon.com/Radical-in-Chief-ebook/dp/B0042RUPPM/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1351609132&sr=1-1&keywords=Radical-in-Chief+by+stanley+kurtz) was an eye-opener and worth the read (only available currently in Kindle edition).
And before anything further, I've just noticed your USAB insignia. FWIW, please accept my humble thanks for your service. I never served, having just missed the draft by a few lottery numbers (but my eldest brother served 2 years active duty in Germany back in the early '60's). I would be remiss if I didn't pay homage to you and your Army brethren for your sacrifice and devotion. If it were appropriate, I would salute you, sir.
As for the rest, look, I don't blame you for your cynicism. Frankly, it's seems a righteous default position at this point. However, we shouldn't allow ourselves to lose sight of our goal which is the reestablishment of our republic. Therefore, we must use what we've currently got and that's Mitt Romney. To paraphrase former Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, you go to war with the army you have, not the one you wish you had. And we can't wait for the perfect candidate (we tried that last time and look where we are).
That said, yes, I am somewhat skeptical but...
- (A) Romney's the only game in town. We use what we've got and he's not a bad choice at all. Yes, he seeks higher office but that doesn't, ipso facto, render him less honorable for doing so. Ronald Reagan also pursued higher office so that fact cannot, by itself, automatically render someone's ambition as suspect. Yes, these people have great political talent. And, yes, most have driving ambition. And, yes, the system is currently designed to corrupt those who enter as soon as possible after election. It's the way of the world. But that only means that we must be more vigilant.
Milton Friedman, the great Nobel Laureate, said nearly 40 years ago "I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or if they try, they will shortly be out of office.†Just so.
- (B) we shouldn't allow our misgivings to morph into false choices. Romney may have to answer more questions, and be subject to greater scrutiny, because of our increased skepticism, but we shouldn't erect insurmountable obstacles to finding good (not perfect) candidates for elected office.
In the last election cycle especially, people were mesmerized by an Elmer Gantry charlatan. Too good to be true, people allowed themselves to be swayed, willingly suspending any disbelief, granting every benefit of the doubt. And so the Leftist media had a relatively easy time of it. Skeptical voices were marginalized ("racists"; "far-right wackos"; etc).
Not to digress but I recall back in 2008, in the run-up to the election, Dr. Kurtz was doing a WGN-Chicago radio interview and call-in show (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/168184/shouting-down-opposition-shannen-w-coffin). The Obama campaign used Stalinist tactics, employing their minions to call into the show, disrupt the interview and flow of information, and literally shouted down Kurtz and his host, Milt Rosenberg (there's audio available on the web if you're interested, I'm sure). But without a free and actively engaged press, they were able to get away with it, like so much else. The MSM kept it all quiet and, except for a few paying attention in the local markets and a few non-Leftist sites (NRO; HotAir, etc), the general public never knew about and, for the most part, still don't today.
But that only speaks to our deficiencies and how we've allowed the situation to deteriorate over the decades. Could a Republican candidate or officeholder get away with something like that? Not on your life. Have you noticed that the Left always goes into full battle mode over each such incident, treating each like their entire strategy and tactics depended upon exorcizing the offending party(ies) like they didn't exist. Very Stalinistic... just air-brushed out of existence like so many of the wretches that Stalin had put to death (but not until after a good show-trial, of course). And I see their point: their arguments and/or premises cannot stand up to scrutiny. So, what to do? Easy. There's an old legal aphorism that goes, "If you have the facts on your side, pound on the facts. And if you have the law on your side, pound on the law. And if you have neither on your side, pound on the table!"
The Left's positions require a lot of tables, a lot noise, and a lot of pounding... and all signifying NOTHING. They are not serious about the particular problem, per se, but only about maintaining power. Thus, everything's a crisis... until they've muddied the waters to the point that everyone's opinion becomes suspect. Result? People don't know who to believe... which is EXACTLY their purpose.
Once objective truth has been neutralized, it isn't terribly difficult to fill that void with whatever the opposition would like. No, not everyone is/would be convinced but that's ok: they only need enough to sway elections. And over time they have managed to peel-off enough votes to land us where we are now, at a nearly 50-50 standoff. PERFECT! Now to just get enough votes for a 50.1% majority, and so forth.
And so it goes. Elminate the scrutiny by subduing the scrutinizers. Shout them down; ridicule and impeach the messenger and, thereby, hope to defeat the message. And it's remarkably effective but only so long as our enemies can keep enough of the public in the dark, at any given moment about any given subject, so that there develops no hue and cry about these myriad injustices, and no compilation of incidents by which the general public can "connect the dots." So each incident is kept as quiet as possible because, if people were to ever know the truth, there would be no contest... and that's the point. The Left has been working for decades, even centuries now, to obscure their real beliefs and activities by whatever means necessary, clothing themselves in populist raiment and feigned outrage on purported behalf of the citizenry, to secure power and, surreptitiously, undermine the foundations of our society in favor of their delusional goals. Gramsci's "...march through the institutions," indeed!
Obama's latest move, so aptly described in the Kurtz article I initially referenced, is a different line of attack. Here he's trying to gain a majority without having to appeal to the rest of us.
- (C) we must never again allow ourselves to be bamboozled. Yes, I'm also talking to you, Christopher Buckley, Kathleen Parker, David Brooks, and the rest of you weak-kneed "House Conservatives." Some have allowed themselves to be coopted (anybody remember Kevin Phillips (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Phillips_(political_commentator))?) Some have conscientiously betrayed their "convictions" (as if they really had any) to become effective mouthpieces for the opposition). They carefully couch their pronouncements in soothing tones of moderation, voices of reasonableness amidst a cacophony of partisan bickering. But even if they're so inclined, they cannot write freely but are given only sufficient leeway in their reporting to establish the semblance of that coveted "independence." Anything too critical of the Left will adversely effect their coveted positions and we can't have that. No problem. That's what editors are for... to rework stories into a "more appropriate" form. We know the drill.
These people have no real conviction and so they must be discounted or ignored. These bums traded away much of their integrity (and our freedoms with it) for self-aggrandizement, accruing the benefits and acclaim (awards anyone?) from these Leftist jackals they can only achieve by betraying us, their fellow citizens. And what do they care anyway? They figure that their own families won't be the ones to suffer under the type of regime that they're helping to foist upon us. No, these are folks whose judgement (at the least) is no longer to be trusted. Consequently, I read them NOT. They have nothing to contribute except the other party's line which I already know well enough, thank you.
All of this is leading to my encouraging you NOT to be unnecessarily cynical, although, that said, I could easily fall into the same trap myself. Romney's our guy, so...
Job #1: get Romney elected.
Job #2: keep the pressure on all of these other Congressional shysters so they are forced to vote for the right things by making the wrong things too painful for them.
Job #3: we must take back the Senate. The Democrats' unconstitutional obstructionism will continue until they are removed from power. Period. If we do not take back the Senate, they will "perform" as they have the last 3 years... by sitting on their hands and/or actively obstructing the Legislative process..
If we can get that done this year, we have a shot at saving the situation. Otherwise, I fear not.
Sorry, this thing has become quite the tome. There's just so much to discuss but, right now, we need ACTION!
All the best to you and all.
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P.S.: and Karin, thanks very much for contributing. And, yes, I DID have a thing for Carolyn Jones' Morticia Addams, of course. LOL.
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Mick, forgive the snipping, but you said a lot.
Dr. Kurtz' most recent book, Radical-In-Chief (http://www.amazon.com/Radical-in-Chief-ebook/dp/B0042RUPPM/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1351609132&sr=1-1&keywords=Radical-in-Chief+by+stanley+kurtz) was an eye-opener and worth the read (only available currently in Kindle edition).
I'll take a look at that. I have a Kindle, though I can't currently get Mrs. E to surrender the damned thing as she's reading something on it right now.
Please don't mistake my cynicism for lack of making the only coherent choice there is - that being Romney. He was not my favored candy-date, but as you say, he's the one we have. Okay, Mitt, time to put the ******* hair goop down and get in the trenches because there's a shitload of work to do just to undo what Obastard did.
Milton Friedman, the great Nobel Laureate, said nearly 40 years ago "I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or if they try, they will shortly be out of office.†Just so.
Yeah, I know about Uncle Miltie and he's on point with this comment. Bottom line is, it's not so important WHO is in office as long as the office holder creates an atmosphere of "political profitability" for not just the office holder but for the nation at large.
And this is where our garbage morals and our ethics, borne of things like Watergate and Travelgate and Monicagate and the Rose Law Firmgate and Vince Foster and even Bush's "No Child Left Behind" fiasco, have utterly failed us.
In the last election cycle especially, people were mesmerized by an Elmer Gantry charlatan.
Steel on target
Not to digress but I recall back in 2008, in the run-up to the election, Dr. Kurtz was doing a WGN-Chicago radio interview and call-in show (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/168184/shouting-down-opposition-shannen-w-coffin). The Obama campaign used Stalinist tactics, employing their minions to call into the show, disrupt the interview and flow of information, and literally shouted down Kurtz and his host, Milt Rosenberg.
I seem to remember Uncle Miltie lecturing an economics class when some young punk kid thought he'd query Miltie and in the process, got his ass handed to him. It was a delicious spectacle.
You know, there are a lot of people on the left and those even in the center who claim that the RIGHT is everything you're accusing the Left is doing. And these same "people" point toward the tea party and the entire "I'm fed up and I ain't gonna TAKE IT ANY MORE!!!" I don't agree with that, but it is something to contend with. At this stage of the political process, people are tired of the incessant, constant attack ads, tired of the lies and the finger-pointing, exhausted with the constant barrage of information we get.
We've all become outraged to the point that nobody listens any more. You've got Dingy Harry in the Senate who has his nose stuck so far up his own ass he whistles when he farts. To Ryan's credit in the VP debate, he took the moral high ground and allowed Plugs to reveal just how shrill he can get. And Plugs looked stupid in the process.
The Left's positions require a lot of tables, a lot noise, and a lot of pounding... and all signifying NOTHING. They are not serious about the particular problem, per se, but only about maintaining power.
All professional politicians, by definition, want to maintain power. That transcends political party and ideology. You can call them ambitious if you like -- I call 'em insane. Who in the name of God would want to live in or near that cesspool known as D.C.? You gotta have a screw loose....
You make a very impassioned plea to batten down the hatches, load the torpedo tubes, and go hunting for moonbats.
right now, we need ACTION!
What sort of "action" are you proposing, beyond making it painful for the RINOs and the conservative wannabes?
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Oh and, for the record, I don't think Obama's Left-only gambit will work. Not because the plan's not viable; to the contrary. I believe that the Obamites felt forced to embark on this "hail-mary" strategy before the plan was ripe due to the Libya fiasco (and what poetic justice it is!) and the consequential improvement in Romney's polls.
It is possible, but for these particular circumstances, that Obama would win this election (and he may yet). But now, in trouble and with very little ammo left, he has embarked on this strategy sooner than desired, having intended to introduce the plan quietly, more gradually, during a second term.
Call it dumb luck (I'll take what I can get), and let's thank our lucky stars, but let's not count on that kinda luck again. Not if we intend to survive anyway.
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Be well,
Mick
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Hi Eupher,
I will respond to your comments in due course as I'm able to gather my thoughts. In the interim, if one had to choose how to best get educated fast about our current national condition and prognosis, I would still say go watch Mark Steyn's "Armageddon" Armageddon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe29XRICMqE)
speech from 2011. Best presentation around on our current (and projected future) ills, FWIW. :wink:
And Thanks again for being a part of this discussion. Back to you soon.
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strike out the "FWIW" from above. This man is predicting our future with some specificity and accuracy if we stay on our present course.
So, what should be our marching orders right now? Simple. Make sure to vote in the upcoming election and vote with the most conservative candidate(s) that have a good chance of winning. First part's no good with the 2nd. Next, begin our educational process simultaneously by imploring your fellow conservatives, libertarians and any other reachable* person, to set aside an hour, find a nice comfortable spot with your computer or iPad or whatever, and watch Mark Steyn's speech. It will be one of the most important hours of your life and it behooves you to attend it. I implore everyone: there's little to be accomplished without people learning what they vitally need to know about their immediate future. If everyone would more clearly understand the problem, the vector of potential solutions will be that much more forthcoming.
And our only hope is each other.
Go now. Please. Watch the video or get a transcript or listen to the audio. Tell anyone that will listen to go watch. These are your friends. You don't have to explain if you fear they'll think you're nuts. Tell 'em that your working on sumpin and would like their opinion about the video, or, some such. Whatever it takes.
LOL. Tell 'em that there's this psycholoonie blogger that's blah blah blah and it would be a real goof to watch this video. Frankly, it doesn't matter how you get them there. Just get 'em there. Please.