a geek named Bob (1,508 posts)
How many people here want a country of low energy, low tech farms?
The reason I ask, is that I've seen a number of threads that seem giddy in anticipation of Gridcrash.
Discuss...
Vincardog (16,707 posts)
3. Who do you think is best positioned to survive the coming crash?
a geek named Bob (1,508 posts)
12. any group with varied talents...
as long as they've got the following:
-a medic
-a welder/fitter
-a grower
-someone with electrical training
Shitty Mitty (54 posts)
146. Whoever has the most guns and ammo
Just keepin' it real
a geek named Bob (1,508 posts)
148. worse comes to worse...
my friends and just wait out the gun crowd...
We've got swords, knives, and training...
XemaSab (56,254 posts)
165. And you're unable and unwilling to learn anything about growing food
n/t
a geek named Bob (1,508 posts)
166. strange...
I believe I said my wife and I grow a good deal of our own food...
WHY do you want people to live like dark ages peasants?
XemaSab (56,254 posts)
176. Do the words
COARSE-LOAMY, MIXED, SUPERACTIVE, NONACID, THERMIC MOLLIC XEROFLUVENT mean anything to you?
How about FINE-SILTY, MIXED, SUPERACTIVE, CALCAREOUS, MESIC AERIC HALAQUEPT?
Or FINE, MIXED, ACTIVE, THERMIC ABRUPTIC DURIXERALF?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
Frustratedlady (8,106 posts)
43. Amen! I think if Obama is elected, he will hit wind/solar hard to get our dependence on coal/oil
reduced. As for farms, we never should have allowed the family farms to be destroyed and taken over by corporations. They are a PITA to their neighbors.
Speck Tater (9,605 posts)
8. Me! Me! I want us all to be Amish and sing Kumbaya around the campfire.
By the way, did you know that "Kumbaya" is actually "kum by ya" which translates from the Creole as "come by here". "Come by here my lord...".
[sarcasm smilie]
BOG PERSON (2,621 posts)
11. it would give the unemployed something to do
if capital-intensive farming was no longer sustainable
just like in the loser countries
a geek named Bob (1,508 posts)
13. how about bringing those jobs back, and not relegating others to drudge work?
BOG PERSON (2,621 posts)
15. that would be nice?
a geek named Bob (1,508 posts)
18. I think it would...
Forcing folks to work on farms isn't very nice...
BOG PERSON (2,621 posts)
61. phsyical force, market force
same outcome
a geek named Bob (1,508 posts)
66. I call BS on that one...
BOG PERSON, I have to "somewhat respectfully disagree"
Cambodia had the ruling group KILLING people who wouldn't work the fields. (they also killed people just because...)
pretty much serves as my starting example for a case against communism and socialism...
BOG PERSON (2,621 posts)
72. whatever
the fact is societies need people to do certain unenjoyable work (not degrading) to survive and grow. society doesnt operate on volunteerism. people are either compelled by the threat of privation or something else.
BOG PERSON (2,621 posts)
78. proof of what
that agriculture is important but nobody likes doing it? uhh
10 million people die every year of starvation. why are you okay with that.
hunter (14,109 posts)
74. We already do force folks to work on farms...
... and we call them "illegal."
BOG PERSON (2,621 posts)GOD DAMN FILTHY FREEPER TROLL! GO BACK TO FREE REPUBLIC 1111111 :-)
72. whatever
the fact is societies need people to do certain unenjoyable work (not degrading) to survive and grow. society doesnt operate on volunteerism. people are either compelled by the threat of privation or something else.
Odin2005 (45,920 posts)
58. Frankly, I consider the Deep Ecology people to be delusional romantics.
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The delusion being that Mother Nature is a kind nurturing mother who takes care of us and that technology is hurting her. It is in fact the Christian doctrine of Original Sin under a New Age Neo-Pagan guise.
Then when you refute their arguments they pull the "This is what ancient Native American wisdom says, so you are a bigot who hate Native Americans!!!" or some similar Noble Savage BS.
MadHound (32,226 posts)
123. Something for you to consider,
"Industrial agriculture is an inefficient and wasteful system which is chemical intensive, fossil fuel intensive and capital intensive. It destroys nature's capital on the one hand and society’s capital on the other, by displacing small farms and destroying health. According to David Pimentel, professor of ecology and agricultural sciences at Cornell University, it uses 10 units of energy as input to produce one unit of energy as food.
This waste is amplified by another factor of 10 when animals are put in factory farms and fed grain, instead of grass in free range ecological systems. Rob Johnston celebrates these animal prisons as efficient, ignoring the fact that it takes 7kg of grain to produce one kg of beef, 4kg of grain to produce 1kg of pork and 2.4kg of grain to produce 1kg of chicken.
The diversion of food grains to feed is a major contributor to world hunger. And the shadow acres to produce this grain are never counted. Europe uses 7 times the area outside Europe to produce feed for its factory farms."
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/09/23-4
I'm not giddy about gridcrash, but I see it happening relatively soon, within the next thirty years. The American empire is collapsing, and much like Rome, it is going to take much of the rest of the world with it.
a geek named Bob (1,508 posts)
130. At this point, the movement to re-build the grid makes the big oil/Ag/etc. obsolete...
Until they outlaw home generators, they can't close up the net.
Until they can restrict buying tools, they can't stop the Makers.
And the change is already happening.
That's sort of the point of a distributed, robust system. No one bunch of idiots (commie terrorist or big oil) can shut the whole thing down. Every person buying some solar panels, every person buying their generation power via solar/wind/hydro buy-ins...
makes up the distributed grids...
MadHound (32,226 posts)
134. What percentage of the electricity produced in this country is done by green energy?
What percentage is produced by fossil fuels?
Oh, yeah, about fourteen percent, up from approximately four percent thirty years ago. That's not much of an increase. With the advent of fracking, big oil and gas is more entrenched than ever, and now able to buy even more politicians.
You can wish that we have this grand switch by 2039, but it simply isn't going to happen. Power is never relinquished willingly, and energy is power.
Mojorabbit (11,472 posts)
147. I agree with you. It would take a huge uprising
against the status quo and it will not happen. We will leave it till it is too late to do anything about it. I think the population is supposed to double by 2050. Just is not sustainable.
a geek named Bob (1,508 posts)
12. any group with varied talents...
as long as they've got the following:
-a medic
-a welder/fitter
-a grower
-someone with electrical training
I'm a medic.
So remember ladies: when the Alpacalypse hits take off your clothes and do what the nice medic tells you.
Wait!!
Did I see them advocating people being forced into farm work, you know like slaves or something. :fuelfire: :whistling:
My husband and I took a cross-country trip last year, going through the relatively unbeaten path through Idaho, Utah, Kansas. We were struck at how the country landscape has been ruined with windmills. They are everywhere, everywhere, everywhere and needless to say, major eyesores. I can only imagine the long-term maintenance costs must be astronomical.
I loathe windmills now, and even the primitives would too, if they got their heads out of their little urban NIMBY bubbles.
So, you're confronted by an overweight, middle-aged liberal with a neck-beard, a pair of crocs and a replica sword from Conan the Barbarian movie.
What do you do?
Those aren't eyesores. To DUmmies that have never been out of their mommies basement those are the magnificent rotating spiral branched "Redwoodicus" trees.
...and no crutch of the cuss word required.
:o :rofl:
Oh... wow... this website has amazing, amazing levels of snarkiness, and no crutch of the cuss word required.
I'm a medic.:-)
So remember ladies: when the Alpacalypse hits take off your clothes and do what the nice medic tells you.
My husband and I took a cross-country trip last year, going through the relatively unbeaten path through Idaho, Utah, Kansas. We were struck at how the country landscape has been ruined with windmills. They are everywhere, everywhere, everywhere and needless to say, major eyesores. I can only imagine the long-term maintenance costs must be astronomical.
I loathe windmills now, and even the primitives would too, if they got their heads out of their little urban NIMBY bubbles.
What's fun is when they do this;
(http://www.safesetbacks.com/page3/files/page3_2.jpg)
I've seen pictures of them burned slap to the ground. They like to ignite prairie fires too.