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Title: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: miskie on October 09, 2012, 02:25:30 PM
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Which I will forever refer to as the DUnning–Kruger effect - I just learned about this from http://ace.mu.nu/

 wikipedia defined it as-

Quote from: wikipedia

 The DUnning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.[1]

Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others" (p. 1127).[2]

Could this coincidence be any more accurate ? I think not.
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: Jasonw560 on October 09, 2012, 02:32:16 PM
That is spot on.
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: Ballygrl on October 09, 2012, 02:34:28 PM
It totally explains the :bouncy: that we see from the left.
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: Traveshamockery on October 09, 2012, 02:45:09 PM
I do love me some Ace of Spades HQ! 

 :blowkiss:
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: AprilRazz on October 09, 2012, 02:46:08 PM
Sounds more like the Nadin effect. :-)
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on October 09, 2012, 03:08:04 PM
A lot of psychologists and sociologists have gone down in their respective pseudosciences' histories for slapping their names on something everyone smart already knew.  Even when I was a teenager, I had run into people in authority who projected every appearance of confidence and convinced others to trust in their abilities with that projected image, when in fact they were bungling morons whose leadership could only result in disaster.  I always referred to it mentally as 'The Illusion of Competence,' but it's the same phenomenon, just viewed from a different perspective (The effect on those around the loser instead of what's going on in the loser's own alleged brain). 
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: thundley4 on October 09, 2012, 03:10:54 PM
This seems to be a corollary of "The Peter Principle".
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: AllosaursRus on October 09, 2012, 03:24:53 PM
A lot of psychologists and sociologists have gone down in their respective pseudosciences' histories for slapping their names on something everyone smart already knew.  Even when I was a teenager, I had run into people in authority who projected every appearance of confidence and convinced others to trust in their abilities with that projected image, when in fact they were bungling morons whose leadership could only result in disaster.  I always referred to it mentally as 'The Illusion of Competence,' but it's the same phenomenon, just viewed from a different perspective (The effect on those around the loser instead of what's going on in the loser's own alleged brain). 

Ok Tank, what do ya reallyyyyyyyyyyyyy do? Ya sure sound like an egghead to me!
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on October 09, 2012, 03:44:21 PM
Ok Tank, what do ya reallyyyyyyyyyyyyy do? Ya sure sound like an egghead to me!

I graduated with honors from law school and C&GS, but the best job I ever had or will ever have was being an M60A1 TC when I was a buck sergeant.
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: franksolich on October 09, 2012, 03:55:01 PM
Tanker's "illusion of competence" and April Razz's "nadin effect" are great examples of this.

But really, I'm surprised more haven't heard of the "DUnning-Kruger effect;" it's been around for a while, and I seem to have been aware of it the very first time I saw, and understood, a Democrat in office.
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: GOBUCKS on October 09, 2012, 04:37:20 PM
Kruger was George Costanza's boss at The Industrial Smoothing Company.
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: AllosaursRus on October 09, 2012, 05:14:31 PM
Tanker's "illusion of competence" and April Razz's "nadin effect" are great examples of this.

But really, I'm surprised more haven't heard of the "DUnning-Kruger effect;" it's been around for a while, and I seem to have been aware of it the very first time I saw, and understood, a Democrat in office.

Boy Coach, I hope ya don't live to close to the Tank! hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on October 09, 2012, 05:23:42 PM
It totally explains the :bouncy: that we see from the left.

It does, indeed.  Whenever (D)U-Kr sufferers encounter, even the slightest of political situations or one could be construed as such, they go into Walter Mitty/Billy Liar mode.

They can't help themselves.

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Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on Today at 12:08:04 pm

A lot of psychologists and sociologists have gone down in their respective pseudosciences' histories for slapping their names on something everyone smart already knew.  Even when I was a teenager, I had run into people in authority who projected every appearance of confidence and convinced others to trust in their abilities with that projected image, when in fact they were bungling morons whose leadership could only result in disaster.

As a young, dumb Marine ATC, I had a Warrant Officer who was a complete hard-dick.  The total Mr. Perfect/condescending to the lower ranks type.  I later had a NCOIC who knew the guy, years before, as a buck SGT in Vietnam.  Said the WO couldn't control himself out of a wet paper bag, a complete rock who was unsafe to leave alone with more than one aircraft in the pattern.  

Then I witnessed it myself.  My NCOIC was actually being a little nice.
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on October 09, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
I do love me some Ace of Spades HQ! 

 :blowkiss:

Me, too. :-)

Proud member of the moron horde since '09!
Title: Re: Something I learned from Ace of Spades.. Dunning–Kruger effect
Post by: BEG on October 09, 2012, 06:40:46 PM
I do love me some Ace of Spades HQ! 

 :blowkiss:

Me too.  He is fast becoming another Breitbart.