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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on October 20, 2012, 06:29:03 AM
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cherokeeprogressive (13,503 posts)
Yeah, **** me but I don't think Big Bird, binders, or Romnesia will carry the election...
Ridicule and mockery aren't going to cut it, folks, they just aren't. Ridicule and mockery aren't good campaign strategies; they're ways to alienate those who haven't decided how they're going to vote yet. They're schoolyard strategies amounting to nothing more than a single day's talking point. Watching and listening for any misspoken word and parsing it to use against your opponent aren't going to swing an election when what people are aching to hear are solutions to the problems they've been facing for close to 8 years. ESPECIALLY when you can point to ways you've made their lives better in the last four years. Sooner or later people begin to wonder why you're talking about the opposition's single sentence gaffe rather then your own record.
When President Obama asks a crowd "Do you want me to save Big Bird?" like he did in Ohio on Oct 5th, he doesn't win any converts. Those in attendance were already committed to voting for him. The video goes around the world though. Big Bird isn't real. People know that. No new votes here.
President Obama needs to stand up and say "THIS IS WHAT I'VE DONE" and list his accomplishments. What romney said yesterday afternoon isn't going to last more than an hour or two. What President Obama says lasts longer because he's President.
We've been through Nugent, Bain, Dancing Horses, Offshore Accounts, Big Bird, and Binders. We've danced in the metaphoric streets thinking each and every one of those things were going to SINK his candidacy in short order. Now the Powers That Be have President Obama using the word romnesia and we're thinking THIS IS THE NEW BEST THING. It ain't. Romnesia says nothing about President Obama's 4 year record; it's just more mockery and ridicule.
Someone needs to point this out to President's team. It ain't working, and the harder they work to focus this election on ridiculing their opponent only seems to send the pre-election polls in the wrong direction.
Close but no cigar.
If Obama had a record he wouldn't need to run on all the distractions.
But you knew that.
Still, it was insightful, clear-headed and truthful so...
...it will be rejected out of hand:
The Velveteen Ocelot (32,790 posts)
3. Au contraire, mon ami. Ridicule and mockery are extremely effective
because that's what the comedians, the cartoonists, the late-night guys like Letterman and Leno, and SNL and The Daily Show pick up on. That's how the message gets to the low-information voters who don't give a crap about abstract policy. If the sense in the popular media is that Romney deserves mockery and ridicule, it works. Remember what happened to Al Gore?
cherokeeprogressive (13,503 posts)
14. I'm up to go to work at 5 a.m. I'm in bed at 9 p.m. I don't see Letterman or Leno. SNL lost its
attraction for me almost two decades ago. The Daily Show? That's Jon Stewart's show, right? Haven't seen it other than clips shown in other shows. I'm a staunch Democrat, and haven't seen a minute of Maddow's show, Sharpton's show, Tingles' show, Ed's show, or Hartmann's show. I don't bother myself with political punditry on TV. I'd rather watch sports or documentaries.
If this is how you think the "message" gets to the "low information" voters, you're sadly mistaken.
What do I remember about Al Gore... Hmmmmm... I remember he LOST.
Turborama (16,456 posts)
63. It's way past your bed time. n/t
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021585672
Lots of people saying everyone they know (read: people they haven't de-friended on FB for not worshipping Obama) hates Rmoney.
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They love the phrase "low information voter". They just haven't figured out that it describes them perfectly.
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They love the phrase "low information voter". They just haven't figured out that it describes them perfectly.
Is that their new favorite term? I figured that they must have a new favorite because I haven't been seeing "dog whistle" as much.
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CP has such great lucid moments...for a Democrat.
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Lots of people saying everyone they know (read: people they haven't de-friended on FB for not worshipping Obama) hates Rmoney.
Hmmmm....where have I heard that before? Hmmmmm........
Liberal media chattering circles, 1980: "Nobody I know voted for Reagan".
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Good job CP, and I do so hope that O takes your advice and stands up to say "This is my record".
Not that it'll get him more votes either way, but it would be nice to have him lay off the mockery and ridicule.
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They love the phrase "low information voter". They just haven't figured out that it describes them perfectly.
Right.
And by the way, what's up with this?
.....the problems they've been facing for close to 8 years.
The past eight years?
How about the past six years, since Harry and Bela took over Congress?
That's when things started going badly, about January 3, 2007.
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Is that their new favorite term? I figured that they must have a new favorite because I haven't been seeing "dog whistle" as much.
Dog whistle lost its allure with the members of the Democrat Party that post at DemocratUnderground.com, because it was pointed out that only they could hear them.
The new term/phrase, is supposed to apply to anyone that doesn't vote in lockstep with them.
It too, will be another look in the mirror moment.
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I'm a staunch Democrat
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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ESPECIALLY when you can point to ways you've made their lives better in the last four years
Please to name any on those ways.
Is it the 35% drop in family net worth?
Maybe the $5000 drop in family income?
I know it is the 240% rise in gas prices?
All right not getting anywhere.
How about the almost doubling of flour, bacon, hamburger, sugar, corn,beans, rice, and every other food staple?
Must be the $20,000+ in new federal debt per each and every American citizen?
I got it, the 80% average increase in electricity prices?
No...mmmm...let's see....
I got it!!! Our health care insurance was promised to go down by $2500 but went up $2500?
Perhaps it's the little things like no more free checking or that merchants will now charge you for using credit and debit cards?
Obama has not been idle, he has done much and I too think that he should be touting his accomplishments and not coming up with juvenile taunts in a very serious time for our country.
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The Velveteen Ocelot (32,790 posts)
3. Au contraire, mon ami. Ridicule and mockery are extremely effective
because that's what the comedians, the cartoonists, the late-night guys like Letterman and Leno, and SNL and The Daily Show pick up on. That's how the message gets to the low-information voters who don't give a crap about abstract policy. If the sense in the popular media is that Romney deserves mockery and ridicule, it works. Remember what happened to Al Gore?
Comedians should be the ones coming up with their funny stuff ... not the president. That's not his job. His job is to be all presidenty and stuff and tell us what he intends to do and what he has done. None of that has been forthcoming from your guy.
Secondly, I'm going to be shocked if the Jon Stewart bots don't kick your ass off the island. You just insulted 75% of DU. They think he's a real journalist giving them the "crunchy news."
KC
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Au contraire, mon ami. Ridicule and mockery are extremely effective
because that's what the comedians, the cartoonists, the late-night guys like Letterman and Leno, and SNL and The Daily Show pick up on. That's how the message gets to the low-information voters who don't give a crap about abstract policy.
Another admission that low information voters vote democrat.
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cherokeeprogressive (13,503 posts)
President Obama needs to stand up and say "THIS IS WHAT I'VE DONE" and list his accomplishments. What romney said yesterday afternoon isn't going to last more than an hour or two. What President Obama says lasts longer because he's President.
I would love to see Obumbles do this. Please give Romney even more ammo beat the Empty Suit on Nov 6.
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The Velveteen Ocelot (32,790 posts)
3. Au contraire, mon ami. Ridicule and mockery are extremely effective
because that's what the comedians, the cartoonists, the late-night guys like Letterman and Leno, and SNL and The Daily Show pick up on. That's how the message gets to the low-information voters who don't give a crap about abstract policy. If the sense in the popular media is that Romney deserves mockery and ridicule, it works. Remember what happened to Al Gore?
Yeah, and what do all of those people have in common? They're jokers. It's their job to tell jokes, not defend policy positions. When Obama does it, he comes across like the high school nerd at a party telling lame jokes to try to be popular. I don't want a Joker-In-Chief with his hand on the red button, and neither do sane Americans.
Ronald Reagan could pull it off because he had gravitas. That, and a grandfatherly demeanor along with a self-deprecating sense of humor that made his jokes about others softer and less mean-spirited. He could pull it off because you knew he was telling it to the entire country. He could pull it off because you knew that behind the joke was an adult with a steel resolve who took his responsibilities to the nation seriously. Obama, not so much. You get the feeling he's using the joke to escape the responsibility.
As far as "low-information voters" go, DUmmies have plenty of information. They're practically swimming in it. The problem is, this "information" comes from bloggers operating out of their basements, who in turn get their information from other, equally clueless bloggers who heard it from some Left wing propagandist who has no more access to information than the average citizen, and 'round and 'round she goes. Meme becomes fact. Conspiracy theory and conjecture becomes truth. One-liners from a moonbat message board become holy writ.
I'd say at least ninety-percent of Lefties I've caught outside of their echo chambers online and argued with come armed with only one or two tired talking points, and after those are expended, they're out of ammunition. It either devolves into a circular argument on their part, they go to the ad hominem (Y-y-you just don't care about poor people!), or one of their buddies show up, throws out a locker room quip, and they collapse into virtual giggles and high fives. That's why they don't let conservatives post in places like DU or Think Progress and it's why liberal talk radio doesn't fare well. They're "information" just doesn't stand up to analyses and they hate being exposed as the frauds they are.
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I wonder if there is a word in Cherokee that has a similar meaning to the word 'pizza'..... I'd send Elizabeth Warren an EMail and ask her, but I'm certain she doesn't know either.
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I wonder if there is a word in Cherokee that has a similar meaning to the word 'pizza'..... I'd send Elizabeth Warren an EMail and ask her, but I'm certain she doesn't know either.
Well, now, don't be too sure, she may have a plagiarized tribal recipe for it.
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cherokeeprogressive (13,503 posts)
Yeah, **** me but I don't think Big Bird, binders, or Romnesia will carry the election...
F*** you indeed...because when reality sets in Benghazi big deficits and Obama-rhoids like you will lose the election.
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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Original post)Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:40 AM
Viking12 (5,584 posts)
57. Please proceed....
concern duly noted
Maybe if Barack Milhous hadn't spent his term going on vacations and playing golf and basketball and had instead done the job that he was elected to do he wouldn't be in the tight spot that he finds himself in. Although in his first year he did ram through his Obamacare Tax, too bad it was something that most of the country is dead set against. Skipping the majority of his daily intelligence briefings. Skipping one the day after a terrorist attack--or a spontaneous protest for you lurking DUmmies--just so he could jet set off to Las Vegas for another fundraiser. Fast and Furious. Chronic unemployment that has hundreds of thousands of Americans taking a What's the use? attitude and giving up on looking for a job in the Obama Economy. On election day Obama is going to get just what he has coming--his walking papers.
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cherokeeprogressive (13,503 posts)
Yeah, **** me but I don't think Big Bird, binders, or Romnesia will carry the election...
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