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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: txradioguy on August 15, 2012, 11:35:32 AM
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First it was the Department of Homeland Security, then it was the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and now the Social Security Administration is set to purchase 174,000 rounds of hollow point bullets that will be delivered to 41 locations across the country.
A solicitation posted by the SSA on the FedBizOpps website asks for contractors to supply 174,000 rounds of “.357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition.â€
An online ammunition retailer describes the bullets as suitable “for peak performance rivaling and sometimes surpassing handloads in many guns,†noting that the ammo is “a great personal defense bullet.â€
The synopsis to the solicitation adds that the ammunition is to be shipped to 41 locations within 60 days of purchase. A separate spreadsheet lists those locations, which include the Social Security headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland as well as major cities across the country including Los Angeles, Detroit, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Denver, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Seattle.
Hollow point bullets are designed to expand as they enter the body, causing maximum damage by tearing apart internal organs.
It’s not outlandish to suggest that the Social Security Administration is purchasing the bullets as part of preparations for civil unrest. Social security welfare is estimated to keep around 40 per cent of senior citizens out of poverty. Should the tap run dry in the aftermath of an economic collapse which the Federal Reserve has already told top banks to prepare for, domestic disorder could ensue if people are refused their benefits.
http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/
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THEN-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BARACK OBAMA: We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543822,00.html
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Seems to be mostly blue cities on that list.
Either they're planning to protect their BLUE voter base and to hell with you rednecks ...or... they know who is going to cause the most trouble.
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Us old folks can be pretty dangerous. Those Worthers can sting like hell & cause severe injury.
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Seems to be mostly blue cities on that list.
Either they're planning to protect their BLUE voter base and to hell with you rednecks ...or... they know who is going to cause the most trouble.
The real head scratcher is the 47K of ammo bought by NOAA.
I mean wtf are they gonna do...start shooting those of us that don't believe in Global Warming?
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The real head scratcher is the 47K of ammo bought by NOAA.
I mean wtf are they gonna do...start shooting those of us that don't believe in Global Warming?
You say that like it wouldn't be a perfectly valid line of reasoning to these clowns...
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You say that like it wouldn't be a perfectly valid line of reasoning to these clowns...
Oh I can see it...even though I've searched all day for alternative reasons.
Nothing seems to fit other than Obama preparing his civilian army he talked about in '08.
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I've known a couple of people who worked for SSA, I have no idea where they expect to find enough active people in their ranks to actually shoot anyone. Their employees are usually pretty well up in age themselves and a pretty sedentary bunch who just want to move the paper and resolve problems for the beneficiaries.
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I've known a couple of people who worked for SSA, I have no idea where they expect to find enough active people in their ranks to actually shoot anyone. Their employees are usually pretty well up in age themselves and a pretty sedentary bunch who just want to move the paper and resolve problems for the beneficiaries.
I'm inclined to think that all this ammunition purchased for agencies where it makes little sense is just a front for where it is really going. I don't know where it is ending up, but it's going somewhere.
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I've known a couple of people who worked for SSA, I have no idea where they expect to find enough active people in their ranks to actually shoot anyone. Their employees are usually pretty well up in age themselves and a pretty sedentary bunch who just want to move the paper and resolve problems for the beneficiaries.
Unless Soc Sec is running out of money faster than we expect may the SSA will be transferring to other agencies that would prefer to keep such purchases off their books.
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I tend to agree with both of you. Of course, what you describe is a fiscal law violation.
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I tend to agree with both of you. Of course, what you describe is a fiscal law violation.
So is half the shit Obama is doing by executive fiat.
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So is half the shit Obama is doing by executive fiat.
Mostly not, in the sense of being accountable to him, really. EOs are usually not detailed enough to specify which appropriation is going to be used, so the lower-level minions who are stuck with actually putting pen to paper on spending the money are the ones on the hook for that, if there is ever a day of reckoning on it. Nobody has ever gone to jail for a simple fiscal law violation of the bundle of laws known as the Anti-Deficiency Act, though they have been fired, suspended, fined, and the programs involved terminated in mid-stride. Violating the ethics laws is another story, a fair number of people have gone to jail for that.
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The Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General, Office of Investigations (OI) investigates allegations of criminal fraud, waste, and abuse by providers, beneficiaries, and contractors. OI also investigates allegations of employee misconduct by SSA employees. OI is the single source for Federal investigations of Social Security fraud.
http://www.ssa.gov/org/orgoig.htm#oi
OI has approximately 450 Criminal investigators, known as "Special Agents". These investigators are assigned to regional offices or field offices located across the country.
http://oig.ssa.gov/sites/default/files/Brochure%20-%20Criminal%20Investigator.pdf
Annual ammunition purchases would include ammo for new agents' basic training at FLETC, and periodic practice and qualification for all agents. 174,000 rounds per year equals approximately 380 rounds per agent per year (not factoring initial training). Semi-annual qualification would account for 100 of those, leaving 280 rounds per year for training.
280 rounds for a year's worth of training sounds kinda lean, if you ask me.
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WTF is going on? are internals showing Obama losing?
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From the comments section:
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From the comments section:
That's some crazy there.......Have Matches, Will Travel.
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GUYS! THIS IS FROM PRISON PLANET. ALEX JONE"S WEBSITE!
Please. take anything you read on that site with a grain of salt. It's best to just assume anything Troofer Jones has to say is a lie, and work up from there.
---is there a real news site that can corroborate these sensational stories? if not then they are total bunk.
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GUYS! THIS IS FROM PRISON PLANET. ALEX JONE"S WEBSITE!
Please. take anything you read on that site with a grain of salt. It's best to just assume anything Troofer Jones has to say is a lie, and work up from there.
---is there a real news site that can corroborate these sensational stories? if not then they are total bunk.
I do. First time I've ever posted anything from there...ever.
Here is a link to the posting by NOAA on a .gov website:
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=bfd95987a1ad9a6dfb22bca4a19150cb&_cview=0
UPI story on one of the DHS ammo purchases:
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2012/03/13/ATK-producing-ammo-for-Homeland-Security/UPI-91311331656764/
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I do. First time I've ever posted anything from there...ever.
Here is a link to the posting by NOAA on a .gov website:
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=bfd95987a1ad9a6dfb22bca4a19150cb&_cview=0
UPI story on one of the DHS ammo purchases:
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2012/03/13/ATK-producing-ammo-for-Homeland-Security/UPI-91311331656764/
Theres no doubt the ammo purchases are real, its the "the government is preparing for civil unrest caused by a financial collapse" BS that you shouldnt buy into.
Look at bigdog's post, the SSA ammo turns out to be about 380 per person which is just enough to cover qualification and training. The NOAA and DHS/ICE purchases also come out to similar numbers. Just routine purchases that the paulbots are going into chicken little mode over.
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Theres no doubt the ammo purchases are real, its the "the government is preparing for civil unrest caused by a financial collapse" BS that you shouldnt buy into.
No I don't buy into that part.
Look at bigdog's post, the SSA ammo turns out to be about 380 per person which is just enough to cover qualification and training. The NOAA and DHS/ICE purchases also come out to similar numbers. Just routine purchases that the paulbots are going into chicken little mode over.
BigDogs post would make sense if this was the purchase of standard ball ammo. This isn't standard issue ammo for anyone. No LEO at any level is authorized to the best of my knowledge to carry hollow points...just standard ball ammo.
The fact of what type was ordered...and the fact that NOAA ordered ammo as well is what alarmed me.
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No I don't buy into that part.
BigDogs post would make sense if this was the purchase of standard ball ammo. This isn't standard issue ammo for anyone. No LEO at any level is authorized to the best of my knowledge to carry hollow points...just standard ball ammo.
The fact of what type was ordered...and the fact that NOAA ordered ammo as well is what alarmed me.
Well the NOAA has 379 uniformed service members I would assume its for them
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So, the NOAA uses .357 Sig, eh? . . . So does the Secret Service. Just pointing that out, as the 174,000 rounds purchased wouldn't come close to putting a dent in USSS ammo amounts, IMO.
380 rounds an agent per year? That's a bit light, wouldn't you think?
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No I don't buy into that part.
BigDogs post would make sense if this was the purchase of standard ball ammo. This isn't standard issue ammo for anyone. No LEO at any level is authorized to the best of my knowledge to carry hollow points...just standard ball ammo.
The fact of what type was ordered...and the fact that NOAA ordered ammo as well is what alarmed me.
You are mistaken. Hollowpoint ammunition is the standard for law enforcement; ball ammo over-penetrates.
Some HP ammunition is restricted by manufacturers to LE sales only; an example is Winchester's 1st generation "Black Talon". I used to have to submit a letter from the Sheriff's Dept to order Black Talons. Winchester still limits some ammo to "Law Enforcement Use Only", see this picture of .357 Sig 125 gr Ranger SXT ammo (the latest generation "Black Talon" hollwpoints):
(http://www.mygunsforsale.com/357-sig-ammo/i/7-lg.jpg)