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Title: Public Service Post: Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'
Post by: Ballygrl on October 02, 2012, 01:14:43 PM
I don't think DU has seen this yet, so this Public Service Post is brought to you by Conservative Cave:

http://wp.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-adviser-admits-we-need-death-panels/

Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'

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A top Democrat strategist and donor who served as President Obama’s lead auto-industry adviser recently conceded that the rationing of heath services under Obamacare is “inevitable.”

Steven Rattner advocated that such rationing should target elderly patients, while stating, “We need death panels.”

Rattner serves on the board the New America Foundation, or NAF, a George Soros-funded think tank that was instrumental in supporting Obamacare in 2010. Soros’ son, financier Jonathan Soros, is also a member of the foundation’s board.

Rattner was the so-called “car czar,” the lead auto adviser to the Treasury Department under Obama.

Last month, Rattner penned an opinion piece in the New York Times titled “Beyond Obamacare” in which he proclaimed “We need death panels” and argued rationing must be instructed to sustain Obama’s health-care plan. His comments have been virtually ignored by traditional media as the president campaign’s for a second term.

-continued at the link-

Here are snippets of the article that appeared in the NY Times that DU missed also:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/opinion/health-care-reform-beyond-obamacare.html?_r=2&

Beyond Obamacare

WE need death panels.

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Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

But in the pantheon of toxic issues — the famous “third rails” of American politics — none stands taller than overtly acknowledging that elderly Americans are not entitled to every conceivable medical procedure or pharmaceutical.


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To be sure, health care cost increases have moderated, in part because of the recession and in part because Medicare has been tightening its reimbursements. But those thumbscrews can’t be tightened forever; Medicare reimbursement rates are already well below those of private providers.


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No one wants to lose an aging parent. And with price out of the equation, it’s natural for patients and their families to try every treatment, regardless of expense or efficacy. But that imposes an enormous societal cost that few other nations have been willing to bear. Many countries whose health care systems are regularly extolled — including Canada, Australia and New Zealand — have systems for rationing care.

Take Britain, which provides universal coverage with spending at proportionately almost half of American levels. Its National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence uses a complex quality-adjusted life year system to put an explicit value (up to about $48,000 per year) on a treatment’s ability to extend life.
Title: Re: Re: Public Service Post: Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'
Post by: DLR Pyro on October 02, 2012, 01:17:07 PM
Now DUmmies, repeat after me, "Sarah Palin was right "
Title: Re: Re: Public Service Post: Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'
Post by: Ballygrl on October 02, 2012, 01:23:44 PM
Now DUmmies, repeat after me, "Sarah Palin was right"

:-)
Title: Re: Public Service Post: Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'
Post by: EagleKeeper on October 02, 2012, 01:31:55 PM
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But in the pantheon of toxic issues — the famous “third rails” of American politics — none stands taller than overtly acknowledging that elderly Americans are not entitled to every conceivable medical procedure or pharmaceutical.

You got that DUmmies?

But it's all good right? After all Soylent is a "Green" product.
Title: Re: Public Service Post: Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'
Post by: Texacon on October 02, 2012, 01:40:59 PM
I never could figure out how anyone could NOT see "death panels" coming to a hospital near you.  Seriously, that was basic ... and I mean VERY basic math.

KC
Title: Re: Public Service Post: Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'
Post by: Ballygrl on October 02, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
This part is important too:

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But that imposes an enormous societal cost that few other nations have been willing to bear. Many countries whose health care systems are regularly extolled — including Canada, Australia and New Zealand — have systems for rationing care.

Take Britain, which provides universal coverage with spending at proportionately almost half of American levels. Its National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence uses a complex quality-adjusted life year system to put an explicit value (up to about $48,000 per year) on a treatment’s ability to extend life.
Title: Re: Public Service Post: Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'
Post by: EagleKeeper on October 02, 2012, 02:41:23 PM
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Its National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence uses a complex quality-adjusted life year system to put an explicit value (up to about $48,000 per year) on a treatment’s ability to extend life.

I have no reason to believe that it's not accurate, it is just a starting number.

Once the death panels get into the groove and have more detail (it's called practice) that figure will go down.
Title: Re: Public Service Post: Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'
Post by: Gina on October 02, 2012, 02:41:45 PM
Way to go, DUmmies!

(http://images.politico.com/global/news/101102_sarah_palin_smile_ap_328.jpg)
Title: Re: Public Service Post: Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'
Post by: Ballygrl on October 02, 2012, 03:30:07 PM
Way to go, DUmmies!

(http://images.politico.com/global/news/101102_sarah_palin_smile_ap_328.jpg)

She's so gorgeous!
Title: Re: Re: Re: Public Service Post: Obama adviser admits: 'We need death panels'
Post by: DLR Pyro on October 02, 2012, 04:02:21 PM
She's so gorgeous!
Ahh yep