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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on September 29, 2012, 07:24:02 AM
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Liberal_in_LA (25,875 posts)
Ryan outfits 10 yr old daughter with deer-hunting gear (gave her rifle as gift at age 9)
Ryan outfits daughter with deer-hunting gear
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A good father would be equipping his 9 year old daughter with $18,000 worth of birth control.
gopiscrap (1,997 posts)
1. what an asswipe!!!
baldguy (28,401 posts)
3. Can teaching children how to kill & desensitizing them to it be considered child abuse?
I think so.
Leftists should be denied the ability to determine child abuse cases.
Arctic Dave (10,668 posts)
13. Should he take her to a meat packing facility also?
Let her "bolt" the animal?
Codeine (12,168 posts)
141. Absolutely.
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I think we do more harm by pretending there's a nice clean wall between meat and the reality of killing.
I hunted as a child; deer, antelope, elk, and a ton of rabbits. It did such a piss-poor job of desensitizing me to death that I've been a vegan for my entire adult life.
RebelOne (24,684 posts)
8. To allow your 7-year-old daughter to kill an animal is also a crime in my eyes. n/t
progressivebydesign (17,983 posts)
166. Never understood the appeal of KILLING a helpless animal for fun.
Seriously... never got that. HOW could it be FUN to cause the pain and fear and suffering of an animal that FEELS those things???? I don't care what political party someone is, killing an animal for FUN (i dont' care if you say you eat it later,) is wrong. Worse is having your children do it.
Really ****ing wishes someone had a gun:
(http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/C9/C96CB600-895F-40C3-88F6-F1C1420D38F1/Presentation.Large/Lions-attacking-hippopotamus.jpg)
RebelOne (24,684 posts)
5. I hate hunting, and to indoctrinate a 10-year-child
into killing animals is a crime in my eyes.
Brickbat (12,639 posts)
70. Name the crime.
4th law of robotics (5,175 posts)
278. Willful disregard for delicate sensibilties
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contributing to the clutching of several pearls.
Aggravated feelings-assault.
All punishable but up to (but not exceeding) 3 frowning faces. Possibly you could argue it down to a disappointed head shake and sigh.
Except some liberals would happily destroy families, imprison parents and send children to government shelters to be incessantly told why their parents were evil.
MrSlayer (19,425 posts)
24. He's just pandering.
A rich asshole like him doesn't need to hunt. He's just showing out for the rednecks.
HockeyMom (9,236 posts)
33. Advice. Don't bring dead Bambi home to your daughters
They will not like seeing that. Even after having it all dressed and cut by a butcher, they won't eat it. Oh, I remember that very well. NONE of us would eat it. Besides my daughters, all I could see in my mind was that bloody mess. It SMELLED to high hell being cooked. Husband had to take the meat back to the butcher to sell it. When he tried to take them shooting with him years later, they cried and screamed, BAMBI at him.
Personally, I am not crazy about meat to begin with. A nice crunchy salad tastes better to me than a steak. The only way I can eat steak, or other meat, is to disguise the taste of the meat with sauces and spices. Plain meat is gross. If I had to shoot animals for food, I could very, very easily become a vegetarian.
PavePusher (13,954 posts)
126. Your squeemishness is not the benchmark. n/t
And now, the set-up for The Most Ironic Post of the Day:
glacierbay (636 posts)
34. This is one of the stupidest reasons to attack Ryan
there are a whole bunch of reasons to attack him, but this is not one of them.
Leading us to: The Most Ironic Post of the Day
MotherPetrie (207 posts)
47. Speak for yourself.
You should speak for yourself...unless you want to speak about how other people raise their kids.
ForgoTheConsequence (339 posts)
35. And we wonder why we're losing the white working class vote.
News flash life exists outside of cities, and life exists outside of the coasts. That meat you buy at the supermarket? It was an animal once, those shoes you're wearing? They were an animal once. People hunt, fish, camp, etc deal with it. The majority of this country isn't living some cosmopolitan life style discussing liberal politics over wine in their condos. Some of us on the left go into the woods, hunt, get dirty at our jobs and drive pickups. Nothing more aggravating than hearing people degrade my way of life and then ask why people like me "vote against our own interest", of course I know better but you can't expect people to be on your side politically when you do nothing but insult them.
Apparently the next post didn't turn out how the DUmbass intended so he covered it like a cat covering a turd:
Raine This message was self-deleted by its author.
A clue:
AnotherMcIntosh (3,707 posts)
242. "not into blood (lust) sports"?
(http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/obama_fishing.jpg)
Doremus (4,835 posts)
57. All the hunting advocates in this thread
When animals are lured into position and blindsided by opponents with lethal weapons, or released with no possible escape for the sole purpose of the thrill of the kill, then I say no, HELL NO, will I ever be okay with that. I won't be okay with it regardless of the age, sex, religion or any other demographic of the so-called "hunter."
When animals are given the same advantages, or even a fighting chance, then I will change my opinion. And before you ask, I do not eat animals, use any part of their bodies for clothing, shoes, car seats, cheap trinkets from China or anything else. I am not arrogant enough to think that my needs/wants are more important than the life of a sentient being.
And it goes on like this...
...for over 400 posts so far.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021414628
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Doremus (4,835 posts)
57. All the hunting advocates in this thread
When animals are lured into position and blindsided by opponents with lethal weapons, or released with no possible escape for the sole purpose of the thrill of the kill, then I say no, HELL NO, will I ever be okay with that. I won't be okay with it regardless of the age, sex, religion or any other demographic of the so-called "hunter."
When animals are given the same advantages, or even a fighting chance, then I will change my opinion. And before you ask, I do not eat animals, use any part of their bodies for clothing, shoes, car seats, cheap trinkets from China or anything else. I am not arrogant enough to think that my needs/wants are more important than the life of a sentient being.
Want to bet he/she is pro-choice? :banghead:
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I seem to recall stories of GIRLS close to and younger than Paul's daughter killing bear, wild hogs, etc. Matter of fact, a 12-year old girl in Maine shot a moose not long ago.
Oh, and DUmmies, it's not "for fun" you dolts. These animals have MEAT, which people use to survive.
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Want to bet he/she is pro-choice? :banghead:
Yep...defenseless, helpless, can't run, can't hide ...yep, babies in the womb = clean kill, good kill.....throw it in the trash can....makes the DUmmie's happy.
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RebelOne
5. I hate hunting, and to indoctrinate a 10-year-child into killing animals is a crime in my eyes.
Watch out, Davy Crocket! This primitive is out to getcha.
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Watch out, Davy Crocket! This primitive is out to getcha.
Well...
...he did participate in the US imperialist war of aggression against a defenseless Santa Ana.</DUmbassHistory>
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Sorry, you lose a vote on animal rights when you're okay with humans being ripped from the womb and slaughtered.
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Doremus (4,835 posts)
57. All the hunting advocates in this thread
When animals are lured into position and blindsided by opponents with lethal weapons, or released with no possible escape for the sole purpose of the thrill of the kill, then I say no, HELL NO, will I ever be okay with that. I won't be okay with it regardless of the age, sex, religion or any other demographic of the so-called "hunter."
When animals are given the same advantages, or even a fighting chance, then I will change my opinion. And before you ask, I do not eat animals, use any part of their bodies for clothing, shoes, car seats, cheap trinkets from China or anything else. I am not arrogant enough to think that my needs/wants are more important than the life of a sentient being.
If an animal is lured into a position due to the use of baiting scents or foods, that is a crime, and you won't enjoy your day in court. There aren't many places that release animals into confined areas and most hunters wouldn't be interested anyway.
A deer enjoys several advantages over a hunter. A deer isn't wearing high visibility orange. A deer's sense of smell isn't much worse than a dog's. Deer can hear the ticking of a wrist watch at 50 yards. Deer typically operate between evening twilight and dawn, when our vision is at it's worst. We have the advantage of seeing on color and having eyes that detect movement. The advantage goes tot he deer.
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Why do people who worship Darwin walk around in sackcloth and ashes over the fact they were born with incisor teeth?
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That means possibly hundreds of thousands of fathers here in Texas could be arrested for child abuse.
And if they think it's not just abuse for girls, but boys, too, then lock me up. I'm guilty of two counts of teaching my boys firearm safety, the fragility of life, wildlife conservation, and spending quality time together.
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If an animal is lured into a position due to the use of baiting scents or foods, that is a crime, and you won't enjoy your day in court. There aren't many places that release animals into confined areas and most hunters wouldn't be interested anyway.
A deer enjoys several advantages over a hunter. A deer isn't wearing high visibility orange. A deer's sense of smell isn't much worse than a dog's. Deer can hear the ticking of a wrist watch at 50 yards. Deer typically operate between evening twilight and dawn, when our vision is at it's worst. We have the advantage of seeing on color and having eyes that detect movement. The advantage goes tot he deer.
As most animals are much more intelligent than the DUmmies I would figure a DUmmie hunting outing would end up sort of like the video game Deer Avenger. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Avenger_(series) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_Avenger_(series))
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In Wisconsin, we had four year old girls dressed up in hunting attire. I'm sure it's the same thing in Minnesota too. Get over it, DUmmies. :)
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I seem to recall stories of GIRLS close to and younger than Paul's daughter killing bear, wild hogs, etc. Matter of fact, a 12-year old girl in Maine shot a moose not long ago.
Oh, and DUmmies, it's not "for fun" you dolts. These animals have MEAT, which people use to survive.
People who have SKILLS outside of sitting on their asses pontificating about shit they know nothing about will be the ones to survive a catastrophe. While libs are sniveling in their homes, or rioting in the streets, waiting for Big Government to come to their aid, conservatives will be self-sufficient because they're prepared, and know that they can only rely on themselves (and God) for assistance.
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Sorry, you lose a vote on animal rights when you're okay with humans being ripped from the womb and slaughtered.
This.
ForgoTheConsequence (339 posts)
35. And we wonder why we're losing the white working class vote.
News flash life exists outside of cities, and life exists outside of the coasts. That meat you buy at the supermarket? It was an animal once, those shoes you're wearing? They were an animal once. People hunt, fish, camp, etc deal with it. The majority of this country isn't living some cosmopolitan life style discussing liberal politics over wine in their condos. Some of us on the left go into the woods, hunt, get dirty at our jobs and drive pickups. Nothing more aggravating than hearing people degrade my way of life and then ask why people like me "vote against our own interest", of course I know better but you can't expect people to be on your side politically when you do nothing but insult them.
I could almost like this guy, but......
of course I know better
I'm thinking that after about 20 minutes of bar discussion, I would be forced to ignore him or punch his ass out.
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Girls who know how to fish and hunt...and are not afraid of guns.
Girls who grow up to be reliable, self sufficient women.
Girls who will never need govt assistance.
No wonder the DUmmies are afraid. This little gal is just one of a generation of Sara Palins growing up right now.
Live in fear democrats. Women no longer need you.
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Want to bet he/she is pro-choice? :banghead:
It's not pro-choice because those people are not for keeping a baby alive. It is pro-abortion. This DUche would make sure that there are no pro-life people at an abortion clinic to talk to the mother and perhaps change her mind. Nothing about choice for these people, nothing but it does sound nice.
Do not use the words of the left as they always mean the exact opposite.
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In Wisconsin, we had four year old girls dressed up in hunting attire. I'm sure it's the same thing in Minnesota too. Get over it, DUmmies. :)
It is down here in Southern Illinois.
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It's not pro-choice because those people are not for keeping a baby alive. It is pro-abortion. This DUche would make sure that there are no pro-life people at an abortion clinic to talk to the mother and perhaps change her mind. Nothing about choice for these people, nothing but it does sound nice.
Do not use the words of the left as they always mean the exact opposite.
The disgust with which I use that label does not come through well in print.
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Girls who know how to fish and hunt...and are not afraid of guns.
Girls who grow up to be reliable, self sufficient women.
Girls who will never need govt assistance.
No wonder the DUmmies are afraid. This little gal is just one of a generation of Sara Palins growing up right now.
Live in fear democrats. Women no longer need you.
They want the girls to be Julia and have the government take care of them from cradle to grave.
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And those people think they should be in charge when they can't even see the differance between hunting for sport and true animal abuse.
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And those people think they should be in charge when they can't even see the differance between hunting for sport and true animal abuse.
Well, to them a quick kill on an animal is abuse, but ripping a baby apart piece by piece is a fun day for them. To them that is a sport.
They are sick and twisted individuals. Them and the "religion of peace" that they defend so often really deserve each other.
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This is why people like this should never be in power. If they had their way Ryan would be charged with child abuse for this. :banghead:
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I seem to recall stories of GIRLS close to and younger than Paul's daughter killing bear, wild hogs, etc. Matter of fact, a 12-year old girl in Maine shot a moose not long ago.
Oh, and DUmmies, it's not "for fun" you dolts. These animals have MEAT, which people use to survive.
And that is why the DUmmies would starve to death if they had to survive on their own and not get their food via Food Stamps.
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I can tell you from this pic obama is no fly fishermen!
(http://nomadanglers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/obama-fly-fishing.jpg)
After that cast he might have looked like this.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/-WSo1RvH-5qI/ThiRaFnG-XI/AAAAAAAAOZU/H0FGogYYz2c/obama-fly_thumb1.jpg)
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In Wisconsin, we had four year old girls dressed up in hunting attire. I'm sure it's the same thing in Minnesota too. Get over it, DUmmies. :)
All of the Midwest was about the same. It was often better for a child to know how to use a gun that was kept inside a home, then for the kid not to know how to safely use it.
My grandparents taught me how to shoot a little hand held .25 pistol years before they would ever allow me to tell my father...lol
They kept it loaded in a drawer and wanted to make sure I knew what to do and not do with it.
All DUmmies hate hunting until they live in an area over populated with wildlife then all of a sudden they support open season "controlled kills" in state parks, etc....
Even the Rock Island Arsenal had to allow a controlled hunting season (it's on an island in the middle of the Mississippi River) to help control the deer population, due to a major increase in property damage to the National Cemetery and car accidents.
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I was taught to shoot when I was 10 or so. Some of my fondest memories are of my daddy taking me hunting and fishing with him as a child. I honestly don't think there is a better way for a daddy to bond with a child than by taking him/her hunting and fishing.
BTW...my daddy kept his guns on a gun rack hanging on a wall in the guest bedroom...no lock or safe. Because I knew how to shoot, I respected guns and knew better than to "play" with them. Also, hunting and fishing was what kept food in my family's mouth when I was young. Honestly, if daddy didn't catch it; kill it; or grow it; we didn't eat.
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Well, then, this must be grandchildren abuse because here's my granddaughter, Liv, when she was 7 helping to pluck a wild turkey we'd just shot.
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m613/HighMaintenanceFarmWife/livpluckingturkey.jpg)
And Jesse, 5, kicking one of the dead turkeys. Would this be animal abuse?
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m613/HighMaintenanceFarmWife/Jessekickingadeadturkey.jpg)
Of course, their favorite part is watching them flop all over the place after they're shot!
Cindie
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They will defend to their death the right for a SNAP recipient to buy any damn thing they want, including filet mignon, but not a man who teaches his daughter how to actually work to provide it for herself on her own. Coming from the same people that wouldn't want their young daughters burdened with a baby. Lazy wusses. The whole lot of them.
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
The favorite story Mom tells of her youth comes to mind.
Back way back in 1938 she and her class went to Chicago on a class trip. Now she lived in a medium size town outside Boston and none had ever lived on a farm. All were city kids that had only seen a cow at a distance in a field somewhere.
She tells of their horror when taken to view the Meat packing part of the city and their horror at being close up to the huge dirty smelly cows being herded into the plants. They were escorted into the plant and they watched as the cows at that time were hit over the head with sledge hammers and dragged to the cutting floors. The smells and sounds overcame most of her class, the blood and gore was even too much for the teachers and parents that escorted them.
70 +years later she still remembers the sight, sounds and smells of that place. Who in their right mind would take young girls to a place like that ??? She does wonder if the boys in her class were being desensitized for the coming war, as it was it was the girls that had to drag out the males that had fainted.
Woman become use to blood but males are another kettle of fish.
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I seem to recall stories of GIRLS close to and younger than Paul's daughter killing bear, wild hogs, etc. Matter of fact, a 12-year old girl in Maine shot a moose not long ago.
Oh, and DUmmies, it's not "for fun" you dolts. These animals have MEAT, which people use to survive.
Following on sparks heals... On more rural areas knowing how to shoot and kill an animal can be life or death. It would be abuse not to teach a child something which could be easily deemed a survival skill because of where they live. Their squeamishness btw I the reason 90% of city/suburban liberals would be daisy pushers themselves if this country went to hell in a hand basket. About the only thing they seem willing to kill is conservatives, babies, and Christians and despite their rabid torrents those aren't te biggest threat to their existence.
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Why do people who worship Darwin walk around in sackcloth and ashes over the fact they were born with incisor teeth?
Snugs. I may have to swipe this for face booking. Brilliant concise point:)
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I already did.
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I already did.
:)
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Following on sparks heals... On more rural areas knowing how to shoot and kill an animal can be life or death. It would be abuse not to teach a child something which could be easily deemed a survival skill because of where they live. Their squeamishness btw I the reason 90% of city/suburban liberals would be daisy pushers themselves if this country went to hell in a hand basket. About the only thing they seem willing to kill is conservatives, babies, and Christians and despite their rabid torrents those aren't te biggest threat to their existence.
Remember when one of the Primates at DU was bitching about his poser going out and how they had no way to keep food fresh and that none of his neighbors would let him hook up to their homes? What if that had to go on for a few more weeks or months? what was he going to do then? Hope Barry Big Ears was going to stop by and give him some MRE's or Government cheese?
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Remember when one of the Primates at DU was bitching about his poser going out and how they had no way to keep food fresh and that none of his neighbors would let him hook up to their homes? What if that had to go on for a few more weeks or months? what was he going to do then? Hope Barry Big Ears was going to stop by and give him some MRE's or Government cheese?
That was the sparkling old dude, in one of the wealthiest counties in the country, in Maryland.
He was panic-stricken because his trophy wife was whining about being out of electricity, and desperate for anything to shut her up.
The sparkling old dude tends to get nervous when his trophy wife's upset, as he's afraid she'll leave him.
As the sparkling old dude was in the Navy 1965-1967, I assume he knows how to use a firearm, but there's probably not much wildlife in affluent suburban Maryland.
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As the sparkling old dude was in the Navy 1965-1967, I assume he knows how to use a firearm, but there's probably not much wildlife in affluent suburban Maryland.
There's undergroundpanther, but she probably wouldn't taste very good.
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HockeyMom (9,236 posts)
33. ...Blah, blah, blah... Plain meat is gross. If I had to shoot animals for food, I could very, very easily become a vegetarian.
Or just die. The latter being the far more likely of the two.
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Or just die. The latter being the far more likely of the two.
It gets my vote, DAT! :cheersmate:
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A younger classmate of mine could not understand why people still hunted. "They can just get their meat from the store". She couldn't grasp the fact that venison is much better for you than commercially produced meat and not even a fraction of the cost.
I had many a relative that got through the year on hunted meat.
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A younger classmate of mine could not understand why people still hunted. "They can just get their meat from the store". She couldn't grasp the fact that venison is much better for you than commercially produced meat and not even a fraction of the cost.
I had many a relative that got through the year on hunted meat.
From an animal right's standpoint, I would argue that hunting is actually more humane than most commercially prepared meat. The animal lives a free life in the wild, until it is killed for food. Generally, people aren't going to kill more animals than they can reasonably consume, or give to others to consume. It is basically extreme free range meat.
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From an animal right's standpoint, I would argue that hunting is actually more humane than most commercially prepared meat. The animal lives a free life in the wild, until it is killed for food. Generally, people aren't going to kill more animals than they can reasonable consume, or give to others to consume. It is basically extreme free range meat.
You just made Ingrid Neukirk's shit list.
Welcome to the list!!!
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That was the sparkling old dude, in one of the wealthiest counties in the country, in Maryland.
He was panic-stricken because his trophy wife was whining about being out of electricity, and desperate for anything to shut her up.
The sparkling old dude tends to get nervous when his trophy wife's upset, as he's afraid she'll leave him.
As the sparkling old dude was in the Navy 1965-1967, I assume he knows how to use a firearm, but there's probably not much wildlife in affluent suburban Maryland.
You would be surprised at just how much wild life has moved into our city's. Occasionally we have a moose wander in to the area, there are bears, deer and raccoons, fox, you name it wandering about looking for food or love. Even a few Fisher Cats that cause 911 calls for a woman screaming in the woods.
Rutting season is all ways dangerous when the big game come to the towns, Female Moose have this aversion to mating and will run from a bull into open garages, and in a few cases right into stores with the automatic door openers. Bulls ain't that smart, they see their reflection in a car or truck window and hump the heck out of the vehicle.
Sick bears are a problem from time to time, as are other rabid critters. Now I am talking about in populated areas, don't matter if one lives in State Housing or on the edge of a Golf Course , hungry critters head for where the food is.
Children and adults need to know what to do and not do when facing wild life. One does not expect to see these critters down town but I have learned to expect to see deer in the road early morning and in the most unlikely places.
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Or just die. The latter being the far more likely of the two.
Preferable too. :-)
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HockeyMom (9,236 posts)
33. Advice. Don't bring dead Bambi home to your daughters
They will not like seeing that. Even after having it all dressed and cut by a butcher, they won't eat it. Oh, I remember that very well. NONE of us would eat it. Besides my daughters, all I could see in my mind was that bloody mess. It SMELLED to high hell being cooked. Husband had to take the meat back to the butcher to sell it. When he tried to take them shooting with him years later, they cried and screamed, BAMBI at him.
Personally, I am not crazy about meat to begin with. A nice crunchy salad tastes better to me than a steak. The only way I can eat steak, or other meat, is to disguise the taste of the meat with sauces and spices. Plain meat is gross. If I had to shoot animals for food, I could very, very easily become a vegetarian.
Personally, I always wished there was mouse flavored ice cream so that after I took my cat to the vet I could have rewarded her.
As for you, if you were left to your wits, you might be able to manage on some nice, crunchy tree bark, but I doubt it.
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Personally, I am not crazy about meat to begin with. A nice crunchy salad tastes better to me than a steak.
You gotta be kidding. :loser:
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Or just die. The latter being the far more likely of the two.
There is a reason that there are no traditionally vegan cultures on earth, people begin to get serious nutritional deficiencies with a vegan diet without additional supplementation. There was even research that B12 deficiencies became significantly more common in India once stricter food safety laws were passed. Prior to passing the new standards, there was sufficient animal protein (largely insect based) in vegetarian food staples to provide the necessary nutrients. Once those weren't there, people became deficient quickly.