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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: dutch508 on May 27, 2008, 09:45:30 AM
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Even the dems didn't like it...
kskiska (1000+ posts) Tue May-13-08 11:34 PM
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HBO Film About 2000 Recount Draws Protests From Democrats
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3308430
Source: NYT
Wounds from the Florida recount, still healing for many Democrats, are being ripped open again for some prominent former advisers to Al Gore. They say that a coming HBO film dramatizing the ballot battle after the 2000 election unfairly blames them for the Democrats’ failure to secure the White House.
Warren Christopher, the former secretary of state who served as the public face of the Gore team in the early days of the recount effort, said this week that he believed the film, “Recount,†was “pure fiction†in its portrayal of him as a weak strategist unprepared to stand up to the aggressive tactics of James A. Baker III, the former secretary of state who was the chief Republican adviser.
William M. Daley, Mr. Gore’s campaign chairman, who helped to lead the Democratic recount team in Florida, said the film created misperceptions about the Gore team’s decision-making process. Mr. Gore, who oversaw the team from Washington, is largely absent from the film.
Even Mr. Baker questioned the portrayal of Mr. Christopher. “I don’t think I was as ruthless as the movie portrays me, and I know he was not as wimpish as it makes him appear,†Mr. Baker said.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/arts/television/14rec...
but not for the same reasons.
Lautremont (1000+ posts) Tue May-13-08 11:42 PM
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1. Whatever the actual degree of wimpishness, it was sufficient
to allow an eight-year nightmare to ensue. I'd say it's a little pointless to grouse about it now, Warren.
Maybe you should all MOVEON?
xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 02:59 PM
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43. I was terrified b**h would be elected.
I knew if the rabid right got a toehold in power we could kiss out civil liberties goodbye. I didn't know how they would do it but I knew our liberties would be in jeopardy. I was dismayed that the Democrats weren't screaming . After the SCOTUS decision, I just felt betrayed by the party. I don't fault Gore, but I do fault the dlc and its, then, control of the DNC.
Looney
lovuian (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 03:09 PM
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44. Gore was set up look who his Vice President was Liberman
If he Was President he wouldn't have been around long
Lieberman would be President
now think about how UGLY that would have been
The Democrat party was riddled with NWO agents
So in the Long run Bush was and the Republican Party destroyed this country
and as a result he destroyed the republican party
He showed all of us how they steal kill and promote their propoganda machine
many have awakened to the fact that this government is not for the people its against it
The People elected Gore but thats not what happened
We had the Presidency stolen from the people by the Supreme Court
darkest day for this country
So..Bush was the better of the two Democratic choices?
saigon68 (http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/avatars/service_vietnam.gif) (1000+ posts) Wed May-14-08 02:49 PM
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34. He is like no spine Reid
The guy from Nevada who gives Cheney's corporations billions of tax dollars to waste in Iraq-Nam
They really reach to try to remake Iraq into the same mess they created in Vietnam.
UpInArms (1000+ posts) Wed May-14-08 07:57 AM
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16. those rioters worked for Bush, DeLay, Abramoff or other Rs
not sure what riots they are talking about, but they linked a pic:
(http://www.oldamericancentury.org/preppy_riot.jpg)
linked from old american century. org. the title is preppy riot/
:lmao:
flashl (1000+ posts) Wed May-14-08 09:38 AM
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22. My observation that was the most telling about the 2000 saga ...
The silence and absence of outrage from early reports of 'voting irregularities' in Jacksonville, Florida stating 27,000 ballots were literally 'lost' between the precincts and the Duval County Election Board.
Yet, America's first expression of outrage was about 'voting irregularities' in Palm Beach.
If there was ONLY a difference of 500+ votes, why did everyone IGNORE the 27,000 lost ballots in Jacksonville?
Info about Duval County:
Presidential politics: Jacksonville is in Duval County, which supported George W. Bush in the last two presidential elections. According to unofficial vote totals for 2004, Bush received 219,251 votes and John Kerry received 158,121 votes.
In the November 2000 election, Duval County supported Bush. Countywide, 152,098 people voted for Bush and 107,864 voted for Gore. Nader received 2,757 votes.
So 27,000 votes, in a heavily Republican County, were lost. ven if all of them were Gore votes: He still would have lost the county.
In Presidential Elections, Duval county is perhaps the largest reliably Republican county in the state with 57% Republican, 40% Democrat, and 1.8% other.
152,098 Bush 57% of the vote
107,864 Gore 41% of the vote
2,757 Nader 1.01 % of the vote
262717 total
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what's not to like from the leftist's point of view? that they didn't rewrite the ending so that gore won? :???: that's about the only liberty that they didn't take.
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and an estimated 15000-18000 votes were lost in the panhandle when the networks called the state for gore before the polls even closed in the earlier time zone.
:loserbar:
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DUmmies are never happy.
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Elections aren't T-Ball, they keep score in elections.........sorry DUmmies.
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I know Gore didn't win. How do I know? He was not sworn-in as President of the United States. President Bush was. That means President Bush won.
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I read a couple Dem rants about the HBO program yesterday. Something that I seemed to run into frequently was the program didn't mention that person on the "decision desk" at Fox News that recommended that the network call FL for bush was somehow related to bush, and that exclusion was somehow a cover up :whatever: . . . as though something said on a cable news broadcast is more authoritative that the actual vote count in the first place.
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and an estimated 15000-18000 votes were lost in the panhandle when the networks called the state for gore before the polls even closed in the earlier time zone.
:loserbar:
algoe in cohoots with the some/most of the TV networks tried their damndest to steal the election even to blocking the military vote and the stacked Florida State Supreme court ruling on their select recount and the busted,dimpled chad B.S. couldn't quite pull it off .And now the crying never ends,T.S.end of story,Fait accompli !!
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Manbearpig showed who he was when he wanted certain counties recounted and not the whole State. And then all the dimpled chads and pregnant chads and other foolishness just made him look more petty than he already was... and is to this day.
And he's the one who wanted it settled in the USSC. DUmmies tend to forget that convenient little fact.
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How can the DUmmies afford internet service and HBO in this * economy?
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How can the DUmmies afford internet service and HBO in this * economy?
they live in agricultural communes, where they grow conspiracy vineyards.
or, perhaps, if they twist their tinfoil beanies a certain way, they get premium channels broadcast through the chips in their forearms, and the video is played on the insides of their eyelids.
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and an estimated 15000-18000 votes were lost in the panhandle when the networks called the state for gore before the polls even closed in the earlier time zone.
:loserbar:
Or how about the countless military absentee ballots that Gore's team made sure to reject under any and every flimsy excuse?