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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on September 04, 2012, 06:46:44 PM
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Liberal_in_LA (25,441 posts)
Paul Ryan won't back down on statements branded as false
Paul Ryan won't back down on statements branded as false
CLEVELAND — Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan declined on Tuesday to back away from statements in his party convention speech that nonpartisan fact checkers have branded as false or misleading.
In a round of television interviews, the Wisconsin congressman was challenged by network anchors to defend statements on Medicare, the federal deficit and the 2008 closing of a GM plant in his hometown, Janesville.
Asked by NBC “Today†show anchor Matt Lauer whether he would concede that some of his statements “were not completely accurate,†Ryan responded: “No. Not in the least, actually.
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Obama’s reelection campaign released a statement hammering Ryan for his remarks on the GM plant in Janesville.
“On all three network morning shows today, Congressman Ryan repeated the falsehood he told about the Janesville GM plant in his convention speech,†the statement said. “The truth is that the GM plant closed before President Obama took office and, as the Detroit News reported, he ‘made no such promise’ to keep it open.â€
After his morning show interviews from North Carolina, where he campaigned on Labor Day, Ryan planned to head to Ohio for an afternoon rally near Cleveland, then to Iowa for another in Cedar Rapids.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-la-pn-paul-ryan-fact-check-20120904,0,671511.story
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021268599
So they use lies to claim that Ryan lied and are shocked that he won't back down. :whatever:
annabanana (43,596 posts)
1. Republicans ALWAYS double down on their lies.
Every. Single. Time.
No, we double down on truth. 0bama is lying his ass off about how much better things are today and you idiots eat it right up.
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There was enough parsing room in owebuma's promise to keep the factory in question open, that owebuma could wiggle out of his words could be held to a promise.
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From what I've read only 1 division of that plant closed before Obama was president. A discontinued model. The entire plant closed shortly after Obama gave that speech.
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I dug the answer out of Newsgroups archives. The Democrats aren't going to like it, because Ryan is right. I bolded the important part. This is an AP article, but it is available nowhere but Usenet. -- address in case it cant be quoted in entirety - https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups=#!topic/gangbox/pLzNhFjCo8U
Sunday, December 21, 2008
Ohio workers face final days at GM plant
James Hannah / Associated Press
MORAINE, Ohio -- General Motors Corp.'s financial woes have GM workers around the country worrying about what life without GM might be like.
The 1,080 hourly workers at the automaker's sport utility plant in this Dayton suburb are about to find out. For them, life without GM begins Tuesday.
That's when the automaker pulls the plug on the plant that over the past 27 years has spit out cars, trucks and SUVs, helped pay mortgages and college educations, and provided a security blanket in turbulent times.
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"The news was devastating at first," said Jackie Wilson, a 39-year-old mother who has spent 15 years at the plant. "It's all I've known."
GM and other U.S. automakers are mired in a sales slump because of the economic downturn, tight or nonexistent credit, and lack of consumer confidence. So far this year, GM alone has announced 11,000 U.S. layoffs.
Stress on the workers at the Moraine plant has been mounting since June, when GM announced it would close the plant because high gasoline prices were driving consumers away from the SUVs made there.
Other GM plants could soon be facing a similar fate.
In Janesville, Wis., GM will cease making SUVs on Tuesday, putting 1,200 workers out of work. The plant will stay open until June to produce trucks along with Isuzu, but only about 50 workers will remain employed for that.
The White House threw GM and Chrysler LLC a lifeline on Friday, offering $17.4 billion in rescue loans. But the automakers must prove their viability by March 31.
When their uncertain future becomes a little too much for the Moraine workers, they slip into the newly established "quiet room," a refuge from the clatter and whine of the assembly line, fork trucks and dolly trains that will soon go silent. In the quiet room, workers can be alone with their thoughts or trade concerns with a fellow worker.
And a "spiritual reflection" room enables workers to take their lunch hour to pray or meet with ministers, who troop into the plant to offer spiritual balm. Both rooms were set up by workers and management to ease the transition.
Wilson works in the paint house as the group leader in the final stage of the painting process. She knows she will dread seeing the first of 500 white GMCs crawl toward her down the assembly line. Those will be the last vehicles the plant will produce.
"When we see them coming, it's really going to hit," she said.
For some workers, the plant is more than just a workplace.
Scott Hurst, a 14-year veteran of the plant whose mother and grandfather also worked there, socializes with his co-workers. He and 11 colleagues formed an online gaming team.
"It was the people that actually made it a great place to work. You come in every day and you had your friends," said Hurst, 35, of West Milton. "That made it interesting."
GM employed 19,000 workers in the Dayton area in 1999, before spinning off its Delphi supplier division. Tuesday's closing of the SUV plant will leave 572 workers at a GM engine plant the automaker owns jointly with Isuzu.
"This was a huge GM town, and now no more," said John Heitmann, a professor at the University of Dayton who has taught classes on automobile history and its impact on American life.
Valerie Catchings, personnel director at the Moraine plant, said some of the workers are looking forward to a new beginning.
"Maybe they're tired of the production work," she said. "But others -- their heart, their soul is with GM, and they just never envisioned any other option."
Wilson has already sold her suburban Miamisburg house and moved in with her parents. She is taking college courses and hopes to earn a degree in nursing, banking on a job in the more secure health care industry.
"I'll never be in this position again," she said.
Hurst, who works in the communications department after stints in the body shop and other production areas, plans to go to college and get a degree in computer engineering.
Kenny Roberts, who has worked at the plant since 1985, is not sure what he will do.
"I'm going to look for a job without going back to school," said Roberts, 51, of West Carrollton. "But the way things are, I'm probably not going to be finding anything decent."
Roberts said he is thinking of pursuing a license to drive trucks, buses and heavy equipment. Another possibility is moving to Pittsburgh.
"Pittsburgh" Kenny is a rabid Steelers fan, a season-ticket holder who has stayed at the same Pittsburgh hotel for 17 years when he attends games. He's confident he could get a job there.
Gaylen Turner, president of International Union of Electronic Workers-Communication Workers of America Local 798, said some of the workers will likely move out of the area in pursuit of work. Others, he said, will stay because of family.
"The reality of it is I think a lot of people will suffer -- unfortunately -- because of the state of the economy," he said. "But I think a lot of people will end up on their feet fine."
On Tuesday, workers will assemble or watch assembly of the final vehicle, clean out their lockers, turn in their ID badges and walk out the plant doors for the final time. A few will wheel out their empty red toolboxes as souvenirs.
Wilson's father worked at the plant for 39 years before retiring. She worked summers at the plant while attending college and finally took a job there in 1994, lured by the high pay and good benefits.
She begins to cry as she thinks about the gates closing and the lights going out for the last time.
"We put out great products. I've always been proud of what we do here," she said. "I feel like we didn't deserve this."
So, most were gone in 2008, the remainder left in June of 2009. Done & done.
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The weird thing about this debate is nobody talks about the poor decisions GM made to get them to this place along with stupid government bureaucracy that had auto makers producing cars nobody wanted. 0bama kept up that tradition by making GM produce the Volt. Which, I've read, was only a concept car.
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The weird thing about this debate is nobody talks about the poor decisions GM made to get them to this place along with stupid government bureaucracy that had auto makers producing cars nobody wanted. 0bama kept up that tradition by making GM produce the Volt. Which, I've read, was only a concept car.
They aren't ever going to bring that up. -Unless it can be framed in the context of being Bush's fault.
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Please. [;ease keep bringing up a promise of 0bama's that a plant would not close after he said it would not. PLEASE!!
I can see campaign ads that highlight how many people lost their jobs when 0bama closed local dealerships.
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... nonpartisan fact checkers ...
No such animal. I've been reading what these so called "fact checkers" have to say, and they're nothing of the sort. By and large, they aren't actually checking facts but making and asserting judgments about the veracity of politicians' arguments. To a man, everyone of these "fact checkers" are noted liberals, and all this does is give them much freer rein to express their opinions by allowing them to pretend to be rendering authoritative judgments about the facts. The result, as we've seen, is shoddy arguments and shoddier journalism, as if their journalism could get any worse than it was.
One gets a sense of desperation from both the Democrats, who are trying to re-elect a president with a lousy record, and the MSM, who are trying to restore the authority they enjoyed when they aspired to objectivity, or at least pretended to do so. The last 4 years especially, the MSM has increasingly been characterized by a blurring of the distinction between not only fact and opinion but opinion and propaganda. One can only hope the American people sees matters more clearly. But given they voted for the idiot 4 years ago, I often wonder if the stupid is too deep for them to ever shake it. I guess we'll find out in November.
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Someone on another board poked fun at the "fact checkers." He said, "I declare Ryan's speech as 'mostly false.' Everone knows that Obama posters are made from nondegradable paper, with ink designed to last for 150 years."
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Gnads has a gknack for bouncing fact checks. :-)
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nonpartisan fact checkers
O rly.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? ("Who guards the guardians?")
:hammer: