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Title: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Revolution on August 24, 2012, 01:04:31 AM
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DEVELOPING: With stunning swiftness, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency said Thursday night it will strip Lance Armstrong of his unprecedented seven Tour de France titles after he dropped his fight against drug charges that threatened his legacy as one of the greatest cyclists of all time.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/08/23/armstrong-ending-fight-against-doping-charges-putting-7-tour-titles-at-risk/#ixzz24ROlGXQH

Wow. I wonder if they're going to have to re-make the movie "Dodgeball?"
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: obumazombie on August 24, 2012, 01:18:10 AM
Yikes. I find it hard to believe they have positive tests from each one of his championships won.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: hillneck on August 24, 2012, 06:46:49 AM
Sounds more like a witchhunt.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: LC EFA on August 24, 2012, 06:48:02 AM
I've long maintained that there should be an "open" class in all sporting events. Persons competing in this class are encouraged to take all the performance enhancing drugs and install all the modifications that money can buy.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: catsmtrods on August 24, 2012, 07:21:23 AM
I've long maintained that there should be an "open" class in all sporting events. Persons competing in this class are encouraged to take all the performance enhancing drugs and install all the modifications that money can buy.

I would watch!
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: DefiantSix on August 24, 2012, 08:38:16 AM
 :yawn:
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Undies on August 24, 2012, 08:51:32 AM
The statement Lance gave, which was read on the local news this AM, was that he was tired of the "nonsense" and wasn't going to play along anymore.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: LC EFA on August 24, 2012, 09:06:52 AM
I would watch!

Absolutely.

Imagine you can choose the Regular Olympics or the Super Olympics.

The Super Olympics demonstrates the absolute best of what the human mind AND body combined can produce. Jump twice as far. Run twice as fast and so on.

Think of the advances in science that could be made with the injection of funding that making such things "sporting" legal would incite.

For example :

 It is hard to get funding to develop a decent artificial limb in the current economic environment. Make a sport where you can fit an artificial limb that will throw twice as far as a regular one , and have it "legal" to do so in competition  - and you'll magically have enough capital to develop one, and be able to make a half decent ROI when the product is developed, commercialised and marketed to the general public.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Wineslob on August 24, 2012, 09:11:16 AM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-oJ8sBkiIo&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Chris_ on August 24, 2012, 09:13:16 AM
Absolutely.

Imagine you can choose the Regular Olympics or the Super Olympics.

The Super Olympics demonstrates the absolute best of what the human mind AND body combined can produce. Jump twice as far. Run twice as fast and so on.

Think of the advances in science that could be made with the injection of funding that making such things "sporting" legal would incite.

For example :

 It is hard to get funding to develop a decent artificial limb in the current economic environment. Make a sport where you can fit an artificial limb that will throw twice as far as a regular one , and have it "legal" to do so in competition  - and you'll magically have enough capital to develop one, and be able to make a half decent ROI when the product is developed, commercialised and marketed to the general public.
I'm picturing lots of broken bones, blood, carnage, and roid rage.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: LC EFA on August 24, 2012, 09:16:34 AM
I'm picturing lots of broken bones, blood, carnage, and roid rage.

I fail to see the problem.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Injenu on August 24, 2012, 09:40:12 AM
I'm picturing lots of broken bones, blood, carnage, and roid rage.


Isn't that what the NFL already is?
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: DefiantSix on August 24, 2012, 09:53:38 AM
I'm picturing lots of broken bones, blood, carnage, and roid rage.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLItoeLDS1Y[/youtube]
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Eupher on August 24, 2012, 10:03:47 AM
Well, I'd say that the financial impact of winning the 7 Tours back-to-back has pretty much run its course. He's crunched the numbers and concluded that stripping him of those titles doesn't amount to much insofar as $$ are concerned.

He's maintained he's been tested all the way, in every way, before during and after every Tour and they've come up empty each time.

Sounds like there were some goodies available at the time which the technology couldn't identify in a whiz test (kinda stoopid to ban a substance if you can't ****ing test for it), and now there is the technology to detect substances in samples.

There's a lot that isn't being said. Have they maintained those samples after all this time? Any degradation in them?

At the end of the day, the "Anti-Doping Agency" does seem to be determined to jam it up Armstrong's ass, and it just doesn't make sense to fight it any more if there isn't a financial incentive to do it.

Either that or he's guilty as sin.

Come to think of it, I think chris has the right idea:

 :yawn:
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: JohnnyReb on August 24, 2012, 10:05:04 AM
Oh yes! Unlimited late model sportsman race on our local high banked 1/2 mile(measured on the inside) dirt track.....run what you brung. :-)
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: hillneck on August 24, 2012, 01:27:07 PM
Anti-Doping Agency.  Your and my tax dollars hard at work.  Even though a so called independent agency, it's funded by U.S. tax dollars.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Ptarmigan on August 24, 2012, 02:38:15 PM
Doesn't look like Lance Armstrong takes steroids.

(http://healthlevelup.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/steroidsthebad.jpg)
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: obumazombie on August 24, 2012, 02:45:58 PM
Doesn't look like Lance Armstrong takes steroids.

(http://healthlevelup.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/steroidsthebad.jpg)
If dude isn't named armstrong, he should be.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Zeus on August 24, 2012, 02:58:58 PM
Well, I'd say that the financial impact of winning the 7 Tours back-to-back has pretty much run its course. He's crunched the numbers and concluded that stripping him of those titles doesn't amount to much insofar as $$ are concerned.

He's maintained he's been tested all the way, in every way, before during and after every Tour and they've come up empty each time.

Sounds like there were some goodies available at the time which the technology couldn't identify in a whiz test (kinda stoopid to ban a substance if you can't ****ing test for it), and now there is the technology to detect substances in samples.

There's a lot that isn't being said. Have they maintained those samples after all this time? Any degradation in them?

At the end of the day, the "Anti-Doping Agency" does seem to be determined to jam it up Armstrong's ass, and it just doesn't make sense to fight it any more if there isn't a financial incentive to do it.

Either that or he's guilty as sin.

Come to think of it, I think chris has the right idea:

 :yawn:

I agree.

Lance has figured any financial gain from the wins has run it's course so why waste the time ,effort and money to continue fighting a witch hunt.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: cavegal on August 24, 2012, 03:24:50 PM
For me gotta wonder why the witch hunt all these years? If he wasn't American would they still do this?
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Gratiot on August 24, 2012, 04:00:23 PM
Sounds like there were some goodies available at the time which the technology couldn't identify in a whiz test (kinda stoopid to ban a substance if you can't ****ing test for it), and now there is the technology to detect substances in samples.

There's a lot that isn't being said. Have they maintained those samples after all this time? Any degradation in them?

At the end of the day, the "Anti-Doping Agency" does seem to be determined to jam it up Armstrong's ass, and it just doesn't make sense to fight it any more if there isn't a financial incentive to do it.

Either that or he's guilty as sin.

Lance has been the most tested athlete in all of history for doping violations.  In one year alone he received over 60, knock-knock-suprise (whether at home or in a hotel), random blood tests.  He's never tested positive.  The USADA has even admitted they don't have a positive drug test for him.  The World Anti-Doping Agency and UCI, the two strongest international doping/cycling outfits have cleared Lance and actually forbid people from participating with the USADA's witch hunt... since they don't even have jurisdiction and the statue of limitations has expired.  The Judge who tentatively allowed the USADA to have jurisdiction, even noted that the WADA and UCI have proper jurisdiction, but precariously gave it to the USADA as neither wanted to persecute Lance.  Why would they, after twenty years, they've never found anything - and he was tested with everything they had relentlessly.

The USADA's only evidence against Lance is hearsay, hearsay from people they've admitted coerced into testifying by offering them immunity from their own doping convictions and of course people with huge vendetta's against Lance.

He simply doesn't stand to win anything by fighting the USADA.  They technically don't even have authority to strip him of his Titles, that's another international body... although they can possibly coerce that group into it.  They've been vocal from the start that they consider Lance already guilty, and that this is about proving their own legitimacy.  Read some of their press releases, they're insanity.  They're not going to hold a trial in front of an impartial jury, they're going to serve as judge/jury/executioner and have already stated he's guilty - without a single positive test result.  If Lance goes through with challenging them he grants them legitimacy.  Hell, the USADA's own statue of limitations has even expired and they're only grasping at the straw that they should be thrown out because Lance's is a liar, in their opinion, for stating he didn't dope.  Even the judge called them out on that, but begrudgingly let them move forward.

For me gotta wonder why the witch hunt all these years? If he wasn't American would they still do this?

No, if he wasn't American the USADA wouldn't hold any jurisdiction over him.  The witch hunt that the USADA has is over their very own legitimacy and ego, even the presiding judge which allowed them to try Lance noted that it was obtusely obvious they didn't care about doping.  That they just wanted to be the one's who castrated Lance, when the World Anti-Doping Agency's scientist couldn't throughout his entire career, the French Press couldn't when the declared War against him, when Cancer left him with at least one ball, and the US Justice Department couldn't after spending millions of tax payer dollars.  Oh, and the USADA has admitted they have no evidence other than hearsay. 
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: obumazombie on August 24, 2012, 04:25:06 PM
It's not the nature of the evidence, it's the seriousness of the allegations. -Lib October Surprise-
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Kyle Ricky on August 24, 2012, 04:37:07 PM
I find it hard to understand how they can do this when Armstrong never tested positive for anything.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: freedumb2003 on August 24, 2012, 05:33:26 PM
I've long maintained that there should be an "open" class in all sporting events. Persons competing in this class are encouraged to take all the performance enhancing drugs and install all the modifications that money can buy.

They already have them.  They are called The Olympics, The NFL and MLB.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: USA4ME on August 25, 2012, 08:18:34 AM
Gotta wonder who he PO'd.

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Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: txradioguy on August 25, 2012, 08:40:43 AM
Gotta wonder who he PO'd.

.

Everyone who was taking PED's that he beat on the way to 7 Tour titles.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Gratiot on August 25, 2012, 09:49:02 AM
Gotta wonder who he PO'd.


While Lance has pissed off a number of cyclist over his career, this was about Lance being a major target that the the USADA could go after to establish their own power. 
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Celtic Rose on August 25, 2012, 12:12:54 PM
I say good on Lance.  This is a clear witch hunt, and from what I hear the Tour de France committee refuses to strip him of his titles without evidence, which the USADA does not have.  He shouldn't have to play along with their little games. 
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: NHSparky on August 25, 2012, 12:15:44 PM
IOW this whole thing is akin to, say, Congress on a witch hunt as to who was juicing in baseball instead of, you know, actually doing THEIR REAL JOB.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: DefiantSix on August 25, 2012, 12:44:31 PM
IOW this whole thing is akin to, say, Congress on a witch hunt as to who was juicing in baseball instead of, you know, actually doing THEIR REAL JOB.

:werd:
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Revolution on August 25, 2012, 01:59:57 PM
Doesn't look like Lance Armstrong takes steroids.

(http://healthlevelup.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/steroidsthebad.jpg)

Don't get why anyone would do this at all. Why would anyone want to be this bulbous? I mean, if he and I got into it, I'm sure I could tag him 2, 3, 4 times before he could swing his damn arm. No point in having that kind of strength if it's hard to use it...
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Undies on August 26, 2012, 08:43:49 AM
Don't get why anyone would do this at all. Why would anyone want to be this bulbous? I mean, if he and I got into it, I'm sure I could tag him 2, 3, 4 times before he could swing his damn arm. No point in having that kind of strength if it's hard to use it...

It looks like tumors. 
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: docstew on August 26, 2012, 01:58:29 PM
I say good on Lance.  This is a clear witch hunt, and from what I hear the Tour de France committee refuses to strip him of his titles without evidence, which the USADA does not have.  He shouldn't have to play along with their little games. 

I wondered how the USADA had the authority to strip him of the titles. I guess they don't.
Title: Re: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped of 7 Titles
Post by: Gratiot on August 27, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
I wondered how the USADA had the authority to strip him of the titles. I guess they don't.

Directly, they don't.  Indirectly, they sort of can.  No worries though on who gets the title, because something like the next 21 cyclists behind him in the rankings... are all dopers too according to what they viewed as evidence of Armstrong doping.  Welcome to professional cycling!   :panic:  :thatsright: