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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: Revolution on October 18, 2012, 02:13:55 PM
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(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2012/10/17/Others/Images/2012-10-17/OBAMA%20981350517690.JPG)
President Obama is prepared to veto legislation to block year-end tax hikes and spending cuts, collectively known as the “fiscal cliff,†unless Republicans bow to his demand to raise tax rates for the wealthy, administration officials said.
Freed from the political and economic constraints that have tied his hands in the past, Obama is ready to play hardball with Republicans, who have so far successfully resisted a deal to tame the debt that includes higher taxes, Obama’s allies say.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/officials-obama-ready-to-veto-a-bill-blocking-fiscal-cliff-without-tax-hike-for-rich/2012/10/17/64400224-1870-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_story.html
That image right there is the face of absolute evil! He knows what this is going to do. He knows he, and his bitch are on the way out, and he knows the MSM is going to dump all of this excessive spening, taxation, etc on the Republicans. Bush will never stop being the recipient, but Romney is next. This SOB can't leave office soon enough. He's not only blackmailing the ones on Capital Hill. He's blackmailing the COUNTRY!! :mad: "My way, or the highway" mentality at it's absolute WORST!
This man wasn't kidding when he said he was going to put it in "D." And as the 6th approaches, I think it's only going to get worse. Imagine that! The abuses of power, the shenanigans, the absolute refusal to care on things like Bengahzi, and F&F, and now this!! Jesus...
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Can't the new congress pass another law retroactively?
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Can't the new congress pass another law retroactively?
Congress has been adopting retroactive tax increases for a very long time, essentially since the 1930s. The 1913 Revenue Act was the first one with an effective date before the date of the actual enactment. Generally, the increased tax rate is applied retroactively to the year in which it is enacted. But in 1918 and 1926, each of the Revenue Acts was applied to the entire calendar year that had preceded enactment. As early as 1935, one commentator pronounced restrictions on retroactive taxation to be "dead."
These laws were bad in their own right. They were also bad because they paved the way for the retroactive imposition of many other forms of liability. Since the 1930s, the courts have tolerated such retroactive legislation. The Supreme Court has narrowly construed most of the traditional constitutional protections against retroactive laws. Many Americans mistakenly believe that retroactive legislation is barred by the ex post facto clauses, which apply to both Congress and state legislatures. Since at least the early part of the 1800s, though, the ex post facto clauses have been interpreted as applying to criminal laws only. (http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/retroactive-tax-increases-and-the-constitution)
I don't see any issue with using the existing precedents.
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One stands out as not only his biggest broken promise, but as an explanation for many others that have fizzled or failed: his pledge to bring people together for a bipartisan agenda.
I'm sure if he got another chance Obama would make good on his previous promise. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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Can't the new congress pass another law retroactively?
The new congress and President Romney could pass a law undoing the Obama tax increase, and could pass a law that would lower the tax rate of 2012 retroactively.
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Income tax instructions will really be a headache next year. How can Turbotax keep up with all the changes?
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Income tax instructions will really be a headache next year. How can Turbotax keep up with all the changes?
They can't , so everyone that uses TurboTax gets a Timmy Geithner get out of jail free card.
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They can't , so everyone that uses TurboTax gets a Timmy Geithner get out of jail free card.
Maybe if Obama required his democrats to pay their taxes the government would get a nice pile of money. :-)
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Maybe if Obama required his democrats to pay their taxes the government would get a nice pile of money. :-)
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OOOOOOhhhhh you didn't go there.....you think rich democrats or ant democrat for that matter should be required to do anything much less pay their fair share in taxes....
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I asked on Facebook if people were ready for the Obama 2012 tax hikes.
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OOOOOOhhhhh you didn't go there.....you think rich democrats or any democrat for that matter should be required to do anything much less pay their fair share in taxes....
That's more like it. :II:
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Maybe if Obama required his democrats to pay their taxes the government would get a nice pile of money. :-)
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There are millions of dollars to be collected from federal government employees that are in the rears with their taxes. These assholes do not think the law applies to them.
Obama knows his days are numbered so there is no telling what he will do. Him and that fat ass bitch do not care two shits about this country.
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Ok, take this statement and play hardball back.
Numerous studies have shown that the fiscal cliff will take our anemic 1.3% growth (if you can believe it being that high) to a recessionary -.5%. Ask voters if they want to vote for a man who will WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY cause serious damage to the already weak economy just to get his way, and if they're ready to pay the consequences of his spite.
This could end up costing him a few votes in swing states and the dems some HOR and Senate seats.
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Freed from the political and economic constraints
Code for even he knows he's gone in January, so this is his parting "**** you" to America before he retires to the $35 million house in Hawaii that someone else bought for him.
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It's all about the Class Warfare! Rich people are EVIL :fuelfire: and must be destroyed for stealing the money from po' folk, because everyone knows rich people stole their money from po' folk.
And yes, if he is so concerned about the poor, why does BIG BRObama not hand over his paycheck to the denizens of D.C.? Why does he not sell his million-dollar Chicago house and give the money to the destitute citizens in the slums of Chicago?
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I don't see any issue with using the existing precedents.
Other than the Constitution that specifically bars such ex post facto laws.
Article, Section 8.
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
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I don't see any issue with using the existing precedents.
Hi,
When Clinton passed the biggest tax increase in history he did it retroactively to January 1st of that year. I know for a fact because that was the biggest single earning year in my life and the retroactive part cost me many thousands of dollars.
Congress can do whatever they want. Repeal the Obamacare and make the Bush tax cuts permananent retroactive to 1/1/2013.
Damn right they can!
Call the bluff of all the lib idiots and send the bill to Obama before the election.
regards,
5412
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Every bill obama puts in front of them has raising taxes on the rich in them. That is why none of them get passed. The House and Senate know that if they do, they are done. Is it November 6th yet?
I agree that he knows he is on his way out. So he is going to try push every agenda he can to run us off the cliff faster.
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There are millions of dollars to be collected from federal government employees that are in the rears with their taxes. These assholes do not think the law applies to them.
Dunno about that, for most Federal employees (Which includes military) the income tax withholding would mean they're just screwing themselves since the IRS gets the money all year, generally more than they're due, so the IRS ends up with everything that went in without having to cough up any refunds. The only way to beat it is to claim a shitload of dependents. The primary offenders I encountered for just blowing off the whole tax filing thing were junior enlisted personnel, and they were only screwing themselves, not the IRS.
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Other than the Constitution that specifically bars such ex post facto laws.
Article, Section 8.
Read the article I linked to, sir. We may not like it most of the time, but the USSC has been interpreting the ban on ex post facto laws in a strictly limited, criminal law sense since about 1935. If those are the guidelines we've been given through about 80 years of jurisprudence, then *******it, it's about time WE take advantage of it and work the problem the mooonbats have left us.
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Hell yeah, Tax the rich. I'm all for a 99% income tax rate......
on the earnings of any future expresident leaving office after the year 2010.
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Call his bluff. CALL IT!
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Have him do it! Let's see how strong his electors will be then!
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I think they should send the half-white jackass a bill with a 95% tax rate for those stinking rich people who make over $250.000.00 in any year. Let him sign it or veto it. Those are his options.
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President Will Veto Fiscal Cliff Bill Unless Rich Get Tax Hikes
Go for it, douchenozzle. I agree with Gina, I think you're bluffing.
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Go for it, douchenozzle. I agree with Gina, I think you're bluffing.
I think if he loses...when he loses...he'd purposely not sign the bill just as one final Eff You to America for sending him back to Chicago.
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I think if he loses...when he loses...he'd purposely not sign the bill just as one final Eff You to America for sending him back to Chicago.
Then Boehner needs to keep the HOR in session for at least 10 days after it's sent to him. Don't give him the pocket veto.
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Then Boehner needs to keep the HOR in session for at least 10 days after it's sent to him. Don't give him the pocket veto.
I agree...but the problem is that Obama's already shown that he'll randomly declare Congress in recess to get what he wants.
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I agree...but the problem is that Obama's already shown that he'll randomly declare Congress in recess to get what he wants.
Problem is, he can't. At least problem for him. Senate, OTOH, will still be under Reid's control until at least January 3rd.
But if he does, it'll show the Dems for the bitter hacks and sore losers they are, like we knew different.
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Yeah...the consequences are all on him if he does pull a veto, either real or pocket. Basically this would mean he would have to knowingly take responsibility for the consequences if he did that, and we all know he has done absolutely everything he could to avoid that in every other thing he's done so far. The closest he's come is swooping in to take credit when some things went right in spite of him, once it was clear they actually worked, but other than that, nothing.
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If you think you are poor now, just wait until Jan, not only will the tax rate go up, but the payroll tax is set to return to its normal rate.
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Larry Kudlow said today that if Obama doesn't get the tax hikes for the rich all taxes will go up, and the Democrats will blame the Republicans even though they secretly want to raise everyones taxes and are glad Republicans are going to obstruct.
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Larry Kudlow said today that if Obama doesn't get the tax hikes for the rich all taxes will go up, and the Democrats will blame the Republicans even though they secretly want to raise everyones taxes and are glad Republicans are going to obstruct.
Gee, that sounds like... politics. :hyper:
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Taxes go up in 2013 for 163 million workers...
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121021/DA221AF00.html
A temporary reduction in Social Security payroll taxes is due to expire at the end of the year and hardly anyone in Washington is pushing to extend it. Neither Obama nor Romney has proposed an extension, and it probably wouldn't get through Congress anyway, with lawmakers in both parties down on the idea.
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After the Magic Negro loses this election, I look for him to f..k up things as much as possible just for spite. Plus, you have retards like slow Joe, Reid and Pisslosi as willing partners.
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The worst part is, no one is talking about this. So in Jan when we all get that first paycheck there is going to be a case of massive shock throughout the country. If 0bama loses then the dems will crow and say, "See Romney raised your taxes".
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Frankly, the whole SS "tax cut" witholding reduction was a vote-buying scheme anyway, and never should have been allowed.
Just means SS goes broke that much faster.
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Frankly, the whole SS "tax cut" witholding reduction was a vote-buying scheme anyway, and never should have been allowed.
Just means SS goes broke that much faster.
Oh it was nothing more than another gimmick. The funny thing is not that long ago that $40 was the most important thing in the world, now 0bama is strangely silent on the matter.