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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: Wretched Excess on May 26, 2008, 08:55:59 PM
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an effective way to make a very important point. obama goes on endlessly about his wonderful judgment,
but what are we to think about the judgment of a man that intentionally keeps himself from being exposed
to the facts on the ground regarding what will be a major issue in november? if he's smart, he'll haul his a$$
to iraq ASAP, and take people that would impart a phony air of credibility on the issue; webb, biden, maybe
even kerry. hmmm. slim pickings on the dem side of the aisle when you are looking for credibility on iraq. :-)
this is another example of something that hillary couldn't say during the primary (or get clobbered even worse),
that mccain will say again and again and again. I wonder how he will adapt to the change. he is going to have
to defend positions that she wouldn't attack, and from a direction that I don't think he is expecting.
McCain invites Obama to Iraq
DID someone say road trip?
Republican presidential nominee-in-waiting John McCain has offered to take his likely Democractic counterpart Barack Obama to Iraq to "educate him" on the real situation there.
Senator McCain has said Senator Obama has not been to Iraq in more than two years, since before the so-called troops surge announced by President George W. Bush at the start of 2007.
He has said the country has been transformed since then and Senator Obama cannot have a credible policy on Iraq unless he returns there to see the improvements in security.
"Look at what happened in the last two years since Senator Obama visited and declared the war lost," Senator McCain has told the Associated Press. "He really has no experience or knowledge or judgment about the issue of Iraq and he has wanted to surrender for a long time."
"If there was any other issue before the American people, and you hadn't had anything to do with it in a couple of years, I think the American people would judge that very harshly."
Senator McCain supports a long-term US military commitment in Iraq, but Senator Obama wants to start withdrawing troops.
The Republican candidate once spoke of a "100-year" deployment, but later claimed he was just using the figure to make the point that he was thinking many years ahead.
A supporter of Senator McCain floated the idea of a joint visit over the weekend. On cue, Senator McCain said he was supportive of the idea.
"I would also seize that opportunity to educate Senator Obama along the way," he said.
Iraq policy is shaping up as one of the key battlegrounds between the two sides in the November general election. Polls show most Americans oppose the war and its handling by Mr Bush.
Senator McCain, a former PoW, will seek to run as the national security candidate and paint Senator Obama as too inexperienced for the top job.
But before he deals with that, Senator Obama must fight his way past Hillary Clinton to formally claim the Democractic nomination. She too is painting him as too inexperienced to be trusted with the presidency.
A spokesman for Senator Obama did not directly accept or decline Senator McCain's offer.
link (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23765160-12377,00.html)
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I think Obama should go....but we know the ***** wont
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Oh, snap! At least McCain is calling them like he sees them.
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I think Obama should go....but we know the ***** wont
Nope. Every time a Dem goes over there, they come back singing a different tune.
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To paraphrase an all-time great movie line, "Come with me, Candidate Obama, I will show you where the Iron Crosses grow."
:popcorn:
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I think Obama should go....but we know the ***** wont
Nope. Every time a Dem goes over there, they come back singing a different tune.
Oh, they SEE a different tune. My moonbat critter still thinks we're yadda yadda yadda...all the while never leaving the Green Zone. Damn I wish someone would drag her worthless ass out on a patrol.
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So he hasn't been there in two years? Yes, I say road trip Oooobama.
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I think he may not be able to admit that iraq is a success, or his entire house of cards will come tumbling
down. he stresses "judgment" over "experience" because he can't claim any kind of relevant experience
without sounding completely absurd. and the primary support of his claim to superior judgement has always
been that he was "right on the war from the beginning". thus, if he admits iraq is a success, then he suddenly
becomes an empty sack as far as anything that even remotely qualifies him for the presidency. he may want
to stay as far away from iraq as he can; but mccain has him on the ropes on this one, either way.
and, hey, Baroque. don't worry. there's always "community organizer" :whatever:
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So he hasn't been there in two years? Yes, I say road trip Oooobama.
it's utterly unacceptable given his committee assignments, among them:
Senate Foreign Relations Committee
Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs
Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Senator Baroque (http://obama.senate.gov/committees/)
this guy just isn't even doing his freaking job.
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Obama is also usually MIA on afghanistan (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-absent-at-afghanistan-hearings-2008-03-01.html).
Obama absent at Afghanistan hearings
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who has come under fire about his readiness to be commander-in-chief, missed two of three Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings on Afghanistan since joining the panel.
Obama has said the U.S. should have stayed focused on fighting al Qaeda in Afghanistan while repeatedly criticizing his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), and presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) for their votes in favor of a resolution backing the Iraq war.
But since joining Foreign Relations, Obama has missed three meetings on a "new strategy" in Afghanistan, a country he has never visited.
Obama was absent from a January 31 meeting this year, and also was not present for a hearing on Sept. 21, 2006. He did attend a March 8, 2007 hearing on a new Afghanistan strategy.
On Feb. 15, 2007, Obama also missed a committee hearing on U.S. ambassadors to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Clinton has ratcheted up her criticisms of the Illinois senator's experience and readiness to be president in recent days, specifically targeting Obama's foreign policy credentials. In their last debate before Tuesday's critical primaries in Ohio and Texas, Clinton hit Obama for not holding any oversight hearings on Afghanistan on the European Affairs subcommittee, which Obama chairs.
McCain has also stepped up his attacks on the Democratic frontrunner, trying to paint him as weak on foreign policy.
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And when he is around, he seems to have trouble voting correctly!
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And when he is around, he seems to have trouble voting correctly!
hey, it's complicated. you got your "yes", and you got your "no". oh, and then you have to worry about "present". and don't criticize obama, it's racist! HE'S A UNITER, DAMMIT !11!!!!1!
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BWAHAHAHA!!! you keep saying that. I guess I should just "hope" that "change" jar has magic beans in it.
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BWAHAHAHA!!! you keep saying that. I guess I should just "hope" that "change" jar has magic beans in it.
Obama (sternly) : "lay off my change jar. that's part of the old washington way of doing things that I am here to fix."
*sound of electrical circuits shorting out*
attention, shoppers; we will be closing in 15 minutes. thank you for shopping at wal-mart.
this has been a recording.
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response from the obama campaign:
"John McCain's proposal is nothing more than a political stunt, and we don't need any more 'Mission Accomplished' banners or walks through Baghdad markets to know that Iraq's leaders have not made the political progress that was the stated purpose of the surge. The American people don't want any more false promises of progress, they deserve a real debate about a war that has overstretched our military, and cost us thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars without making us safer."
yeah, that's what we need . . . debate . . . talking . . . more uninformed pontificating from a guy that will meet with Ahmadinejad in Iran, but not Petreus in Iraq. :whatever:
coward.
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the GOP website has a new feature; a clock indicating how long it has been since Baroque Obama has been to iraq :871 days :-)
Obamaless in Iraq (http://gop.com/)
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http://usmilnet.com/smf/index.php/topic,13112.0.html
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http://usmilnet.com/smf/index.php/topic,13112.0.html
GMTA. :-)
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the mccain campaign is still on it's game, although it's interesting that in this story they reduced obama's dereliction of his duties
as a chairman of a foreign relations subcommittee into "pick[ing] up a Clinton attack line". :whatever:
MCCAIN UNLOADS ON OBAMA
RENO, Nev. -- McCain went after Obama at a town hall today, asking why Obama would sit down with Iran's president but won't sit down with the leader of our troops.
McCain also hit Obama over his one visit to Iraq and says the Illinois senator has "never seized the opportunity" to meet with Gen. Petraeus except for a hearing in Washington.
McCain argued that Obama has not done enough to learn what's happening on the ground. He read from an Obama campaign statement that dismissed McCain’s offer to visit Iraq together as a "political stunt."
“That is a profound misunderstanding of what's happened in Iraq and what's at stake in Iraq,†McCain retorted.
McCain also picked up a Clinton attack line that Obama has held no hearings on Afghanistan as chairman of a foreign relations subcommittee. Obama is chairman of the subcommittee on European Affairs, which, Clinton argued, could hold hearings on NATO, which has troops in Afghanistan.
The McCain campaign’s criticism of Obama’s single pre-surge trip to Iraq originated on Sunday, when surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham raised the issue and proposed a joint McCain-Obama trip to the region as a solution. (McCain has visited eight times to Obama’s one.)
McCain told the Associated Press on Monday that he would hope to use such a venture to “educate†Obama. Today, the Republican National Committee joined in, posting a clock of the days elapsed since the likely Democratic nominee visited Iraq.
McCain also reiterated that appeal in this gymnasium festooned with American flags, saying of the proposed trip with Obama, “I would be glad to go with him because these issues are far more important than any election. The security of this nation is far more important than any political campaign.â€
“I will never surrender in Iraq,†he added, “I will not let that happen.â€
linky (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/28/1072700.aspx)