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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Carl on May 26, 2008, 12:08:43 PM
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Smith_3 (603 posts) Mon May-26-08 11:00 AM
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Is it right to have a holiday in memory of US soldiers that excludes their victims?
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I wonder about that. So the Memorial Day is for remembering American soldiers. Only problem is that America has not been involved in a "legitimate" war for over fifty years. So, if you wanna have a day remembering them, isn't it a little respectless to those that were the victims of the unjust wars, if they are not included in the remembering?
Just to make my point more visual: I hearby bring a toast to the brave German warriors that fell in world war two . Some of them might have been nazis, but the majority were not. I leave it to others to toast for Russians, French or Jews. They are not my concern.
Is that appropriate?
I am guessing the thread will be sent away as a few realize speaking the inner truth of DUmmieland is bad.
supernova (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:09 AM
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6. Stupid or shit stirrer, take your pick
dmordue (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:09 AM
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7. Fox would love this post to paint democrats
wienerdoggie (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:15 AM
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9. Holy Jesus. Go to hell.
MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:18 AM
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11. What a jerkish post
Never fear...most are too DUmb to know how to cover up the primitive mindset.
tuckessee (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:36 AM
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13. Good job!
You've angered the flag humping, troop jock sniffing crowd on a day when they think they can run around feeling superior than thou.
These people prefer to think in meaningless slogans like "Thank you for their service" instead of actually understanding the swath of broken bodies and nations left in wake of America's military follies.
People should be more specific when heaping platitudes on warriors.
It would be more accurate to say "Thanks for killing a million or so Vietnamese for no good reason" or "Thanks volunteering to fight an illegal war based on obvious lies" or "Thanks for adding My Lai, Agent Orange, Free fire zones, Haditha, Abu Grahib and Fallujah to the annals of US military history" etc.
Finn Polke (9 posts) Mon May-26-08 12:01 PM
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20. Honor Draft resisters, then, maybe...
Memorial Day is a good time to express opinions about war, the soldiers who fought in them, all the people who died in them, etc.
So, your folks served in Vietnam, eh? And now, your old man views that war as a bad thing. You claim that neither they nor many other young people at the time knew any better, the were simply following orders.
Ok. I don't know your parents, they might be really decent people, not saying they are not. But, what about the young people who protested the war against Vietnam and who resisted the draft? As soon as THAT group of fighters is honored with a national holiday I'll be more inclined to volunteer to say thanks to any service person no matter what he or she did or thought.
Actually, I probably won't, but...you get my point.
Jake3463 (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 12:17 PM
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21. Like it or not
Edited on Mon May-26-08 12:19 PM by Jake3463
This country has a history of war. Some were just and some were unjust.
My father was an honorable man he did what at the time he felt was right. Alot of the people who protested the war in the 60's regret their target of the soldiers vs. the government and alot of the people who served regret the war.
My father was spit on upon and insulted on his return and thanks to those actions he mistrusted liberals his entire life. So they did a heck of a job alienating people with their actions even though he agreed with alot of liberal principles.
The enemy was not the people fighting on either sides it was the Military Industrial Complex Eisenhower warned about who profited from the war. The kids were just tools in that complex.
Like it or not Military service is a way that some people get pulled out of their economic situations in this society. I wish there were other ways but for some kids its the only option.
I'll honor the ones who went to jail under principle. Not the ones who fled to Canada. Civil disobedience is not Civil Disobedience without consequences.
maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 12:24 PM
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22. dear OP: people don't like sacred cow tipping.
the inability to have a civil debate about our country's unquestioning militarism is one reason why the march to the iraq war was a cakewalk for the * administration propagandists. their case was a tissue-thin patchwork of lies, it was transparently absurd, yet they had 90% public approval.
americans are primed to view individual valor & sacrifice as legitimizing the larger endeavor of a war. this is why john kerry couldn't apply his assessment of vietnam to iraq during the campaign: How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake? it was true, but it made people FEEL BAD. can't have that, especially on a day that's meant to make them FEEL GOOD about their sacrifice & loss.
i always direct my memorial day thanks to conscripts & draftees. they had no choice.
Since there hasn`t been a draft in over 30 years you are pissing on the service of all those that have volunteered.
**** you. :bird:
Bob Dobbs (112 posts) Mon May-26-08 12:35 PM
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23. War is the single most counterproductive tool of diplomacy.
All wars are world power elite scams to centralize power and capital in elite control.
American soldiers (and, indeed all soldiers worldwide) are victims of this mass nationalistic hysteria created by the elites.
Deification of the warriors only contributes to the destructive mythology of jus ad bellum.
Support the troops, end the madness of war.
Argue that with those that want you dead (real enemies,not those in your imagination) just because.
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Finn Polke (9 posts) Mon May-26-08 12:01 PM
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20. Honor Draft resisters, then, maybe...
Memorial Day is a good time to express opinions about war, the soldiers who fought in them, all the people who died in them, etc.
So, your folks served in Vietnam, eh? And now, your old man views that war as a bad thing. You claim that neither they nor many other young people at the time knew any better, the were simply following orders.
Ok. I don't know your parents, they might be really decent people, not saying they are not. But, what about the young people who protested the war against Vietnam and who resisted the draft?
As soon as THAT group of fighters is honored with a national holiday I'll be more inclined to volunteer to say thanks to any service person no matter what he or she did or thought.
Actually, I probably won't, but...you get my point.
The group in bold and liberal F***tards in general are the reason we need to bring back the gallows :fuelfire:
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WTF are they talking about .We,the United States have hollidays for those we have defeated.
VE Day
VJ Day
Veterans Day/Armistace Day
August 6th and August 8th
But yet the DUmpmonkies forget we also have days like these.
Memorial Day
December 7th
July 4th
There is nothing the United States could do forthem that will ever make them happy so we should send their asses to ol Vladimir Putin and have them work for him . Lets see how they end up loving it under his rule for awhile
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"Just to make my point more visual: I hearby bring a toast to the brave German warriors that fell in world war two . Some of them might have been nazis, but the majority were not. I leave it to others to toast for Russians, French or Jews. They are not my concern."
Wow .Not only a racist but a real jew hater.
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Smith_3 (603 posts) Mon May-26-08 11:00 AM
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Is it right to have a holiday in memory of US soldiers that excludes their victims?
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I wonder about that. So the Memorial Day is for remembering American soldiers. Only problem is that America has not been involved in a "legitimate" war for over fifty years. So, if you wanna have a day remembering them, isn't it a little respectless to those that were the victims of the unjust wars, if they are not included in the remembering?
Just to make my point more visual: I hearby bring a toast to the brave German warriors that fell in world war two . Some of them might have been nazis, but the majority were not. I leave it to others to toast for Russians, French or Jews. They are not my concern.
Is that appropriate?
What, the Japanese get no play time people? There was a whole Pacific theater to that war that never garners the attention that the Nazis do. Must have been the uniforms or something. It's always Auschwitz this, and Hitler that.... Japan had some barbaric torture camps too.. Jeez, what's a revisionist apologist historian to do?
The mindset of these bunch of misfits never ceases to amaze me.
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"Just to make my point more visual: I hearby bring a toast to the brave German warriors that fell in world war two . Some of them might have been nazis, but the majority were not. I leave it to others to toast for Russians, French or Jews. They are not my concern."
Wow .Not only a racist but a real jew hater.
Nah, the misfit is equating our American soldiers to Nazis - with Memorial Day glorifying the Nazis, when it is the Russians, French and Jews that were the victims and should be remembered.
I guess that this creten is looking for an OBL day here in the U.S.
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They never cease to amaze me. Grave dancing on the very people who made it possible for them to live in freedom and post asshatted comments on DU.
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I bet the Jews being slaughtered in Germany in the 1940's didn't think WWII was counterproductive, nor did they give a sh*t as they were walking to their deaths that diplomacy with the Germans had fallen apart. :hammer:
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Go to hell, ****ing ungrateful scum bags.
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"Just to make my point more visual: I hearby bring a toast to the brave German warriors that fell in world war two . Some of them might have been nazis, but the majority were not. I leave it to others to toast for Russians, French or Jews. They are not my concern."
Wow .Not only a racist but a real jew hater.
Can't tell; the dipshit did one post in the whole thread and doesn't say anything actually negative about Jews, just noting that he apparently isn't one but perhaps is an ethnic German, or for some other reason identifies with them.
He's an idiot, who clearly does not understand what the whole point of Memorial Day is. Perhaps someone got bored and burned a 600-post mole, or he is just some damn' furriner, hard to say.
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:36 AM
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13. Good job!
You've angered the flag humping, troop jock sniffing crowd on a day when they think they can run around feeling superior than thou.
God, if you're listening...please give me five minutes alone in a broom closet with this ungrateful scum.
And I'd like to bring along my baseball bat too.
I know that vengeance is your Lord...but can we make an exception just this once?
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Go to hell, ****ing ungrateful scum bags.
My sentiments exactly.
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intheflow DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Mon May-26-08 12:53 PM
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25. Locking.
This is an insensitive, distasteful post.
Gee. Ya think?
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intheflow DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Mon May-26-08 12:53 PM
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25. Locking.
This is an insensitive, distasteful post.
Gee. Ya think?
How they hate having the sun shine on the island revealing their true condition. :-)
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intheflow DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)
Mon May-26-08 12:53 PM
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25. Locking.
This is an insensitive, distasteful post.
Gee. Ya think?
How they hate having the sun shine on the island revealing their true condition. :-)
They're like cockroaches.
(My profound apologies to all the cockroaches out there insulted by the comparison.)
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:36 AM
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13. Good job!
You've angered the flag humping, troop jock sniffing crowd on a day when they think they can run around feeling superior than thou.
God, if you're listening...please give me five minutes alone in a broom closet with this ungrateful scum.
And I'd like to bring along my baseball bat too.
I know that vengeance is your Lord...but can we make an exception just this once?
And a pipe. And rope and anything else found in a hardware store. We ask for so little.
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:36 AM
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13. Good job!
You've angered the flag humping, troop jock sniffing crowd on a day when they think they can run around feeling superior than thou.
God, if you're listening...please give me five minutes alone in a broom closet with this ungrateful scum.
And I'd like to bring along my baseball bat too.
I know that vengeance is your Lord...but can we make an exception just this once?
If He allows it, Sarge, . . . vengeance is still His--He's just using you as the instrument. That is what you ask for--to be His instrument. A percussion instrument.
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Can you imagine how this meeting would go?
tuckessee (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:36 AM
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13. "Thanks for killing a million or so Vietnamese for no good reason" or "Thanks volunteering to fight an illegal war based on obvious lies" or "Thanks for adding My Lai, Agent Orange, Free fire zones, Haditha, Abu Grahib and Fallujah to the annals of US military history" etc.
*BAM*
You're welcome, you filthy assed hippy.
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If He allows it, Sarge, . . . vengeance is still His--He's just using you as the instrument. That is what you ask for--to be His instrument. A percussion instrument.
Yes yes you are correct. Thank you for the clarification.
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**** you :bird: **** you :bird: **** you, you ****ing stupid **** :bird:
These stoopid ****ers are no smarter than Obama and him seeing dead people :bird:
**** you all.........................and GOD, please allow the sarge and others to be your hand of vengance for just five minutes with these ungrateful pieces of twice eatin poo flung by their liberal ****ing troop hating anti American hippie piece of shit ****wads
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:36 AM
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13. Good job!
You've angered the flag humping, troop jock sniffing crowd on a day when they think they can run around feeling superior than thou.
God, if you're listening...please give me five minutes alone in a broom closet with this ungrateful scum.
And I'd like to bring along my baseball bat too.
I know that vengeance is your Lord...but can we make an exception just this once?
And a pipe. And rope and anything else found in a hardware store. We ask for so little.
I'm thinking a little rope, knotted about the size of a fist at the end with nails driven through it. It's an evil thought, yet somehow refreshing.
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Mon May-26-08 11:36 AM
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13. Good job!
You've angered the flag humping, troop jock sniffing crowd on a day when they think they can run around feeling superior than thou.
God, if you're listening...please give me five minutes alone in a broom closet with this ungrateful scum.
And I'd like to bring along my baseball bat too.
I know that vengeance is your Lord...but can we make an exception just this once?
And a pipe. And rope and anything else found in a hardware store. We ask for so little.
I'm thinking a little rope, knotted about the size of a fist at the end with nails driven through it. It's an evil thought, yet somehow refreshing.
I'd love to join in on the fun but seeing as how I'm not a veteran...y'all go first and save me some leftovers!