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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Revolution on September 01, 2012, 05:03:23 PM
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Tony_FLADEM (1,976 posts)
Homeless man gets 180 days for theft of candy bars
A homeless man was sentenced Wednesday to 180 days in the Marion County Jail for stealing Twix and Snickers candy bars worth about $2.
County Judge John Futch questioned him about getting a job or seeking help or getting food from the soup kitchen.
Futch wanted to know if he thought the crime was worth it.
Delvis Rodriguez-Ramos, 21, was already on probation for retail petty theft when the second crime occurred. On Wednesday, he appeared before the judge via video link from the jail and entered a guilty plea.
In addition to the jail term, Futch fined him $500 and told him his current six-month probation term could be violated.
http://www.ocala.com/article/20120829/ARTICLES/120829638/1422/news09?Title=Homeless-man-gets-180-days-for-theft-of-candy-bars-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021247241
Starts out innocently enough. To defend or not to defend a theif? Gues which position our friend the bitter old Vermontese takes?
darkangel218 (549 posts)
1. Well, i dont feel bad for this thief.
Honestly, there is no reason to steal, food or anything else. I'm glad the judge gave him a few months in jail, he will have time to ponder wether living a life of crime is worth his freedom.
Here's a hint: It isn't this one.
cali (73,692 posts)
3. are you kidding? You see stealing 3 candybars as a life of crime?
I think this sentence is insanely out of proportion to the crime, and when white collar ****wads steal billions and don't get jail time, this sort of inequity is outrageous.
Your post is self-righteous and ****ed up, honey.
Now it may be just me, but wasn't there a whole to-do about some DUer calling another female DUer "honey" some time ago? I'm thinking the MIRT dealt with it? Cali will get away with it, though. Sexist pig.
darkangel218 (549 posts)
5. Look at the facts
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He's 21, a Recidivist already on probation, living on the streets. Today he steals a candy bar, tomorrow he will steal a car. I work in the security field, I see them every day. This is USA, there is enough food for everyone, all he has to do is go get an honest job like everyone else and BUY his own candy. I'm sorry but I don't condone crime.
You're barking up the wrong tree. How DARE you present Cali with facts. Be gone, troll!!
cali (73,692 posts)
10. look at the facts: He's 21. He evidently has no history of violence
Our prisons are overcrowded. People in prison often learn to become MORE violent- that's the environment. There is enough food for everyone but lots of people in this country don't have enough food. That's established fact. So you're a security guard. That doesn't make you an expert on jack. Jobs aren't that easy to come by for homeless people and many are mentally ill.
YOU don't belong here.
darkangel218 (549 posts)
14. He was On Probation!!
And you consider stealing a crime?? You need get out of your cocoon and do my job for a bit, you won't think the same. The judge did him a favour, hopefully he will learn his lesson after he gets out.
:lmao:
cali (73,692 posts)
19. He was on probation for stealing a few cans of food from WalMart
Get out of my cocoon? You don't know me. I've worked advocating for mentally ill prisoners, and that includes murderers. I've also been a Victims' Advocate in the State's Attorneys office.
Your pov is anything but reflective of the values we share here.
Working advocating for the mentally ill, huh? 1. It must take a devastating mental toll on you, cause the results are on the forum daily. 2. OR, there's the very real possibility that you were mentally ill BEFORE you went to work supposedly helping people. In which case, I must ask; Do they do background checks before hiring people to aid the mentally ill?!?
FarPoint (1,491 posts)
81. It's food....he was hungry....
So what.....no one should go hungry;
Hunger is not a crime...
Oh, come off it! He didn't steal milk, a sammich, or a steak. He stole freaking CANDY! There is next to nothing sustainable to the body in a freaking Twix bar. Darn near all of it becomes waste. There's a litle sugar in it for your system to keep, but that's it, so don't gimme that.
coalition_unwilling (12,323 posts)
4. I feel sad for you, that's for sure. - n/t
darkangel218 (549 posts)
7. Well you shouldnt.
coalition_unwilling (12,323 posts)
13. Well, I always feel sad when I see a collection of cells that uses
oxygen and other natural resources and appears to emulate empathetic human life but is really only a simulacrum of same, i.e., a sociopath just like Romney and his ilk.
So, yes I should.
Holy shit... Over reaction much?
darkangel218 This message was hidden by Jury decision.
I'd really like to know what she said.
tabasco (17,637 posts)
78. Your lack of mercy will fall back upon you
someday.
Booga, booga, booga!!!
The thread goes on. It's a pretty decent sized bonfire, but the OP forshadowed carnage soley based on the topic. :popcorn:
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cali (73,692 posts)
You don't know me. I've worked advocating for mentally ill prisoners, and that includes murderers. I've also been a Victims' Advocate in the State's Attorneys office.
I wonder if she wallduded herself out of that job as well as her waitress gig.
Any earwigs in the state attorney's office?
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Nadin showed up way down thread to give us a link showing her vast knowlege on the subject of this story, and the plight of the homeless in general. However, the stupid bitch linked it wrong, and you can only view her OP. You can't "View all." I'm not clicking through all those responses. :mad:
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Read the article - I actually feel bad for this guy. He admitted to taking the candy, and his previous crime was stealing food.
I would like to know his history before throwing the book at him.
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Yes, I saw this bitchfest earlier, and so far it looks like cali isn't getting the ban she wants for darkangel, but I just knew this one had to weigh in (pun intended) with a "solution":
Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 04:54 PM
nadinbrzezinski (108,492 posts)
112. This is what is shocking about this story
We have a man given time in the clink for stealing a couple candy bars.. ok, so far so good.
Then we have some people here applauding this.
I invite those posters to look into their local area. Ask some relevant questions.
1.- How many beds exist for your local homeless population at your local shelters? (For San Diego that is about 500 beds)
By the way, they are full, pretty much.
http://211sandiego.communityos.org/cms/shelter-bed-availability
2.- What is the estimated homeless population? (For San Diego we are talking 10K, I am rounding numbers here)
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/mar/13/county-homeless-population-rises-86-percent/
Then I want you to ask another relevant question, if there are not enough beds do you think there are enough spots to feed these people? We may get "pleasure" from sending a man to jail over two candy bars, and giving him a $500.00 fine, good luck collecting... I mean that will teach him! But it reveals something dark in the country.
tard
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Holy shit... Over reaction much?
I'd really like to know what she said.
Ask and you shall receive:
darkangel218 This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
21. Lol dont forget to take your meds tonite.
It's also the topic of a sooper-seekrit forum thread
Don't tell anyone! (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240139250)
:popcorn: indeed
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Ah schist. I'd have to log in. Don't feel like creating an account right now either. Oh well.
I've also used my e-mail once there already, and really don't want to jump through hoops to join a forum I hate, and love to watch the carnage at simultaneously. too tedious.
darkangel218 This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
21. Lol dont forget to take your meds tonite.
:lmao:
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If darkangel is a mole he/she/it is the stupidest mole ever. Suggesting someone get a job and buy something with his own money AND not condoning crime? On DU? Why not tell rain to fall up?
darkangel218 (549 posts)
5. Look at the facts
Last edited Sat Sep 1, 2012, 03:59 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
He's 21, a Recidivist already on probation, living on the streets. Today he steals a candy bar, tomorrow he will steal a car. I work in the security field, I see them every day. This is USA, there is enough food for everyone, all he has to do is go get an honest job like everyone else and BUY his own candy. I'm sorry but I don't condone crime.
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If darkangel is a mole he/she/it is the stupidest mole ever. Suggesting someone get a job and buy something with his own money AND not condoning crime? On DU? Why not tell rain to fall up?
I don't think it's a mole. I think he/she/it may just be very young, and a bit to rational for DU. They'll either beat it out of he/she/it, or he/she/it will simply be banned.
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Darkangel gave a GBCW in GD (now hidden) and rescinded it in meta forum - both yesterday, and both pasted http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,77519.0.html in this thread.
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darkangel218 (549 posts)
14. He was On Probation!!
And you consider stealing a crime?? You need get out of your cocoon and do my job for a bit, you won't think the same. The judge did him a favour, hopefully he will learn his lesson after he gets out.
The real reason Cali detests the dark Sith lord is because she a Canadian. Wednesday she went on and on about Canadians being bad tippers. They use to come into the little bug infested cafe where she once worked and not leave her their first born. Well pennies on the dollar anyway.
She was for mandatory surcharges added to a bill for Canadians.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10021225778
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Darkangel gave a GBCW in GD (now hidden) and rescinded it in meta forum - both yesterday, and both pasted http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,77519.0.html in this thread.
While I like the term GBCW, I personally prefer YAGE - Yet Another Grand Exit. :lmao: