http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1311206One post that stood out for me was this one by Sabrina1, aka protector/defender of Gnads
rdking647 (1,923 posts)
1 question for those supporting the chicago teachers [View all]
Last edited Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:17 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
how do you propose the school district pay the teachers what they are demanding?
you cant raise taxes,the tax rate in chicago is already astronomical.
there is simply no more money
sabrina 1 (29,049 posts)The reason this stood out for me is because here she/he/Pat is, blaming NCLB on Bush. They will not admit/accept/acknowledge that Ted Kennedy co-sponsored this bill, that it is generally considered to be his brainchild, and that any failure in this act/bill should be part of Kennedy's legacy, and not Bush's. Bush merely signed it, he did not author it.
131. So you don't like teachers? Maybe it's because NCLB is a failure. Bush's NCLB is one of
worst 'educational' programs in the history of Education. Any teacher trying to work within that system has their hands tied when it comes to actually educating their students. You seem very uninformed about this subject.
.....Ted Kennedy co-sponsored this bill, that it is generally considered to be his brainchild, and that any failure in this act/bill should be part of Kennedy's legacy, and not Bush's. Bush merely signed it, he did not author it.
sabrina 1 (29,049 posts)The ten-cent guilt trip. Didn't see that coming. :whatever:
131. So you don't like teachers?
coalition_unwilling (12,413 posts)
30. If the Chicago PD is so great, then why is the murder rate so high????? Q.E.D. - n/t
I think I would pee my pants if I had that herd of angry wildebeest coming after me. :runaway: :runaway:
(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ARC7tpuSMecRAOcdM9B3OA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zMjA7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/theatlanticwire/26_000_Chicago_Teachers_Will_Strike-cbb0a3de2b8490294b223f8c70909c3f)
Yeah, I'm supposed to sympathize with those collectivist-minded goons. Hold your breath, DUmbasses.
Maybe they need a little less grocery money?
$76,000 a year, not including benefits, to start?
And these are people the pie-and-jam primitive, the grasswire primitive, hoped to give free pie to, while charging the poor five bucks a slice?
They retire at 55 and get their latest pay as a pension, and free health care insurance (Cadillac), and get COLAs. It cannot be sustained.
The kids should be forced to report to school and just stay in a classroom all day without a teacher, they'd probably learn more.
They got money to pay for union dues and matching t-shirts. What else do they want?
Not a 2% raise, a 16% raise. :rant:
Don't be surprised when Dear Leader rides into town to save the day showing he is, in fact, The One who can bring people together, and by extention, the whole country from .
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David Burge â€@iowahawkblog:lmao:
#TeachersUnionProtestChant "Me, me, me, me / It's all about the kids, you see"
$76,000 a year, not including benefits, to start?
And these are people the pie-and-jam primitive, the grasswire primitive, hoped to give free pie to, while charging the poor five bucks a slice?
I agree but, hmm, if the Chicago public schools are so great, why are the kids so ****ing stupid?
U.S. Department of Education: 79% of Chicago 8th Graders Not Proficient in Reading (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-department-education-79-chicago-8th-graders-not-proficient-reading)
I expect test scores in Chicago public schools to gradually improve as the dumber students continue to be shot by their quicker-witted classmates.
I hate to admit it but I knee jerked my reaction on this because I do LOATHE public unions. After cooling off and thinking on it, this is just another distraction to keep the public's eye off of what Obama, economic super genius, accomplished in August:Yes, although Rush said it is a set up for the big "O" to come in and pretend to be mediator.
96,000 jobs created.
370,000 people gave up looking for a job.
22,000 businesses ceased to exist.
176,000 new food stamp moochers.
32,000 new SSDI approvals.
If teachers unions need to thrown under the SCOAMF's bus they will be thrown under SCOAMF's bus. If you do not think that this was coordinated with a democrat mayor, a democrat teachers union, a horrendous convention, and a terrible August under policies that 0bama will not change in 0bama 2.0, then I have a bridge, a building, and a national park to sell you.
I don't see how Obama can side with the unions on this one.
He's a f'n Communist. I can. He's never had to make a payroll. Rahm is now having to. That's why he's doing what he's doing. [b\Obama's DUMB ASS thinks money grows on trees and if you run out, just tax the shit out of the rich[/b] and they won't change ANY of their habits. He is a fool.
I have to say this. Not trying to boost me up or anything, but after the idiot at LGF went moonbat, and what's his face from Protest Warrior going to the left for a bit, and after Gator went full Paultard, Rebel will never leave you. I don't always agree with everything some say (I do have some socially moderate views), but my opinions have been well known and I'm done changing. I'm a man! I'm almost 40!!!
Cue the video in 3.....2.....1.......Happy Birthday almost 40. How almost ?
Happy Birthday almost 40. How almost ?
February, 2013. Seriously, I just wanted to add humor into the post. You've honestly never seen it? YouTube Mike Gundy Oklahoma State ReportersMe too. Okay, now it's coming back to me. The Grundy rant. No offense.
99Forever (1,664 posts)
45. So ****ing what?
You seem to have a ****ing excuse for every ANTI-education, ANTI-teacher, ANTI-student, ANTI-Union piece of propaganda there is, doncha?
rdking647 (1,932 posts)
49. when i pointed out the fact the teachers where among the highest paid in teh country you replied
.. kinda like "some people say", eh buddy?
Where have I heard that before?
i then showed the teacher union itself agrees with that an dthen you accuse me of making up excuses....
im not anti teachers but i dont blindly support them either like some here do
joeglow3 (2,880 posts)
134. This sub-thread makes me sad
I really don't see how citing a fact laid out by the union is ANTI-everything ****ing thing in the world.
sabrina 1 (29,079 posts)
260. That's a pretty poor standard since teachers in the US are very poorly paid compared to other
countries. If you had said 'they are paid higher than teachers in Norway eg', that would have been impressive.
So the Union in Chicago managed to get a decent salary for its teachers, good for them, but no matter what they are paid if you are comparing to the rest of this country, it is still not enough.
rdking647 (1,932 posts)
262. not true
http://www.worldsalaries.org/teacher.shtml
guardian (1,595 posts)
89. Some numbers
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/12/how-much-do-chicago-public-school-teachers-make/
"A Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said average pay for teachers, without benefits, is $76,000."
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/June-2011/Chicago-Teacher-Salaries-The-Long-View/
"2010-2011: the CPS gives a starting salary of $50,577 for a first-year teacher with a bachelor's degree. "
Compare this with a national average salary of $47,362 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. So the average Chicago school teacher salary is 60% higher than the national average. I don't know how you can say this is a "low pay job". It isn't exorbitant, but it isn't low either.
Several of my laid-off neighbors would sure appreciate $76,000 per year plus benefits right now.
proud2BlibKansan (93,241 posts)
144. Compare the cost of living in Chicago
to other cities in the country.
This can't be that hard to understand.
guardian (1,595 posts)
209. Chicago cost of living index
Since you asked: The composite cost of living index is 116.9, or 16.9% above the national average. However, the average Chicago teacher salary is 60% above the national average.
proud2BlibKansan (93,241 posts)
144. Compare the cost of living in Chicago
to other cities in the country.
This can't be that hard to understand.
99Forever (1,664 posts)What do unionized teachers have to do with student education? Every place I've seen where unions take over schools, it's the first thing to go.
45. So ****ing what?
You seem to have a ****ing excuse for every ANTI-education, ANTI-teacher, ANTI-student, ANTI-Union piece of propaganda there is, doncha?
Not a 2% raise, a 16% raise. :rant:
http://www.democraticunde...orum=1002&pid=1311206
rdking647 (1,923 posts)
1 question for those supporting the chicago teachers [View all]
Last edited Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:17 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
how do you propose the school district pay the teachers what they are demanding?
you cant raise taxes,the tax rate in chicago is already astronomical.
there is simply no more money
I read it was 19%.
Either way it's way more than they're worth.
joeglow3 (2,880 posts)
134. This sub-thread makes me sad
I really don't see how citing a fact laid out by the union is ANTI-everything ****ing thing in the world.
(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ARC7tpuSMecRAOcdM9B3OA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zMjA7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/theatlanticwire/26_000_Chicago_Teachers_Will_Strike-cbb0a3de2b8490294b223f8c70909c3f)Why do the teachers in that picture look awfully well fed, if they don't have enough money ?
(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ARC7tpuSMecRAOcdM9B3OA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zMjA7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/theatlanticwire/26_000_Chicago_Teachers_Will_Strike-cbb0a3de2b8490294b223f8c70909c3f)
Damn. Get along little doggies.
Those hogs look like they're ready to go to market.....sell 'em now.
Those are the Phys Ed instructors.
Well...the ones not arrested for banging the cheerleaders, that is.
It's math vs. emotional caterwauling
How much do you bet those teachers will move out of Cook County the minute they retire?I doubt they live there, now. :whatever:
Only a dedicated cog would stay and feed the machine if they could go elsewhere.
I expect test scores in Chicago public schools to gradually improve as the dumber students continue to be shot by their quicker-witted classmates.
High-school graduation rates have improved and high-school test scores are up, according to an analysis last year by the Consortium on Chicago School Research at the University of Chicago.
It's as reliable as the concept that DUmmies lie, all the time:
The bluer the city, the more crushing the tax burden on its resident DUmpmonkeys.
I did not expect my hypothesis to be confirmed so quickly by the DUmp.
Those are the Phys Ed instructors.
Well...the ones not arrested for banging the cheerleaders, that is.
Even after Philadelphia paid her $900,000 to go away, former schools superintendent Arlene Ackerman wants more, and she’s seeking $573 a week in unemployment benefits from the commonwealth
http://www.keystonepolitics.com/tag/arlene-ackerman/
Within the next couple of days, Rahmbo will get a call from the jug-eared Kenyan.
Within a few hours after that, the teachers' union will get whatever it is they're asking for, and the strike will be over.
Clearly the best plan of action for the education system is more pointless spending, rather than actually improving schools? Obama is either stupid or actively trying to make the US go the way of Greece, economically.
Within the next couple of days, Rahmbo will get a call from the jug-eared Kenyan.
Within a few hours after that, the teachers' union will get whatever it is they're asking for, and the strike will be over.
The SEIU has agreed not to cross the picket lines.
http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2531111&spid (http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2531111&spid)
If there are no students, do they really need the SEIU support staff? Less people the city has to pay! If they choose not to work, **** em.
Since the kids showing up aren't busy with school work, put them to work cleaning up after themselves. It will be a good lesson to show them what is in their future if they don't take their education seriously
Some of the schools had been staying open for several hours a day to give the kids a meal, and to give their parent(s) time to make some other arrangements for their children's care.
I'm guessing that those people doing that work were SEIU.
Since the kids showing up aren't busy with school work, put them to work cleaning up after themselves. It will be a good lesson to show them what is in their future if they don't take their education seriously
Some of the schools had been staying open for several hours a day to give the kids a meal, and to give their parent(s) time to make some other arrangements for their children's care.
I'm guessing that those people doing that work were SEIU.
I remember watching shows that were based in the old west, and the students did work at their schools after school. They would help the teacher keep their schools clean.
Again....ALLL-together now...
THE ENTIRE STRIKE IS BEING STAGED BY THE CHICAGO "BROTHERHOOD."
The "strike" is strictly a mechanism where the teacher's union, the Rahm administration, and the local democrats are working in concert with the Obama administration to give Obama millions of dollars of free, positive real-time publicity.
Case in point: the union is asking for a 16% across the board raise. In an era where ANY raises are being given at ALL is very illustrative. What will happen is this:
1. The teacher's union and Rahm will have "spirited" but talks will stall at an impasse.
2. Barack will publicly say something like "gee, the kids need to go back to school" or something similar without arguing against either the teachers or the Rahm administration.
3. In reality, behind the scenes the Obama administration-slash-campaign (why even bother pretending there's a legal disconnection anymore), the Rahm administration, and the teacher's union will hammer out a deal so that Obama can take the credit, along with Rahm, as they will probably "settle" for an 8% increase....which is what the teacher's union wanted in the FIRST place!
4. Obama's trip to Chicago will be heralded with "bated breath:".... can Obama save the day in Chicago? The media states that if it is successful, Obama is good as elected.
5. His teleprompter will give him a great speech.
6. Everyone shakes hands, the deal is struck. The teachers are not completely happy, but in fact they got the deal they were originally shooting for in the first place.
7. Rahm is happy... he got the teachers the biggest increase in the Obama era while appearing to be "fiscally conservative" because he "agreed with Obama" that the "kids need to be taken care of first and foremost."
8. Finally, the Obama media get hours and hours and hours of Obama material, as well as material in which Obama can come in and be "fiscally conservative in a compassionate" way. Tons of FREE campaign material, as well as the ability for Madcow, Tingles, and Bashir to bash Romney and Ryan.
DON'T DOUBT ME ON THIS.
Rahm is happy... he got the teachers the biggest increase in the Obama era while appearing to be "fiscally conservative" because he "agreed with Obama" that the "kids need to be taken care of first and foremost."
Case in point: the union is asking for a 16% across the board raise. In an era where ANY raises are being given at ALL is very illustrative. What will happen is this:
Damn. Get along little doggies.
Rawhide!
Since the kids showing up aren't busy with school work, put them to work cleaning up after themselves. It will be a good lesson to show them what is in their future if they don't take their education seriously
I like Rush's theory but I like the idea of the ranvk-n-vile getting so whipped up into a frenzy on their own propaganda they either end up doing something fairly heinous or refusing to stand down when told to do so by their handlers.
Mob politics MUST degenerate into unruly mobs.
I like Rush's theory but I like the idea of the ranvk-n-vile getting so whipped up into a frenzy on their own propaganda they either end up doing something fairly heinous or refusing to stand down when told to do so by their handlers.The only solution is to bring in truckloads of rulers.
Mob politics MUST degenerate into unruly mobs.
Like the Dems' love affair with Occupoop and 'Protecting' Libyan 'Freedom fighters,' it's another illustration of how dangerous free tiger rides can be.
The only solution is to bring in truckloads of rulers.
A wise man said, "One man with a rifle can rule one hundred without (rifles)." :whistling:
My brother lived just inside the Chicago city limits, up until 3 yrs ago. Per him, all city employees are required to live within the Chicago city limits. He sold his very old, but updated, 1700SF 2 story house on a lot that wasn't 50'wide for $625000 in 2009. :o It was "inside" by less than a block, in a "desirable" neighborhood.
That kind of money will get you 4k square feet in an excellent neighborhood and pay your property taxes for a decade over here, with enough left over to buy a second house.
That kind of money will get you 4k square feet in an excellent neighborhood and pay your property taxes for a decade over here, with enough left over to buy a second house.That kind of money will get you ONE 2000 sqft condo with an elevator near me. (democrat land)
That kind of money will get you ONE 2000 sqft condo with an elevator near me. (democrat land)You should see some of the wasteland neighborhoods in Gina's neck of the woods.
There are nearly 100 vacant houses in my community since obama took office but I suspect they will vote for Obama because it's "Bush's fault". :banghead:
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That kind of money will get you 4k square feet in an excellent neighborhood and pay your property taxes for a decade over here, with enough left over to buy a second house.
Again....ALLL-together now...BINGO. Originally CTU was asking for 35% raises. 35 ****ING % raises.
THE ENTIRE STRIKE IS BEING STAGED BY THE CHICAGO "BROTHERHOOD."
The "strike" is strictly a mechanism where the teacher's union, the Rahm administration, and the local democrats are working in concert with the Obama administration to give Obama millions of dollars of free, positive real-time publicity.
Case in point: the union is asking for a 16% across the board raise. In an era where ANY raises are being given at ALL is very illustrative. What will happen is this:
1. The teacher's union and Rahm will have "spirited" but talks will stall at an impasse.
2. Barack will publicly say something like "gee, the kids need to go back to school" or something similar without arguing against either the teachers or the Rahm administration.
3. In reality, behind the scenes the Obama administration-slash-campaign (why even bother pretending there's a legal disconnection anymore), the Rahm administration, and the teacher's union will hammer out a deal so that Obama can take the credit, along with Rahm, as they will probably "settle" for an 8% increase....which is what the teacher's union wanted in the FIRST place!
4. Obama's trip to Chicago will be heralded with "bated breath:".... can Obama save the day in Chicago? The media states that if it is successful, Obama is good as elected.
5. His teleprompter will give him a great speech.
6. Everyone shakes hands, the deal is struck. The teachers are not completely happy, but in fact they got the deal they were originally shooting for in the first place.
7. Rahm is happy... he got the teachers the biggest increase in the Obama era while appearing to be "fiscally conservative" because he "agreed with Obama" that the "kids need to be taken care of first and foremost."
8. Finally, the Obama media get hours and hours and hours of Obama material, as well as material in which Obama can come in and be "fiscally conservative in a compassionate" way. Tons of FREE campaign material, as well as the ability for Madcow, Tingles, and Bashir to bash Romney and Ryan.
DON'T DOUBT ME ON THIS.
False rumor of CPS CEO’s resignation leads to premature celebrationsLegal Insurrection (http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/09/strikewatch-false-rumor-of-cps-ceos-resignation-leads-to-premature-celebrations/)
Union crowds erupted into chants of “Brizard just resigned!” and danced to “RESPECT” shortly after noon central time when a rumor swept through the crowds that the Chicago Public Schools CEO had stepped down. Only problem: it was completely made up.
Fire, replace, forget.
Pay/benefits in line with regular working people.
It's just a job like many others.
It's not just the current crop of teacher's benefits that cause problems. It's also the benefits that are given to those already retired that are killing school districts and state budgets.Very true.
Problem is, most of those kids are now watching 16 and Pregnant marathons on MTV and thinking how wonderful it would be to get knocked up...no worrying about a job, husband, etc....just spread 'em wide and watch the welfare roll in!
Now that you no longer have to work for Welfare it's the new American Dream for most of the inner city youth. :-)
Yet we have other students and parents that actually care about education that now have the door slammed in their face. Do the families get a break from paying property taxes when the schools are not in session? Do landlords get a rebate on property taxes to pass on to those paying rent?
I do understand the new evaluation program could be an issue if a teacher ends up with a student in which the parents or the student does not care about doing homework or what his report card says. But I am sure in those cases there will be some type of provisions to deal with the situation.
Here in Nevada our public school system is ranked very low, but the state is working on it. We still have no income tax or lottery and there is no talk of raising property tax. Students are starting to test better. Teachers have agreed to pay freezes and cuts to keep the schools solvent and to keep their jobs.
Problems like schools need to be fixed from the inside out. Throwing money at most problems will never help. Look at the war on drugs and poverty. We still have both after trillions of dollars....
Here in Nevada our public school system is ranked very low, but the state is working on it.Most of the "ranking" publicity is generated by news releases from teachers' unions.
Most of the "ranking" publicity is generated by news releases from teachers' unions.
If you go by local newspaper stories, you'll find that every state in the union is ranked somewhere in the bottom five.
You know, I have a quick-fix, a sure thing, for improving public schools.
Promote the janitors to teachers, and the teachers to janitors.
I have no doubt Anne's or Pamela's janitors can do a better job teaching, than they do.