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The Bar => Sports => Topic started by: Kyle Ricky on September 17, 2012, 11:29:57 PM
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Yeah, sure Manning is the greatest QB in history. He is one of the most over rated QB's in history.
Final score - Denver: 21, Falcons: 27
Passing: P. Manning (DEN) - 241 YDS, 1 TD, 3 INT
Rushing: W. McGahee (DEN) - 22 CAR, 113 YDS, 2 TD
Golden Boy Manning threw three interceptions in the first quarter. I will say because no one else will; Manning has too much hype following him.
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Broncos 1-1
Steelers 1-1
Cardinals 2-0
Clearly Kevin Kolb is better than Manning and Ben
A 6 point loss on the road hardly the end of the world, the Broncos are used to the 3 and outs of Tebow it will take a few games to get used to the hurry up offense of Manning
If you want to talk overrated, Terry Bradshaw is the most overrated QB in history
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Broncos 1-1
Steelers 1-1
Cardinals 2-0
Clearly Kevin Kolb is better than Manning and Ben
A 6 point loss on the road hardly the end of the world, the Broncos are used to the 3 and outs of Tebow it will take a few games to get used to the hurry up offense of Manning
If you want to talk overrated, Terry Bradshaw is the most overrated QB in history
I'm not saying that Ben is the great one this year. I am pointing out that Manning is too overrated.
And, yes, I agree with you on the fact that Terry Bradshaw was overrated as well. Being from the Pittsburgh area I hear about it all the time. Most people around Pittsburgh, who were old enough to remember, say Bradshaw was one of the worst quarter backs in history, it was the team that made him look good. Then those same people are still upset with him over the great fiasco of the 80's.
I don't know why I keep making overrated two words. DOH!
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If you want to talk overrated, Terry Bradshaw is the most overrated QB in history
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Yep, they don't come much worse, do they? :whatever:
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Yep, they don't come much worse, do they? :whatever:
I guess you don't understand what "overrated" means, it doesn't mean they were bad. It means they weren't as good are their reputation.
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I guess you don't understand what "overrated" means, it doesn't mean they were bad. It means they weren't as good are their reputation.
I am fully aware of what the term means. Heath Shuler was overrated, Vince Young was horribly overrated, the 2011 Clemson Tigers were grossly overrated.
In the context you are providing, juxtaposed against 4 Super Bowl victories (2 different back to back appearances) and 3 MVP awards (Super Bowls 13/14, 1978 NFL MVP), I don't think your assessment holds much water.
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Yeah, sure Manning is the greatest QB in history. He is one of the most over rated QB's in history.
Final score - Denver: 21, Falcons: 27
Passing: P. Manning (DEN) - 241 YDS, 1 TD, 3 INT
Rushing: W. McGahee (DEN) - 22 CAR, 113 YDS, 2 TD
Golden Boy Manning threw three interceptions in the first quarter. I will say because no one else will; Manning has too much hype following him.
McNabb might give him a run for, "most overrated QB". :-)
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I am fully aware of what the term means. Heath Shuler was overrated, Vince Young was horribly overrated, the 2011 Clemson Tigers were grossly overrated.
In the context you are providing, juxtaposed against 4 Super Bowl victories (2 different back to back appearances) and 3 MVP awards (Super Bowls 13/14, 1978 NFL MVP), I don't think your assessment holds much water.
You are the one whos overrating him. Look at that team. Joe Greene 10 pro bowls, Mike Webster 9 Pro bowls, Franco Harris 9 pro bowls, Jack Lambert, 9 pro bowls, Jack Ham 8 pro bowls, LC Greenwood 6 pro bowls, Mel Blount 5 pro bowls, Donnie Shell 5 pro bowls, John Stallworth 4 pro bowls, Lynn Swan 3 pro bowls, Terry Bradshaw 3 pro bowls.
Yes Bradshaw won 4 SBs but hes not even close to the best player on the team.
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Yes Bradshaw won 4 SBs but hes not even close to the best player on the team.
Never said he was the best, just saying he's not overrated. The four Super Bowls are a testament to how well he can lead a team, particularly an offense. The three MVP selections kinda proves the point that his reputation is not that far from what was his real ability.
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McNabb might give him a run for, "most overrated QB". :-)
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Yeah, that I can kinda agree with.
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Never said he was the best, just saying he's not overrated. The four Super Bowls are a testament to how well he can lead a team, particularly an offense. The three MVP selections kinda proves the point that his reputation is not that far from what was his real ability.
QB did not have the same importance (as a position or as an automatic team leader) back than as it does today and the MVP doesnt prove hes great Rich Gannon won an MVP.
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Yeah, sure Manning is the greatest QB in history. He is one of the most over rated QB's in history.
Final score - Denver: 21, Falcons: 27
Passing: P. Manning (DEN) - 241 YDS, 1 TD, 3 INT
Rushing: W. McGahee (DEN) - 22 CAR, 113 YDS, 2 TD
Golden Boy Manning threw three interceptions in the first quarter. I will say because no one else will; Manning has too much hype following him.
Really?
Manning played college football at the University of Tennessee, leading the Volunteers to the 1997 SEC Championship in his senior season. He was chosen by the Indianapolis Colts with the first overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft. From 1998 to 2010, he led the Colts to eight, seven AFC South and one AFC East, division championships, two AFC championships, and to a Super Bowl championship (Super Bowl XLI). He has won a record four league most valuable player awards,[1] was the most valuable player of Super Bowl XLI, has been named to eleven Pro Bowls, has eleven 4,000-yard passing seasons (including a record six straight),[2][3] and is the Indianapolis Colts' all-time leader in passing yards (54,828) and touchdown passes (399). In 2009, he was named the best player in the NFL[2][3] and Fox Sports along with Sports Illustrated named him the NFL player of the decade of the 2000s.
He's with a new team, they aren't familiar with his skills nor is he familiar with theirs. They are 1-2 and 2nd in their division. And already you are bitchin'. If this was the end of the season or next year and the Broncos were suckin' pond water, then you would be justified in bitching.
But to say that Peyton is "overrated" already?
Too soon to make a judgement.
Oh, and yes, I AM a Peyton Manning fan. :-)
I will agree that Heath was overrated. He got lucky here at UT, but wasn't up to the pro caliber needed to succeed.
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QB did not have the same importance (as a position or as an automatic team leader) back than as it does today
Where do you think that "importance" started?
and the MVP doesnt prove hes great Rich Gannon won an MVP.
True, NFL MVP doesn't always equal "great". You need some championship hardware (4 rings, anyone?) and Super Bowl MVP awards (back to back helps) to help bolster your reputation and legacy. Rich Gannon's stats are conspicuously absent of either those two things which, I believe, separates Terry Bradshaw from him by a pretty great distance.
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McNabb might give him a run for, "most overrated QB". :-)
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Yes, is he ever.
Really?
He's with a new team, they aren't familiar with his skills nor is he familiar with theirs. They are 1-2 and 2nd in their division. And already you are bitchin'. If this was the end of the season or next year and the Broncos were suckin' pond water, then you would be justified in bitching.
But to say that Peyton is "overrated" already?
Too soon to make a judgement.
Oh, and yes, I AM a Peyton Manning fan. :-)
I will agree that Heath was overrated. He got lucky here at UT, but wasn't up to the pro caliber needed to succeed.
Doesn't hold water to Ben's record. Manning has too much hype following him.
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I guess you don't understand what "overrated" means, it doesn't mean they were bad. It means they weren't as good are their reputation.
You have got to be joking right????
There are only two (2) QB's that have won back to back MVP's in the Super Bowl. Bart Starr and Bradshaw. Bradshaw is the ONLY QB that has won back to back Super Bowls TWICE (2) in the HISTORY of the game in 1974-75 and 78-79. A feat that will never be repeated IMO.
I know these events are way before your time but I actually watched Bradshaw play many of these games. So, I do not have to rely on replays or some numbnut reporter or newsprint. He was a great player and was certainly not overrated. .
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Where do you think that "importance" started?
Not with Bradshaw, he threw 212 TDs and 210 INTs, that would be no where near acceptable for a "great" QB today.
True, NFL MVP doesn't always equal "great". You need some championship hardware (4 rings, anyone?) and Super Bowl MVP awards (back to back helps) to help bolster your reputation and legacy. Rich Gannon's stats are conspicuously absent of either those two things which, I believe, separates Terry Bradshaw from him by a pretty great distance.
Gannon didnt have a team of HOFers to carry him to the SBs like Bradshaw did. Im not saying Gannon is better than Bradshaw or that Bradshaw wasnt a good QB but hes not the GOAT you think he is. Here is exactly what I mean by overrated, the NFL network ranked Bradshaw the 50th best player of all-time, the "fans" ranked him 22nd. I think Bradshaw is a lot closer to the 50th best player than the 22nd. Therefore I think he is overrated.
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You have got to be joking right????
There are only two (2) QB's that have won back to back MVP's in the Super Bowl. Bart Starr and Bradshaw. Bradshaw is the ONLY QB that has won back to back Super Bowls TWICE (2) in the HISTORY of the game in 1974-75 and 78-79. A feat that will never be repeated IMO.
I know these events are way before your time but I actually watched Bradshaw play many of these games. So, I do not have to rely on replays or some numbnut reporter or newsprint. He was a great player and was certainly not overrated. .
So the best QBs of all time are Starr and Bradshaw?
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The best QB of all time sure as heck isn't Manning. He isn't even close to being the best.
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The best QB of all time sure as heck isn't Manning. He isn't even close to being the best.
Were would you rank him? would he make the top 10?
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Were would you rank him? would he make the top 10?
Nope. Maybe the top 20.
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Nope. Maybe the top 20.
Really you think there have been 20 better QBs than Manning? Id love to see that list
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Really you think there have been 20 better QBs than Manning? Id love to see that list
Top 5:
1) Joe Montanna
2) John Elway
3) Dan Marino
4) Steve Young
5) Tom Brady
Honorable mention: (Still better than Manning)
In no particular order
Terry Bradshaw
Kurt Warner
Warren Moon
Jim Kelly
Troy Aikman
Brett Favre
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Top 5:
1) Joe Montanna
2) John Elway
3) Dan Marino
4) Steve Young
5) Tom Brady
Honorable mention: (Still better than Manning)
In no particular order
Terry Bradshaw
Kurt Warner
Warren Moon
Jim Kelly
Troy Aikman
Brett Favre
No Unitas? and Theres no way any of your honorable mentions other than Favre is better then Manning
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No Unitas? and Theres no way any of your honorable mentions other than Favre is better then Manning
I forgot about Unitas. You can also add Bob Griese, Roman Gabriel, Norm Van Brocklin, Sonny Jurgensen, and Y.A Tittle in there as well they are/were all better than Manning.
My point is that Manning has way too much hype, when you look at all the greats before him. He doesn't compare. The only reason why he is getting so much press and ass kissing is because he is a major cash cow for the NFL. If he wasn't breing so much money in for them, they wouldn't even look at him.
And looking at he some of the greats from the past. They weren't paid nearly as much as the players are today. Back then it was for the love of the game. Today is for the money. A person getting an NFL contract is like winning the lottery. Of course most of them end up going broke because they have no sense of management or responsibility.
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I forgot about Unitas. You can also add Bob Griese, Roman Gabriel, Norm Van Brocklin, Sonny Jurgensen, and Y.A Tittle in there as well they are/were all better than Manning.
My point is that Manning has way too much hype, when you look at all the greats before him. He doesn't compare. The only reason why he is getting so much press and ass kissing is because he is a major cash cow for the NFL. If he wasn't breing so much money in for them, they wouldn't even look at him.
Thats laughable, he compares favorably to most the greats before him. Hes got 4 MVPs, 5 all-pro's, 11 pro bowls, 3rd all time in Yards, TDs and completions, 2nd all time in game winning drives., 4th all-time in wins as a starting QB (he will be 2nd by the end of the year). Even as a big cowboy fan I know hes better than Aikman and Staubach
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Thats laughable, he compares favorably to most the greats before him. Hes got 4 MVPs, 5 all-pro's, 11 pro bowls, 3rd all time in Yards, TDs and completions, 2nd all time in game winning drives., 4th all-time in wins as a starting QB (he will be 2nd by the end of the year). Even as a big cowboy fan I know hes better than Aikman and Staubach
I can count on one or two fingers the number of teams who wouldn't trade their current QB for Manning in his prime. To me, the greatest of all time list would look something like this:
1) Elway
2) Unitas
3) Manning
4) Marino
5) Favre
6) Montana
7) Brady
8) Staubach
9) Bradshaw
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So the best QBs of all time are Starr and Bradshaw?
Let''s see. I have been watching teams/players for over 60 years compared to your 15.
BTW, I never said they were the best. I say both are great. Being the best is extremely subjective.
You were the one that said Bradshaw was overrated and I proved you wrong by my previous post.
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I can count on one or two fingers the number of teams who wouldn't trade their current QB for Manning in his prime. To me, the greatest of all time list would look something like this:
1) Elway
2) Unitas
3) Manning
4) Marino
5) Favre
6) Montana
7) Brady
8) Staubach
9) Bradshaw
Thats pretty close to my list, Id put Montanna higher and Elway lower (in fact Id just flip where you have them) and the early era QBs (Baugh, Graham, and Luckman) ahead of Staubach and Bradshaw
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You were the one that said Bradshaw was overrated and I proved you wrong by my previous post.
No you didnt you can be great AND overrated. I point to my previous post
the NFL network ranked Bradshaw the 50th best player of all-time, the "fans" ranked him 22nd. I think Bradshaw is a lot closer to the 50th best player than the 22nd. Therefore I think he is overrated.
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Thats pretty close to my list, Id put Montanna higher and Elway lower (in fact Id just flip where you have them) and the early era QBs (Baugh, Graham, and Luckman) ahead of Staubach and Bradshaw
I was thinking of putting Graham at ten.
I think I was spoiled as a kid because when I was growing up, Favre, Elway, Marino, Aikman and Young were playing. They would all be somewhere in my top 25 or 30.
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There should be no discussion but that Montana was the best QB ever and one of the best to play the game at any position.
You might make arguments that Unitas, Starr, and a couple of others were the best ever but no way is ANYONE that was on that list before Montana in ANY way to be in that list.
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No you didnt you can be great AND overrated. I point to my previous post
And I point to a record that will never ever be broken and that is back to back S.B. wins twice. No one will ever accomplish that.
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And I point to a record that will never ever be broken and that is back to back S.B. wins twice. No one will ever accomplish that.
And that has nothing to do with Terry Bradshaw and everything to do with free agency, salary caps and steroid testing
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There should be no discussion but that Montana was the best QB ever and one of the best to play the game at any position.
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Nope. Montana could not hold Walter Peyton's or Bart Starr jock strap.
Now don't get into one of your immature rages.
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Oh, now, will ya look at that!!! 30/38, 338 yards, 3 TD's, no picks!
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Oh, now, will ya look at that!!! 30/38, 338 yards, 3 TD's, no picks!
Not too shabby for an overrated QB.... :whistling:
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Not with Bradshaw, he threw 212 TDs and 210 INTs, that would be no where near acceptable for a "great" QB today.
The key word being "today". In the 1970's, it was enough to carry the Steelers to 8 AFC Championships and 4 Super Bowl titles. "Today", you won't find another QB that can make that happen.
But, since the subject was not how many TDs vs INTs were thrown, lets go back and review, shall we?
The four Super Bowls are a testament to how well he can lead a team, particularly an offense.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,78256.msg956555.html#msg956555
QB did not have the same importance (as a position or as an automatic team leader) back than as it does today
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,78256.msg956559.html#msg956559
Where do you think that "importance" started?
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,78256.msg956579.html#msg956579
Leadership of an offense falls to the man calling the signals. In the 1970s, the role of QB began to evolve into a greater leadership role thanks to men like Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, etc. What you see today is a direct result of the way the game evolved through the late 60s and all of the 70s. I know this because I'm old enough to remember watching those guys play and seeing the resultant evolution of the game.
Your posted stats have nothing to do with leadership, the game "today" notwithstanding.
Gannon didnt have a team of HOFers to carry him to the SBs like Bradshaw did.
No, not a whole team, just two (Jerry Rice, Rod Woodson). Brad Johnson had none and managed to win Super Bowl XXXVII and how did he do that? On the field leadership and execution. Orchestrating the talents and focus of 10 other individuals while doing his own job.
Im not saying Gannon is better than Bradshaw or that Bradshaw wasnt a good QB
No, you're using Gannon as a degrading and diminishing element to bolster an argument that doesn't match reality.
but hes not the GOAT you think he is.
I've been a Steelers fan all of my life, I watched him play, I don't need you to tell me what I think - I watched and evaluated for myself.
Here is exactly what I mean by overrated, the NFL network ranked Bradshaw the 50th best player of all-time, the "fans" ranked him 22nd. I think Bradshaw is a lot closer to the 50th best player than the 22nd. Therefore I think he is overrated.
Personal observation, personal perspective, lifelong fan of the game, see above post.
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Thats laughable, he compares favorably to most the greats before him. Hes got 4 MVPs
the MVP doesnt prove hes great Rich Gannon won an MVP.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,78256.msg956559.html#msg956559
Interesting.... Are you familiar with the term "cognitive dissonance"?
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I've been a Steelers fan all of my life
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Steelers fan butt hurt because everyone doesnt worship the bald god, nothing to see here
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Steelers fan butt hurt because everyone doesnt worship the bald god, nothing to see here
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Pathetic, Tex, really pathetic. How old are you, 12?
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Pathetic, Tex, really pathetic. How old are you, 12?
You are the pathetic one trying tooth and nail to defend your boy from being called overrated, which I have already proved he is because the fans rank Bradshaw MUCH higher than the NFL analysts
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You are the pathetic one trying tooth and nail to defend your boy from being called overrated, which I have already proved he is because the fans rank Bradshaw MUCH higher than the NFL analysts
Are you kidding? Two polls prove your point? Not the actual history, results, etc?
ETA: Nevermind, you're a Dallas fan, I now know the root of your criticism...
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Are you kidding? Two polls prove your point? Not the actual history, results, etc?
There you go again... you clearly have no clue what overrated means
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There you go again... you clearly have no clue what overrated means
And you have never seen him play except on replays. That is a fact and way before your time, Junior. Kinda pathetic with your biased analysis. Next you will be telling us that Romo is better.
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And you have never seen him play except on replays. That is a fact and way before your time, Junior. Kinda pathetic with your biased analysis. Next you will be telling us that Romo is better.
Right, a life long Steeler fan who idol was Terry Bradshaw is clearly unbiased. Grumpy old men overrating old palyers talking about the good old days. Dont break a hip gramps.
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There you go again... you clearly have no clue what overrated means
Nevermind, you're a Dallas fan, I now know the root of your criticism...
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,78256.msg957792.html#msg957792
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And you have never seen him play except on replays. That is a fact and way before your time, Junior. Kinda pathetic with your biased analysis.
Don't you just love children when they think they know everything? Nothing is quite as charming, is it?
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Next you will be telling us that Romo is better.
Yeah, no shit. Talk about overrated...
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Right, a life long Steeler fan who idol was Terry Bradshaw is clearly unbiased.
My idol? Where did you pick that up, boy? Terry Bradshaw is no idol to me, he's just a hell of a lot better than what you think.
And bias? What bias? I actually watched the 70s Steelers play, you didn't. I have experience and perspective. You have two polls that mean about jack shit when it comes to history and reality but I'm somehow biased? A butt-hurt Dallas fan criticizing a team he's never watched play isn't?
Sure, kid, whatever you say....
Grumpy old men overrating old palyers talking about the good old days. Dont break a hip gramps.
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Don't you just love children when they think they know everything? Nothing is quite as charming, is it?
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Yeah, no shit. Talk about overrated...
Bradshaw is rated higher than Staubach. Talk about an overated QB that only won 2 SB while Terry won 4
Romo will never win a SB cause he chokes in Dec and Jan. His record in those two months is 17 wins and 17 losses. Last night was a pathetic showing.
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Bradshaw is rated higher than Staubach. Talk about an overated QB that only won 2 SB while Terry won 4
Romo will never win a SB cause he chokes in Dec and Jan. His record in those two months is 17 wins and 17 losses. Last night was a pathetic showing.
You know, the funny thing is that I can't really remember a quarterback in the 70s that you could truly consider overrated. Joe Namath comes close but even he lived up to a lot of his hype for a while. I'll give Staubach his due, the man was one Hell of a QB as well as a human being.
What this infantile pillock is basing his opinion on (other than just being a contrary, punk ass Cowboys fan) amounts to nothing when it contacts reality. A four time Super Bowl winner? Both times back to back? Back to back Super Bowl MVP's? Overrated?!? C'mon! What the Hell do you have to be smoking to come to that conclusion?
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Don't you just love children when they think they know everything? Nothing is quite as charming, is it?
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The only thing worse is "Cowboys fans" who live in the Philly area. Ever run into any of these losers when you're up here, wasp? Talk about needing a beat-down . . . know-nothing bandwagoneers, only they don't even have a bandwagon onto which to jump anymore.
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The only thing worse is "Cowboys fans" who live in the Philly area.
You actually have those up that way?
Ever run into any of these losers when you're up here, wasp?
No, ma'am, I can't say that I have. The only experience I have had with the fine people of Philadelphia is with the Eagles fans. I don't hide the fact that I have been a lifelong Steelers fan and that I am a rabid WVU fan (which only matters to the elderly since WVU and Temple really don't play anymore), and have never had a problem. Quite the opposite, they've been wonderful.
Talk about needing a beat-down . . . know-nothing bandwagoneers, only they don't even have a bandwagon onto which to jump anymore.
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You actually have those up that way?
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^ yes this! :lol: Although I can cut some slack and give them the whole state of TX before I call BS on their Boyz "fandom". I imagine quite a few are now sporting Texans jerseys however :-) Steelers - Eagles this Sunday!
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Steelers - Eagles this Sunday!
Ah, the Battle of Pennsylvania! I honestly thought that Super Bowl XXXIX was going to be played between those two. What a game that would have been.
Ah, well...
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You know, the funny thing is that I can't really remember a quarterback in the 70s that you could truly consider overrated. Joe Namath comes close but even he lived up to a lot of his hype for a while. I'll give Staubach his due, the man was one Hell of a QB as well as a human being.
What this infantile pillock is basing his opinion on (other than just being a contrary, punk ass Cowboys fan) amounts to nothing when it contacts reality. A four time Super Bowl winner? Both times back to back? Back to back Super Bowl MVP's? Overrated?!? C'mon! What the Hell do you have to be smoking to come to that conclusion?
We know he can read though.
Junior missed some of the best football played in the 50's, 60's and 70's. The QB's for the most part called the plays rather than an offensive coach in the pressbox relaying the call to the coach on the field. Kinda looks looks fruit to me when the coach is hiding his face so the other team can not lip read the call. Same deal with the defensive coach calling the formation. Then there is the face mask the old time QB wore. Not those full/partial ones of today. The QB back then did not have the rules protecting them like today. Pretty boys like Romo and Brady would be missing some teeth. But I am sure none of that is recorded in the stats.
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Ah, the Battle of Pennsylvania! I honestly thought that Super Bowl XXXIX was going to be played between those two. What a game that would have been.
Ah, well...
Ugh, that Supe makes me ill to this day, McNabb puking during it notwithstanding! :puke: Stupid Chunky Soup! :-)
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Then there is the face mask the old time QB wore. Not those full/partial ones of today. The QB back then did not have the rules protecting them like today. Pretty boys like Romo and Brady would be missing some teeth. But I am sure none of that is recorded in the stats.
Yeah, it's no wonder these QBs can put up the numbers they do. If you don't have "Mean" Joe Greene or Randy White kicking you in the face, you tend to stay healthier and throw farther.
After the strike in '82, the game went way downhill.
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Ugh, that Supe makes me ill to this day, McNabb puking during it notwithstanding! :puke: Stupid Chunky Soup! :-)
:lmao: Yeah, I remember that..
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We know he can read though.
Junior missed some of the best football played in the 50's, 60's and 70's. The QB's for the most part called the plays rather than an offensive coach in the pressbox relaying the call to the coach on the field. Kinda looks looks fruit to me when the coach is hiding his face so the other team can not lip read the call. Same deal with the defensive coach calling the formation. Then there is the face mask the old time QB wore. Not those full/partial ones of today. The QB back then did not have the rules protecting them like today. Pretty boys like Romo and Brady would be missing some teeth. But I am sure none of that is recorded in the stats.
Oh yes what a feat calling plays that wouldnt even pass for a high school play book today, Terry was such a smart guy what was that saying about him? He couldnt spell cat if you spotted him the "C" and the "A"
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You know, Tex, I really don't get into the whole football team pissing contests, but being able to swat your strutting ignorance around was just too much of a temptation. I truly appreciate the entertaining diversion you have provided.
Oh yes what a feat calling plays that wouldnt even pass for a high school play book today
If that's the case, why didn't Dallas do better?
Terry was such a smart guy what was that saying about him? He couldnt spell cat if you spotted him the "C" and the "A"
Before Super Bowl XIII, a Steelers-Cowboys rematch, Cowboys linebacker Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson famously ridiculed Bradshaw by saying, "He couldn't spell 'Cat' if you spotted him the 'c' and the 'a'." Bradshaw got his revenge by winning the Most Valuable Player award, completing 17 of 30 passes for a then-record 318 yards and four touchdowns in a 35-31 win. Years later, Henderson, who struggled for years to conquer drug addiction, admitted he was high on cocaine at the time of the interview.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Bradshaw
Heh, not bad for a dumbass, huh?
And just what type of guy was "Hollywood"?
In November 1983, Henderson was arrested for smoking cocaine with two teenage girls in California. He was accused of threatening with a gun and sexually assaulting them. He claimed that he gave them drugs in exchange for consensual sex. He pleaded no contest to the charges and served eight months in court-ordered drug rehabilitation as well as two years in prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_%22Hollywood%22_Henderson
Ah, I see, one of the predecessors of punkass, coked-out Cowboys that run their mouths better than they play football. Too bad he couldn't keep his suck muscle shut, he might not have made such a fool of himself.
But at least he had a cool nickname, right? No Texas team is complete without a coke fiend named "Hollywood", right, Tex?
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Okay, THAT was epic.
And the Sox STILL suck. And will continue to do so, Valentine getting fired won't make a shit bit of difference.
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OMG...that was hilarious! Thanks for the laugh formerlurker....I needed it after that horrible game by my Bravos last night.
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Oh, now, will ya look at that!!! 30/38, 338 yards, 3 TD's, no picks!
31/44, 345 yards, 3 TDs and no picks this week. Pretty good for an overrated old man with a noodle arm if he only had a defense
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If that's the case, why didn't Dallas do better?
better than what? making the playoffs 18 out of 20 years.
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Now THAT was funny! HAHAHAHAHA! Vick: "Ima kill you Manning." Manning: "Yeah, you'll probably miss and hit a DB instead." :rotf: (I hate Vick) Funny as hell! :-)
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better than what?
Two Super Bowl victories. And by historical record, Dallas is still Pittsburgh's bitch at 2 to 1 when they've played in the big game.
making the playoffs 18 out of 20 years.
Any idea what "almost" counts for, Tex?