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Title: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Freeper on September 03, 2012, 09:30:45 PM
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Logical (5,410 posts)

My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degree"??


 
The GOP thinks everyone with out their salary level is lazy, unmotivated, stupid. So they do not deserve what the successful people have.

The GOP never think they are "lucky". They think they earned everything. And anyone not in their class didn't work hard enough.

What a bunch of hogwash!

Lets say, everyone was equally educated. Everyone had a masters degree. Everyone could afford it. Or the government paid for it.

That would mean, SOMEONE still needs to work at McDonalds, someone still needs to dig ditches, someone would still need to work at a part time job with no benefits. These people would all have the same education. They just didn't get lucky enough to find jobs in their field. Even with their education.

What you are telling these people is that since you cannot find a good enough job, you do not deserve Health Care or Dental Care or a 401K plan. Or a minimum wage above the poverty level.

How can any caring person not sympathize with a person who did not get the breaks they did? I agree, not everyone deserves the same salary as someone who is very successful. But they deserve healthcare and a non-poverty wage. They also deserve a non-poverty living after they retire.

It seems so simple. Those of us who have it much better than the ones who do not, pay a little more. That might mean a little less vacation every year. That might mean buying a $40,000 car instead of a $50,000 car. But the payback is worth it.

How the GOP can be the "religious" party or the "moral" party is the biggest farce they have ever perpetrated.

I honestly do not know how a GOP supporter can not live in guilt.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021263133

Ok fellow cavers what salary level must I be at to not be considered lazy, unmotivated and stupid?
I have never heard any conservative say anything remotely like that. The only people I have heard to referred as such are people who sit at home all day posting on DU how much life sucks then demands more and more free stuff. In fact conservatives praise those who go out and work and take care of themselves no matter what income level they are at.

This notion that people who are successful got there by luck is hog wash. Yeah some folks get breaks like 0bama has where they can skate through life, but most of us have worked our fingers to the bone, and tried to be responsible with our money and pay our bills instead of partying all the time.


What exactly should I feel guilty for by voting republican? 
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Kyle Ricky on September 03, 2012, 09:35:34 PM
I don't care how much you make as long as you are trying and manning up. Unlike the lazy freeloading welfare bums and disability scam artists from the DUmp.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Freeper on September 03, 2012, 09:37:40 PM
I don't care how much you make as long as you are trying and manning up. Unlike the lazy freeloading welfare bums and disability scam artists from the DUmp.

The only people concerned with how much anyone makes is the DUmmies, then if it is more than they think you should have they get all pissed off.
They are pathetic jealous, sad, and bitter people.
Title: Re: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Master
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on September 03, 2012, 09:37:54 PM
Anyone else find the irony of the DUmmy original poster's name?
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on September 03, 2012, 09:39:50 PM
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What you are telling these people is that since you cannot find a good enough job, you do not deserve Health Care or Dental Care or a 401K plan. Or a minimum wage above the poverty level.

No.

What we're saying is if you pay them $20/hr plus 100% coverage with no out of pocket expenses the cost of the products and services they provide will be such that they STILL won't have living wages or benefits because they have priced themselves out of the market.

You can bitch about it being "unfair" all you want but it's a common fact of life that consumers only buy what they can afford.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: thundley4 on September 03, 2012, 09:44:09 PM
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Lets say, everyone was equally educated. Everyone had a masters degree. Everyone could afford it. Or the government paid for it.

Never gonna happen.  Some people are just natural stupid, i.e. most DUmmies.  But not just them, some people are not cut out for academic studies.  I'm one of those people.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Chris_ on September 03, 2012, 09:44:15 PM
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Logical (5,410 posts)

My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degree"??

The GOP thinks everyone with out their salary level is lazy, unmotivated, stupid. So they do not deserve what the successful people have.

The GOP never think they are "lucky". They think they earned everything. And anyone not in their class didn't work hard enough.
If everyone had a Master's Degree, it would be the same as paying everyone the same or paying a "living wage".  Inflation would explode.

As for the rest of that drivel, I know nobody who thinks that way.  I work with CEOs, Presidents, VP's, Directors, and managers and I'm the lowest man on the totem pole.  They're all people who wake up in the morning and go to work like the rest of us.  Maybe if you stopped pretending life was a Flintstones cartoon, you might learn something.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: USA4ME on September 03, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Quote from:
Logical

My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degree"??

If you're having to resort to inventing imaginary scenerios that have never been the case in order to try and make a point, it's probably best you just shut up while you're still ahead, primitive.

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Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Chris_ on September 03, 2012, 09:47:53 PM
Another thing we've learned from watching DUmmies... if everyone had a Master's degree, nothing would get done in this country because we would have liberals who thought they were too good to take a lower paying job than what they felt they "deserved".
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: GOP Congress on September 03, 2012, 10:06:20 PM
Generally, anyone who is working and not taking from society is far more motivated and intelligent to me, in my book, than anyone of any salary (or lack of) who advocates taking from society. I don't mean legitimate uses of societal money whom are truly deserving, such as veterans or unique situations, but for the most part, everyone is capable of producing for themselves, either as an employee, employer, or independent contractor.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Celtic Rose on September 03, 2012, 10:13:12 PM
If everybody had a master's degree then a master's degree would mean nothing.  A Bachelor's Degree was significant at one point, now they are a dime a dozen and they don't indicate much about a person's intelligence, aside from certain fields.  Companies expect secretaries to have Bachelor's degrees, and that was a job that my grandmother was fully prepared for when she graduated from High School. 

Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Chris_ on September 03, 2012, 10:23:05 PM
If everybody had a master's degree then a master's degree would mean nothing.  A Bachelor's Degree was significant at one point, now they are a dime a dozen and they don't indicate much about a person's intelligence, aside from certain fields.  Companies expect secretaries to have Bachelor's degrees, and that was a job that my grandmother was fully prepared for when she graduated from High School. 
This is why jobs with requirements for Bachelor's degrees are paying minimum wage... over-educated DUmmies with government-funded educations have saturated the market and priced themselves out of a job.  Union goons with inflated job demands haven't helped at all.

America has priced itself out of the world market and liberals are to blame.
Title: Re: Re: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Ma
Post by: Ralph Wiggum on September 03, 2012, 10:25:50 PM
This is why jobs with requirements for Bachelor's degrees are paying minimum wage... over-educated DUmmies with government-funded educations have saturated the market and priced themselves out of a job.  Union goons with inflated job demands haven't helped at all.

America has priced itself out of the world market and liberals are to blame.

Not to mention inflated GPA's.
Title: Re: Re: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Ma
Post by: Chris_ on September 03, 2012, 10:28:41 PM
Not to mention inflated GPA's.
Teachers are too busy chasing tenure to grade papers.  Slap a number on them and get on with your fancy paper.

I did some work for Vanderbilt University... some of the "departments" are nothing more than multi-room dorms with desks instead of beds.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Kyle Ricky on September 03, 2012, 10:39:09 PM
I was listening to one of my business radio shows the other day, and they were saying that 45% of the jobs in the US require a baccalaureates degree or higher; and only 32% of the country has one.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: obumazombie on September 03, 2012, 10:39:30 PM
I admire people who courageously take on hard working jobs, even menial ones, and are punctual and reliable, regardless of salary earned. That goes for any honest work.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: LC EFA on September 04, 2012, 01:23:28 AM
Who the hell needs a masters degree....

Any half decent skilled tradesman will run you close to $100 / hr and that's just mon-fri rates.

Odds are pretty good that not a huge number of the people with advanced degrees make that much.

Think society would be better if everyone had a masters degree ? Just wait until your toilet backs up while you're out appreciating some art, or critiquing some feminist literature. Who ya' gonna call ?

Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on September 04, 2012, 01:30:35 AM
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The GOP never think they are "lucky". They think they earned everything. 

Luck or Unluck, are both part of EARNING success, you flippin' retard.

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Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: 98ZJUSMC on September 04, 2012, 01:33:07 AM
The only people concerned with how much anyone makes is the DUmmies,

There it is.  :cheersmate:

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If everyone had a Master's Degree, it would be the same as paying everyone the same or paying a "living wage".  Inflation would explode.

I doubt they would understand this, but if you're paying everyone $20/hr those McDonald's singles would cost .......$20.00.

Called Math (D)Ullards.  Get some.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: docstew on September 04, 2012, 03:26:22 AM
If everyone had a Master's Degree, it would be the same as paying everyone the same or paying a "living wage".  Inflation would explode.


If everyone had a Master's Degree, the Master's Degree would be without value as a discriminator in economic decisions. The new benchmark for education would be a PhD. Wanna be a manager at McD's? Better go to their Hamburger PhD program. Wanna get a job as an exec at a Fortune 500? Better get a PhD in business management.

DUmbasses. If everyone has something, especially if it's free, it has no value (like air, which you don't pay for and don't notice until you don't have any).
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Carl on September 04, 2012, 04:26:33 AM
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Logical (5,410 posts)

My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degree"??


 
The GOP thinks everyone with out their salary level is lazy, unmotivated, stupid. So they do not deserve what the successful people have.

The GOP never think they are "lucky". They think they earned everything. And anyone not in their class didn't work hard enough.

What a bunch of hogwash!...

This is why you losers would never amount to anything even if it was given to you.
You have no comprehension of who the average person is or what they believe.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: MrsSmith on September 04, 2012, 05:51:51 AM
They do "labor" under the delusion that all Republicans are wealthy, don't they?  It's just so far beyond their capacity for "thought" to believe that many people vote for values that don't include gimmes from Uncle Sam.  

You'd think that somewhere between whining about Republicans having too many kids and the differences in the Party Platforms, they'd gradually get the idea that many of us don't want Uncle Sam to pay our bills, raise our children, or even really provide the kind of left-slanted education now allowed in public schools.   ::)
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: AprilRazz on September 04, 2012, 06:04:31 AM
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Interestingly most of the major hospitals around here are hiring only people with BSN's(nursing) now. The big conglomerate that runs most of the hospitals are attempting to make all of them magnet hospitals so many nurses with 2 year degrees are going back to school.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Kyle Ricky on September 04, 2012, 07:28:57 AM
Who the hell needs a masters degree....

Any half decent skilled tradesman will run you close to $100 / hr and that's just mon-fri rates.

Odds are pretty good that not a huge number of the people with advanced degrees make that much.

Think society would be better if everyone had a masters degree ? Just wait until your toilet backs up while you're out appreciating some art, or critiquing some feminist literature. Who ya' gonna call ?



A lot of it depends on your field. Take Psychology for example; in order to get a job that is actually in the field of being a psychologist, you need to have a masters degree or higher. With a Bach all you can pretty much be is an assistant. It is like that in a lot of sciences.

Other masters degrees are gotten because it betters their career, which is why I am going for an MBA...

It also depends on the person. Some people want one, and some are content with what they have.

This is not saying that doing a trade is a bad thing, it is actually a great thing. As with a trade you can make just as much as someone with a masters degree. The only difference is that one is white collar and the other is blue collar. There is nothing wrong with either of them as long as you are doing what you love.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: NHSparky on September 04, 2012, 08:29:43 AM
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"What if everyone had a Masters Degree"??

Then you'd have more illiterates with Masters Degrees.  50 years ago, you were READY to go to college--none of this "remedial" crap.  Now, over half of entering freshmen in the Cal State system (I've heard as high as 70 percent) require remedial Math, English, or both.

You have people obtaining undergraduate degrees who do not know basic American History or civics.  You have graduate students who have trouble with basic rules of punctuation and sentence structure.  It's not an education anymore--it's a money-grab by academia to get as much of that "gubmint" cash as possible while leaving far too many of their graduates with questionable marketability.

You want an education, DUmmies?  Get into a field you enjoy, and make a living at that.  Who cares if you're making $20K/year or $200K/year?  I fall on the high side of in between those numbers, have only a Bachelor's, and frankly didn't need the degree to get into the field in which I currently work.  It's called ATTITUDE and EXPERIENCE that make you stand out of the crowd.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Kyle Ricky on September 04, 2012, 08:57:03 AM
Studies have found that students who get average grades in high school do better in college than students who get high grades. They also found that students to get average grades in college have better careers than students who have high grades. The reason being that the students with the average grades try harder. Not saying that every student who gets high grades doesn't try. But that is just how the study came out. 
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: Ballygrl on September 04, 2012, 09:00:48 AM
It seems the left are the ones who think everyone should go to college whereas the right advocates trade schools. I have a cousin who's an electrician, he makes a heck of a lot more money then many people with masters degrees, another cousin is a home builder who also does home repairs, all he has is a high school diploma, and he's doing very well.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: BigTex on September 04, 2012, 09:03:33 AM
Any half decent skilled tradesman will run you close to $100 / hr and that's just mon-fri rates.

Odds are pretty good that not a huge number of the people with advanced degrees make that much.

You do know that if they charge $100/hr that isnt how much they make right?
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: DumbAss Tanker on September 04, 2012, 09:11:54 AM
Actually the Democrat approach to education IS that everyone gets masters degrees, no matter how low they have to set the bar in the courses and no matter how much the taxpayer has to go in the hole to meet the runaway inflation in college costs that will flow from it.  This is because they don't understand causation or logic.  Their big meme is that "People who have college educations and graduate degrees make more money," which is true as far as it goes, but then they commit the logic/causality fault of taking it to "Therefore, if everyone has college or graduate degrees, everyone will make more money."  They don't understand that the reason people who had degrees made more money wasn't because they had a college degree, it was because under the existing system the college graduates were already taken from the smartest, most motivated, and even to an extent the 'luckiest' fraction of the population.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: ReaganForRushmore on September 04, 2012, 09:46:39 AM
Step son realized he was never going to be a doctor or a lawyer. Went to welding school. His female cousin, who is a very lovely young lady and I love her dearly, went to a first rate university and obtained a liberal arts degree.

Care to guess who has a job and who doesn't?

Step son is being forced to take vacation since he has completed his projects for a major oil company. His bosses told him they didn't want to see him for a month.

Cousin is doing file work for a law firm while she weighs her options.

Point is, education is merely the admission ticket to life. It is what each individual does with his or her ticket that makes life worth living.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: J P Sousa on September 04, 2012, 10:32:47 AM
Irony can be a bitch.

My wife's father told her and her four brothers he could only afford to send just one to college. The one brother had a partial scholarship so got the nod and earned a degree.

The other three brothers and my wife all started their own businesses.

The irony is all four businesses were successful and the one with the degree ?  He comes to visit and asks for money  because he can't seem to get a job with his degree.

And guess who is/was a liberal. He became a conservative after 9/11.  


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Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: obumazombie on September 04, 2012, 10:34:39 AM
Irony can be a bitch.

My wife's father told her and her four brothers he could only afford to send just one to college. The one brother had a partial scholarship so got the nod and earned a degree.

The other three brothers and my wife all started their own businesses.

The irony is all four businesses were successful and the one with the degree ?  He comes to visit and asks for money  because he can't seem to get a job with his degree.

And guess who is/was a liberal. He became a conservative after 9/11.  


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Libs are almost impervious to irony.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: wasp69 on September 04, 2012, 01:54:25 PM
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Logical (5,410 posts)

My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degree"??

Well, DUmbass, what if frogs had wings?  Masters Degrees would become more worthless than the paper upon which they are printed and we'd need bigger fly swatters.

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The GOP never think they are "lucky". They think they earned everything. And anyone not in their class didn't work hard enough.

No, stupid, we have very differing views on what "luck" entails.  What you consider "luck" is what I consider preparation meeting opportunity (hat tip to Rush Limbaugh).  To me, "luck" is when I drop the toast and it doesn't land on the counter butter side down.  Unlike you, I prepare and continue to practice so that when the opportunity arises, I am ready as opposed to you who has nothing but a piece of paper and "hope". 

Can you figure out who the winner of that contest will be, DUmmie?

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Lets say, everyone was equally educated. Everyone had a masters degree. Everyone could afford it. Or the government paid for it.

That would mean, SOMEONE still needs to work at McDonalds, someone still needs to dig ditches, someone would still need to work at a part time job with no benefits. These people would all have the same education. They just didn't get lucky enough to find jobs in their field. Even with their education.

"Education" does not always equal "smart" and a classroom is no substitute for experience.  If I have 5 candidates for a position and they all have the same education level, I'm going to pick the one who was motivated enough to work in his field of study.  If I have more than one of those, I'm picking the person who has the most experience.  Easy, isn't it?

As far as the others who didn't bring anything to the table except a piece of pretty paper and an expectation of riches falling from the sky?  The world needs ditch diggers, too...

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What you are telling these people is that since you cannot find a good enough job, you do not deserve Health Care or Dental Care or a 401K plan. Or a minimum wage above the poverty level.

No, DUmmie, what I am saying is that you are not entitled to it at my expense.

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How can any caring person not sympathize with a person who did not get the breaks they did?

Very sympathetic to the man who went to school, worked in his field, and didn't get ahead because of circumstances beyond his control.  Not sympathetic to the man who was not smart enough to try something different when what he was doing wasn't working out.

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I agree, not everyone deserves the same salary as someone who is very successful.

Invalidated your entire argument with one sentence.  Good job, DUmbass!

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But they deserve healthcare and a non-poverty wage. They also deserve a non-poverty living after they retire.

But not have to actually work for it, right, DUmmie?

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It seems so simple. Those of us who have it much better than the ones who do not, pay a little more.

It is that simple.  I give several thousand a year to charity and I am nowhere near the same level of wealth as a liberal democrat politician.  I actually give where it will help the most, how about you, DUmmie?

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That might mean a little less vacation every year. That might mean buying a $40,000 car instead of a $50,000 car. But the payback is worth it.

First of all, stupid, your messiah has ensured "a little less vacation" for me and my family.  I suspect I'm not alone in this... 

Second, I don't pay anywhere north of 30k for a vehicle.  If I want something nice, the local auto auction lot is full of bad money decisions from emotionally stunted fools like you.  Same goes for damn near everything I pay cash for.

Third, the "payback" has been a large section of the populace who feels they are entitled to what I work for and feel they can take it at gun point any time they want.  Worth it?  Maybe to a liberal leech, such as yourself.

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How the GOP can be the "religious" party or the "moral" party is the biggest farce they have ever perpetrated.

Because we don't believe in paying you to lay on your ass?  How horrible!   :whatever:

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I honestly do not know how a GOP supporter can not live in guilt.

Easy, I've never had to rely on the labor of others to feed myself or my family.  I worked hard, prepared, lived honorably, and built my life up from nothing to something.

I sleep very well at night...
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: DefiantSix on September 04, 2012, 01:57:14 PM
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Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: obumazombie on September 04, 2012, 03:55:35 PM
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
Title: Re: My GOP "friends" do not get it. I ask them "What if everyone had a Masters Degr
Post by: jukin on September 04, 2012, 04:21:44 PM
1. Everyone would have $250,000.00 of college loan debt.

2. Those that got a science degree would make money. Those that had an arts degree would not.

3. A loaf of bread would cost $35.

4. The country that the DUchebags so want was built upon an Eighth Grade educated nation.

5. The master degree would be less useful to society than the Eighth Grade education.

I have a hundred dollars that says that under 55 of the DUmp denizens could have passed that Eighth Grade test.