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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on September 08, 2012, 11:34:30 AM
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marmar (56,932 posts)
Arctic ice melting at 'amazing' speed, scientists find
BBC:
Scientists in the Arctic are warning that this summer's record-breaking melt is part of an accelerating trend with profound implications.
Norwegian researchers report that the sea ice is becoming significantly thinner and more vulnerable.
Last month, the annual thaw of the region's floating ice reached the lowest level since satellite monitoring began, more than 30 years ago.
It is thought the scale of the decline may even affect Europe's weather.
The melt is set to continue for at least another week - the peak is usually reached in mid-September - while temperatures here remain above freezing. ....................(more)
The complete piece is at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19508906
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021300990
OMG we are all gonna die!!!1111111
I would like to take this moment to introduce to CC a trained scientist who posts on DU, I wonder if Nads will show up and add that to her resume now.
jimlup (3,619 posts)
4. Some are now saying "next 10 years..."
very scary shit... I'm alarmed and I'm trained as a scientist to take a cautious view of data.
jimlup (3,619 posts)
6. As I see it
(and while I'm a scientist I'm specifically not a climate scientist) it will be catastrophic. The effects on the Northern Hemisphere will be quite dramatic at many levels. I'm also now quite concerned about a locked carbon tipping point due to both methane clathrates and also previously frozen peat bogs.
So here we go again we are doomed in ten years. How many times have we heard this song in the past 30 years?
:mental:
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marmar (56,932 posts)
Arctic ice melting at 'amazing' speed, scientists find
BBC:
Consider the source, and then consider the source's source. A primitive, and the BBC.
You are better off reading tea leaves, or consulting the liver spots on the back of an old person's hand.
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Floating ice melting has no affect on sea levels. :yawn:
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I can't remember the exact dates but wasn't the northwest passage open and ice free in the early 1850's, late 1890's and again in the early 1930's????? Is it open and ice free this year?
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I can't remember the exact dates but wasn't the northwest passage open and ice free in the early 1850's, late 1890's and again in the early 1930's????? Is it open and ice free this year?
Doesn't matter, all it takes is for this year to be different than last year and it's climate change. These idiots can't grasp that the earth is not a constant.
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This is getting tiresome. How many times have we heard this exact same thing?
Listen to Carl. The ice is ALREADY in the water there will be NO sea level rise. These people are SOOO stoopid.
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This is getting tiresome.
Very. Even if everything they said about it all being due to mankind were correct, and it isn't*, we could cease all industrial activity today and it would have no effect on what happens ten years from now. You can't undo in ten years something that took over 300 years to do in the first place.
*My own opinion from what I've read on it: Earth has had higher greenhouse gas levels in the past, and over geologic time CO2 levels actually seem to be a trailing indicator of temperature increases, not a leading indicator. The climatic stability of the last 10,000 years is really the anomaly, the planet has had wide climatic swings over relatively short, even very short, periods throughout most of the time before that, and has been considerably warmer and colder even within that 10,000 year sweet spot. Many television interviews of 'Scientists' on it involve shills like Kaku who know about as much about climate science as a lab technician, and their claims of 'It never happened this fast before Man' are utter horseshit. Nor are the 'Climate scientists' even necessarily looking at paleoclimates for validation of their models, they are befogged with modern atmospheric chemistry and projection into the future, the more dire the prediction the better, really Velikovskian in their search for apocalyptic explanations without being able to point to geological antecedents for their claims. Modern humans and their high population do have some effect on climate, I have no doubt...but it's far from the only effect, and I have no faith in the predictive ability of the climate modelers, whose impartiality has been compromised by the fact that they basically all received government grant money for the specific purpose of showing there was indeed man-made global warming (Or 'Global climate change' if it doesn't happen to actually get warmer). BUT it's all moot...we are too far down the road we're on for anything we do to change the outcome, whatever it's going to be.
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jimlup (3,619 posts)
4. Some are now saying "next 10 years..."
very scary shit... I'm alarmed and I'm trained as a scientist to take a cautious view of data.
Listen, DUmbass, there's a difference in being "trained" and actually being involved in the subject.
The DUmp has a "trained" historian that doesn't really now squat.
I was "trained" to use a toilet when going potty, unlike you, I applied that "training".
In other words, you're a loser. :loser:
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This is getting tiresome. How many times have we heard this exact same thing?
Listen to Carl. The ice is ALREADY in the water there will be NO sea level rise. These people are SOOO stoopid.
Laws of buoyancy and displacement have no place at a site like DU.
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Laws of buoyancy and displacement have no place at a site like DU.
Well, there is that small amount of ice above the waterline....but then water expands when frozen is why it floats. So, without knowing the exact figures for expansion when frozen, we could actually see a small reduction in sea levels caused by the melting of "floating" ice.
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This is getting tiresome. How many times have we heard this exact same thing?
Listen to Carl. The ice is ALREADY in the water there will be NO sea level rise. These people are SOOO stoopid.
What is it we were taught in school that the Americans were populated by people crossing over a dry land bridge from Asia.
Egypt was once a rain filled area, some say Antarctica was once green and then you get the Mammoths in the north found frozen with Daisy's in their mouth.
Give me a break, Mother earth has her fits and crazy times. Mother raises up volcano's to cause mayham, She makes the earth move under our feet, Mother makes Hurricanes, and Tsumaies, causes the earth under the waters to rise and fall. Mother causes fire storms from lightning and times of drought, or flood.
No way we mear humans can do any one thing but to adapt to Mothers moods. By now we should know Mother and be ready to adapt to her and what next else she will send up. This is how humans survived, we did not fight Mother Earth, we adapted to be able to survive what ever surprises she had or us.
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Condenced version...
Planetary evolution not influenced by human activity.
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Hi-5 to Vesta.
Just because!