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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on August 11, 2012, 08:35:57 PM
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NNN0LHI (66,571 posts)
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71-year-old taken to the ground and handcuffed for asking Paul Ryan a question
As Congressman Paul Ryan cracked a joke about him, Tom Nielsen found himself face down on the floor being handcuffed by police. The 71-year-old retired plumber from Kenosha was thrown to the ground, placed in handcuffs, and arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest after objecting to Ryan's plans to gut Social Security and Medicare during his congressman's only public appearance scheduled during the August recess -- a $15 Rotary Club luncheon in West Allis on Tuesday.
Nielsen repeatedly told police that he wasn't fighting them and that he didn't want to make any trouble. He also told them several times that he had a broken shoulder. Police officers ignored his comments as they wrestled him to the ground despite his howls of pain.
Nielsen's comment to Ryan at the luncheon, his arrest, and Ryan's joke are all captured on video available here.
[youtube=425,350]GBhdXfCdaA8[/youtube]
You'd think that by the age of 71 you would grow up, mature and act civilized.
silverweb (12,003 posts)
16. This better mobilize Dems in a very big way.
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I've already been vehement about the stakes in this election, but the Ryan choice poured gasoline on the fire -- and that fire better get under the ass of every Democrat and real freedom-loving voter in the country.
Today's reTHUGs are set on succeeding now at the failed coup they tried against FDR. If we let that happen, the whole world will pay.
Wow. Just wow.
2pooped2pop (1,118 posts)
4. wow, what's the date on that?
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It says "during the August recess", but it wasn't in the last 10 days was it?
That is pretty damning stuff
Star Member NNN0LHI (66,571 posts)
14. Here is a dated link to a HuffPo article about the incident
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/07/paul-ryan-wisconsin-protester-handcuffed_n_952818.html
So don is stirring up shit posting a old vid.
Funny he didn't volunteer that info.
RKP5637 (20,567 posts)
8. This would make a great campaign ad for democrats. n/t
I think so too.
Ikonoklast (18,455 posts)
55. Ryan is taunting Karma, big time.
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Ryan's father, grandfather, and great-grandfather all died in their mid to late fifties of heart disease.
Beware sowing the wind, Congressman.
Karma is a moonbat concoction Karma, along with whitelight, doesn't exist.
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Old moonbats are funny, young moonbats are just annoying.
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DianaForRussFeingold (1,933 posts)
64. Sad to see an upset old man treated this way..
How could anyone tell a joke at a time like that That man worked hard all his life and feels he's losing everything...That poor old guy needed a hug!
Sad to see an upset old man treated this way? Sad to see an old man act that way.
How could anyone tell a joke at a time like that? "I hope he's taking blood pressure medicine." Antipsychotics would have been funnier.
DianaForRussFeingold. From wiki: Feingold was defeated for re-election on November 2, 2010 by Oshkosh businessman Ron Johnson by a margin of 52% - 47%.
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Russ Feingold would have to stand on Tammy Baldwin's shoulders to kiss Paul Ryan's ass.
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I couldn't understand much of what the old lunatic was saying, but he sounded like Bawney Fwank.
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silverweb (12,003 posts)
16. This better mobilize Dems in a very big way.
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I've already been vehement about the stakes in this election, but the Ryan choice poured gasoline on the fire -- and that fire better get under the ass of every Democrat and real freedom-loving voter in the country.
Today's reTHUGs are set on succeeding now at the failed coup they tried against FDR. If we let that happen, the whole world will pay.
What is their definition of 'freedom' other than not having to pay for shit? Have they ever said?
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What is their definition of 'freedom' other than not having to pay for shit? Have they ever said?
Shutting down restaurants that sell chicken sandwiches.
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Shutting down restaurants that sell chicken sandwiches.
And pizza
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Chicken sandwiches.
real freedom-loving voter
I just thought of something. Since dog whistle is the DUmp term of choice for now, the 'real freedom-loving voter' statement may be a dog whistle. Who loves freedom? Convicted felons.
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Old moonbats are funny, young moonbats are just annoying.
Not true. Both are funny as hell when they get roughly handcuffed and hauled off to the hoosecow (sp?).
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Not true. Both are funny as hell when they get roughly handcuffed and hauled off to the hoosecow (sp?).
Valid point, on one of those most dumbest TV shows this afternoon some moonbat high school kids in Mexico started calling for world peace. In the process they blocked rush hour traffic, some guy that did want to be late for work drove right over them. Mexican hippies flying through the air and being dragged under the car. Too bad the guy got charged with attempted murder.
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Don't taze me bro. It's amazing libs think disrupting an event is a constitutional right.
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Don't taze me bro. It's amazing libs think disrupting a conservative event is a constitutional right.
Slight fix. They don't like it when leftists get disrupted, for an example of that look at the guy in my avatar who had the nerve to shout a question to 0bama.
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Slight fix. They don't like it when leftists get disrupted, for an example of that look at the guy in my avatar who had the nerve to shout a question to 0bama.
What ? WTF ? You mean in this case libs have a double standard ? This has to be the only exception to the rule of lib standards.
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What ? WTF ? You mean in this case libs have a double standard ? This has to be the only exception to the rule of lib standards.
Yep they only have a double standard for this.
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NNN0LHI (66,571 posts)
71-year-old taken to the ground and handcuffed for asking Paul Ryan a question
As Congressman Paul Ryan cracked a joke about him, Tom Nielsen found himself face down on the floor being handcuffed by police. The 71-year-old retired plumber from Kenosha was thrown to the ground, placed in handcuffs, and arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest after objecting to Ryan's plans to gut Social Security and Medicare during his congressman's only public appearance scheduled during the August recess -- a $15 Rotary Club luncheon in West Allis on Tuesday.
Nielsen repeatedly told police that he wasn't fighting them and that he didn't want to make any trouble. He also told them several times that he had a broken shoulder. Police officers ignored his comments as they wrestled him to the ground despite his howls of pain.
Nielsen's comment to Ryan at the luncheon, his arrest, and Ryan's joke are all captured on video available here.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhdXfCdaA8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Can't even finish the jingle, because these kinds of people don't feel like anything else.
The guy got up threateningly, and looked like he was going towards Paul. Like any good authority, the cops were on him like white on rice. Who knows what kind of crazy asshole this guy was? I wouldn't want to find out. Good on the cops. :clap:
Sorry DUmmies. Another one bites the dust.
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The libs are getting quite skilled at catching their boomerangs, with their faces.
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You know what? The DUmmies are going to post the same brainless shit in response to this sort of thing that they always do. They have become so painfully predictable that you don't even have to go to DU and read their responses because you already know exactly what they are going to say. OMG! Romney's toast, OMG! the rethugs want to put us all in camps, OMG! this has legs. OMG,OMG,OMG.On and on and on nonstop, unchanging, brainless, senseless bullshit. :ohnoes: I swear to God, if I won the lottery I would figure out a way to buy DU, and $kinner being the greedy bastard he is would probably sell it too me. The second after the paperwork was signed I pull the plug on that unholy abomination and then I would personally take a sledge hammer and smash every computer, every server terminal or any thing else that's even remotely connected to that forum. I think I have made myself fairly clear.
Now. I have some comments about the old man in the video. Some may not agree with my position, but frankly I don't give a shit. I agree that if you haven't figured out the difference between right and wrong or what is considered acceptable public behavior by the time you are 71 then you have some real issues. I have no idea what was driving this man. Maybe he's just pissed off and just couldn't hold it any longer and had to say something, I'm sure we have all been there. Maybe he's on medication or maybe he needs to be, maybe he has Alzheimer's. I don't know, it doesn't matter. The issue here is that the police used WAY to much force in dealing with this guy. The man told them that he had a shoulder injury and they continued to manhandle him. The old fart was hollering in pain and the cops just kept it up. I am not going to dwell on this but while we are on the subject. A large percentage of the little abusive bastards in uniform that run around this country calling themselves Law Enforcement Officers are totally out of control, and it's getting worse all the time. We see it everywhere. Some examples of abuse are so blatant and outrageous that you can barely stand to watch the video. This ever increasing problem of police violence is our own fault. If we don't wake up pretty soon and put a stop to it, it's going to be too late.You can believe if you want,I don't give shit. That's all I have to say about that. If don't agree with my opinion and attitude regarding police officers and want to talk about it, start a thread and I'll be more than happy to discuss it with you.
Even though I got pissed about how the cops handled that elderly guy, what really got my blood up was that Ryan stood at the podium and make jokes about the situation. What he should have done was to man up and intervene on behalf of the old man. That would have been the decent thing to do,don't you think? He is a congressman for crying out load. He should have flat out told those cops, knock it off. That what they were doing was unnecessary and they needed to stop immediately, or else. But no he didn't do that, he stood up there and made light of what was going on, and his behavior tells me a lot about who he is. Then I have to ask the question. This arrogant bastard is who I am suppose to be voting for as the Vice Presidential candidate in the upcoming election? I am suppose to take this guy seriously? The truth is that as it stands right now I have no idea what I am going to do when it comes time to vote.
Although I have tried to remain optimistic about the current situation in this country, I guess it's finally time for me to admit to myself that we are literally teetering on the edge of a total internal melt down, the likes of which we have never seen and will probably not survive.
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Can't even finish the jingle, because these kinds of people don't feel like anything else.
The guy got up threateningly, and looked like he was going towards Paul. Like any good authority, the cops were on him like white on rice. Who knows what kind of crazy asshole this guy was? I wouldn't want to find out. Good on the cops. :clap:
Sorry DUmmies. Another one bites the dust.
After the Gifford shooting, I'd be willing to bet that all disruptor's are on a short leash. You may not have seen it on the vid, but it would be safe to say that at least one cop had a hand on his gun.
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You know what? The DUmmies are going to post the same brainless shit in response to this sort of thing that they always do. They have become so painfully predictable that you don't even have to go to DU and read their responses because you already know exactly what they are going to say. OMG! Romney's toast, OMG! the rethugs want to put us all in camps, OMG! this has legs. OMG,OMG,OMG.On and on and on nonstop, unchanging, brainless, senseless bullshit. :ohnoes: I swear to God, if I won the lottery I would figure out a way to buy DU, and $kinner being the greedy bastard he is would probably sell it too me. The second after the paperwork was signed I pull the plug on that unholy abomination and then I would personally take a sledge hammer and smash every computer, every server terminal or any thing else that's even remotely connected to that forum. I think I have made myself fairly clear.
Now. I have some comments about the old man in the video. Some may not agree with my position, but frankly I don't give a shit. I agree that if you haven't figured out the difference between right and wrong or what is considered acceptable public behavior by the time you are 71 then you have some real issues. I have no idea what was driving this man. Maybe he's just pissed off and just couldn't hold it any longer and had to say something, I'm sure we have all been there. Maybe he's on medication or maybe he needs to be, maybe he has Alzheimer's. I don't know, it doesn't matter. The issue here is that the police used WAY to much force in dealing with this guy. The man told them that he had a shoulder injury and they continued to manhandle him. The old fart was hollering in pain and the cops just kept it up. I am not going to dwell on this but while we are on the subject. A large percentage of the little abusive bastards in uniform that run around this country calling themselves Law Enforcement Officers are totally out of control, and it's getting worse all the time. We see it everywhere. Some examples of abuse are so blatant and outrageous that you can barely stand to watch the video. This ever increasing problem of police violence is our own fault. If we don't wake up pretty soon and put a stop to it, it's going to be too late.You can believe if you want,I don't give shit. That's all I have to say about that. If don't agree with my opinion and attitude regarding police officers and want to talk about it, start a thread and I'll be more than happy to discuss it with you.
Even though I got pissed about how the cops handled that elderly guy, what really got my blood up was that Ryan stood at the podium and make jokes about the situation. What he should have done was to man up and intervene on behalf of the old man. That would have been the decent thing to do,don't you think? He is a congressman for crying out load. He should have flat out told those cops, knock it off. That what they were doing was unnecessary and they needed to stop immediately, or else. But no he didn't do that, he stood up there and made light of what was going on, and his behavior tells me a lot about who he is. Then I have to ask the question. This arrogant bastard is who I am suppose to be voting for as the Vice Presidential candidate in the upcoming election? I am suppose to take this guy seriously? The truth is that as it stands right now I have no idea what I am going to do when it comes time to vote.
Although I have tried to remain optimistic about the current situation in this country, I guess it's finally time for me to admit to myself that we are literally teetering on the edge of a total internal melt down, the likes of which we have never seen and will probably not survive.
A lot oof what you are saying about the police is true, and it stems from an us vs. them mentality. Us being the LEOs and them being everybody else regardless of criminal act or intent. I don't lump all cops into that category, but way too many think exactly that way.
A huge part of our problem is the war on drugs. Our goverment actively and knowingly funds both sides. If the truth were to be told, it is the war on American citizens.
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Yep they only have a double standard for this.
If DUmmies didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all.
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The DUmmies think the local po-po was hard on that moonbat?
Had he tried it a week later, the Secret Service would have showed the old coot what REAL knocks feel like.
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The DUmmies think the local po-po was hard on that moonbat?
Had he tried it a week later, the Secret Service would have showed the old coot what REAL knockers feel like.
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A lot of what you are saying about the police is true, and it stems from an us vs. them mentality. Us being the LEOs and them being everybody else regardless of criminal act or intent. I don't lump all cops into that category, but way too many think exactly that way.
A huge part of our problem is the war on drugs. Our government actively and knowingly funds both sides. If the truth were to be told, it is the war on American citizens.
I agree with what you are saying and I'll be the first to admit that sometimes I get carried away and I don't clarify my statements. I know that not every police officer in the US is an abusive scumbag, and also that figures on the number of police misconduct reports, either actual or made up, are hard to get your head around due to the sheer volume alone. There are incidents of misconduct that go unreported. I still believe that the problem is wide spread and needs to be dealt with, right now. The problem is not unique to the US. Anytime citizens give a certain group of people authority over them there are going to be abuses of that authority. I believe it is human nature to abuse power and authority. We only have to look at our government to see that this true. We the people give the police the authority to enforce laws and by doing so we also give them a certain amount of authority over us.It's the responsibility of the civilian population to keep the police in line. We have shirked our responsibility and allowed the police to monitor themselves, the same is true of our elected officials. We let these people do and say pretty much whatever the hell they feel like, or at least what they think they can get away with, and in this day and age they get away with a lot. It's our own damn fault.
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You know what? The DUmmies are going to post the same brainless shit in response to this sort of thing that they always do. They have become so painfully predictable that you don't even have to go to DU and read their responses because you already know exactly what they are going to say. OMG! Romney's toast, OMG! the rethugs want to put us all in camps, OMG! this has legs. OMG,OMG,OMG.On and on and on nonstop, unchanging, brainless, senseless bullshit. :ohnoes: I swear to God, if I won the lottery I would figure out a way to buy DU, and $kinner being the greedy bastard he is would probably sell it too me. The second after the paperwork was signed I pull the plug on that unholy abomination and then I would personally take a sledge hammer and smash every computer, every server terminal or any thing else that's even remotely connected to that forum. I think I have made myself fairly clear.
Now. I have some comments about the old man in the video. Some may not agree with my position, but frankly I don't give a shit. I agree that if you haven't figured out the difference between right and wrong or what is considered acceptable public behavior by the time you are 71 then you have some real issues. I have no idea what was driving this man. Maybe he's just pissed off and just couldn't hold it any longer and had to say something, I'm sure we have all been there. Maybe he's on medication or maybe he needs to be, maybe he has Alzheimer's. I don't know, it doesn't matter. The issue here is that the police used WAY to much force in dealing with this guy. The man told them that he had a shoulder injury and they continued to manhandle him. The old fart was hollering in pain and the cops just kept it up. I am not going to dwell on this but while we are on the subject. A large percentage of the little abusive bastards in uniform that run around this country calling themselves Law Enforcement Officers are totally out of control, and it's getting worse all the time. We see it everywhere. Some examples of abuse are so blatant and outrageous that you can barely stand to watch the video. This ever increasing problem of police violence is our own fault. If we don't wake up pretty soon and put a stop to it, it's going to be too late.You can believe if you want,I don't give shit. That's all I have to say about that. If don't agree with my opinion and attitude regarding police officers and want to talk about it, start a thread and I'll be more than happy to discuss it with you.
Even though I got pissed about how the cops handled that elderly guy, what really got my blood up was that Ryan stood at the podium and make jokes about the situation. What he should have done was to man up and intervene on behalf of the old man. That would have been the decent thing to do,don't you think? He is a congressman for crying out load. He should have flat out told those cops, knock it off. That what they were doing was unnecessary and they needed to stop immediately, or else. But no he didn't do that, he stood up there and made light of what was going on, and his behavior tells me a lot about who he is. Then I have to ask the question. This arrogant bastard is who I am suppose to be voting for as the Vice Presidential candidate in the upcoming election? I am suppose to take this guy seriously? The truth is that as it stands right now I have no idea what I am going to do when it comes time to vote.
Although I have tried to remain optimistic about the current situation in this country, I guess it's finally time for me to admit to myself that we are literally teetering on the edge of a total internal melt down, the likes of which we have never seen and will probably not survive.
Although I have tried to remain optimistic about the current situation in this country, I guess it's finally time for me to admit to myself that we are literally teetering on the edge of a total internal melt down, the likes of which we have never seen and will probably not survive.
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Having a bad day Bondai,
Of course we will survive we manage to do so one way or the other, by hook or by crook.
You want to see some action, go visit a small town hall meeting. Some towns broad cast their meetings on Public Access, they feel the public exposure will keep people somewhat polite and orderly.
I have been told that before Cable some of the meetings turned into such mayham that children under 18 were not allowed to attend.
Sort of what we have today with the old time Conservatives trying to keep the town as it was when they were born and the flood of young outsiders moving into town.
Here is how it worked, most of the town was farm land, when the 7 Th. generation owners died off they left the land to relatives that may never have lived in the town or wanted to move there. So with some bribes to the zoning commission the new owners sold out to contractors who built homes on the past farm land.
In came a flood of new comers to the town that the only ties to the town was the new home they had bought.
New ideas and desires of the new people were beginning to take over the settled long generation family's community and change it radically. To make matters worse the farmers that scrimpted and saved to send one or 2 children to College found that once educated their kids had no desire to make low wages living in the boondocks and enjoyed the enmities a city in another state has.
So--- Town meetings became and still is a battle ground for the generations.---Last big HOO HARR in my home town was when some young Lawyers bought a out of business day care building and wanted to turn it into a strip club. WOW, the discussion of this moved into a High School Gym to hold all the pro and con citizens.
Then a bit later some out of townee's bought a farmers field and wanted to turn it into a medical pot growing business. Back to the Gym for the town folk.
We survive, and will survive, older generations will get their blood pressure up and go spitting mad at the changes, they know if they do not stand their ground tomorrow an apple orchard will become a parking lot for Walmart.
One of the few benefits of growing old, after 70 years old unless one sets the volunteer Fire Department on fire, the chances of being incarcerated is slim. May just get better medical care behind bars and a new set of choppers.
So rave on old timers, this is the American way.
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So it's a reflection on Paul Ryan on how the police treat a belligerent old fart.
Where does that leave Hanoi John after the infamous "Don't taze me bro!" incident?
That was a Kerry event, after all.
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So it's a reflection on Paul Ryan on how the police treat a belligerent old fart.
Where does that leave Hanoi John after the infamous "Don't taze me bro!" incident?
That was a Kerry event, after all.
No reflection on Ryan, just what do the libs think he should have done ????
1: could have stopped the event, left everyone sitting about for an hour or so while he back stage tried to reason with just one person ??
2: jumped into the middle of the arrest and demanded the old fart be turned loose ?
3: ignored the fact that anything was going on.
4: invited the man to the podium to address the crowd, on Ryan's time and money.
I have heard jokes cracked in times of stress, calmed the crowd. I think Ryan did just fine and handled a difficult situation very well.
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Although I have tried to remain optimistic about the current situation in this country, I guess it's finally time for me to admit to myself that we are literally teetering on the edge of a total internal melt down, the likes of which we have never seen and will probably not survive.
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Having a bad day Bondai,
Of course we will survive we manage to do so one way or the other, by hook or by crook.
You want to see some action, go visit a small town hall meeting. Some towns broad cast their meetings on Public Access, they feel the public exposure will keep people somewhat polite and orderly.
I have been told that before Cable some of the meetings turned into such mayham that children under 18 were not allowed to attend.
Sort of what we have today with the old time Conservatives trying to keep the town as it was when they were born and the flood of young outsiders moving into town.
Here is how it worked, most of the town was farm land, when the 7 Th. generation owners died off they left the land to relatives that may never have lived in the town or wanted to move there. So with some bribes to the zoning commission the new owners sold out to contractors who built homes on the past farm land.
In came a flood of new comers to the town that the only ties to the town was the new home they had bought.
New ideas and desires of the new people were beginning to take over the settled long generation family's community and change it radically. To make matters worse the farmers that scrimpted and saved to send one or 2 children to College found that once educated their kids had no desire to make low wages living in the boondocks and enjoyed the enmities a city in another state has.
So--- Town meetings became and still is a battle ground for the generations.---Last big HOO HARR in my home town was when some young Lawyers bought a out of business day care building and wanted to turn it into a strip club. WOW, the discussion of this moved into a High School Gym to hold all the pro and con citizens.
Then a bit later some out of townee's bought a farmers field and wanted to turn it into a medical pot growing business. Back to the Gym for the town folk.
We survive, and will survive, older generations will get their blood pressure up and go spitting mad at the changes, they know if they do not stand their ground tomorrow an apple orchard will become a parking lot for Walmart.
One of the few benefits of growing old, after 70 years old unless one sets the volunteer Fire Department on fire, the chances of being incarcerated is slim. May just get better medical care behind bars and a new set of choppers.
So rave on old timers, this is the American way.
Bad day? No not at all. Just like anyone else I feel the need to cut loose once in awhile, it's a good way to retain your sanity, and besides I've earned the right to do it. If I can't do it here in front of fellow conservatives and other like minded people then where in the hell can I do it? I certainly can't do it at DU and from what I have read lately I couldn't do it at FR either. It's my duty and my right to criticize elected officials and public servants like the police.(Let me note that I understand that it is not my "right" to post anything that suits me here at CC. Posting is not a right here, it's a privilege and the Admin/Mods will decide what is allowed and what is not.) Many of these officials and agencies have had a free rein for far too long. I am sure you are familiar with the saying, "Give somebody an inch and they'll take a mile" In other words, if you allow someone to behave badly at all, they will start to behave very badly. I believe this to be true and I have seen examples of it my entire life.
As far as survival goes this isn't about just surviving, it's about surviving as the kind of nation that our founding fathers intended us to be. Not some liberal imposed socialist utopia that has been slowly but surely engulfing the entire country and is shoving us right to the edge of social and economic disaster. How can you possibly deny it? I challenge you to look around. Look at the government and see how it has extended it's tentacles into every aspect of our lives. Look at our education system. We have stood by and allowed liberal educators to indoctrinate our children. for example; The teaching of the idea that homosexuality is OK and normal. That having two mommies or two daddies is normal, and that we have to accept gays because they are "special" in some way. I not going to debate whether or not the gay lifestyle is acceptable, or immoral, or evil, that's not my point. I am saying that the topic of homosexuality should not be taught to children in our public school system, or even discussed in any way shape or form. This is clearly the responsibility of the parents, period. One more example; Obama Care. Now the government is going to have total control over our healthcare and we have not had one damn thing to say about it.To add insult to injury the so called "Conservative" justices on the SCOTUS tell us it's OK for the government to do this, it's OK that we can be told that we have to buy something and if we don't we will be fined or taxed or what ever the hell they call it. So I have to ask you, what's next? what is the next thing that the government is going to tell us we have to do or be punished in some way. Keeping in mind that the current list of government decrees already violates virtually every part of the constitution, and in all probability will never be reversed. Do I really need to sit here and list example after example? I don't think so, you know what the truth is you just won't admit it.
WTH Vesta. You know that what I am saying is true, how could you possibly deny it? Then you respond by saying, "Don't worry about it, it will be OK. We will survive, we have done it this long"
Of course we will survive we manage to do so one way or the other, by hook or by crook.
Total nonsense. I can't believe you even said that. Survive you say? in what form? and at what cost? If we continue along our current path we will mutate into something that our founding fathers would not be able to recognize as anything they created. It's pretty bad right now. It's just like a snow ball rolling down hill. Eventually it gets so big and is traveling so fast you can't stop it. Sadly I think we are very close to reaching that point with socialism in this country. Why do I think this? We only need to look at who is in the white house. Somebody put Obama in there, the majority of Americans voted for him right? That doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence in the ability of Americans to even recognize socialism when they see it, or the difference between right and wrong or what's right for the country. I watched a TV program in which a group of researchers went out on the street in cities all over the country and asked average American citizens questions about how the government works and about American history. By a huge margin the majority of those questioned were found to be totally clueless about the details of how their government worked or their own history.Then to really prove how stupid and uninformed they were, as if we needed anymore proof, close to 100% of those questioned could not tell researchers who their senators or Representatives were. I guess we don't have to wonder how Obama got elected.
I know that some of my views are not shared by other conservatives and I have been called different things through the years because of it, but as I have said before, I don't give a shit. So here we are. Mitt Romney is the republican candidate for the POTUS. Do I think Romney is a true conservative? no I don't. Do I think he is what's best for the country? no I don't. Do I have faith in his ability to steer the country away from socialism? no I don't. is he better than Obama? yes, absolutely. Are you going to vote for him? what choice do I have? considering the alternative. Now that I have everyone good and pissed off some may ask, then if you are going to vote for him why are you busting his balls? I'm not busting anything. I am pointing out that there are some fundamental flaws in some the ideas he has for running the country. In addition some of his views on current issues are a little too far left for my liking.
Another example of the Republican party's attitude of take it or leave it, is John McCain. I remember when I first heard about it, I'm like,McCain? really? are you joking? John McCain has been my Senator here in Arizona for as long as I can remember, and at one time when I was an impressionable young trooper in the Air Force I considered McCain as kind of a role model and a hero of sorts. But after years of watching his shenanigans I don't view him in the same way. The bottom line is I didn't think John McCain was qualified to be president, or even carry out the duties required by the Presidency. This is all water under the bridge and I'm not going to waste anymore time with it.
Do I have issues with Romney? damn right I do. But my real problem is the Republican Party itself and their unwillingness to put up a candidate whose views and core values are more closely aligned with mainstream conservatives. It has been shown many times throughout the country that if you run as a true conservative, promote conservative values and ideas and not waver from your position and get involved in this mamby pamby,bipartisan, fence walking, pandering bullshit that we see conservatives involved in today, there is a very good chance you will get elected. Regardless of what liberals would like us to believe the majority of people in this country will vote for a solid conservative candidate. This where we get into a dangerous area. Because of the Republican party's unfortunate decision to run candidates that are not true conservatives and do not hold solid conservative values or views,they have alienated older conservatives and their base if you will, even though this philosophy has proven to be a failure time after time. In the past mainstream conservatives were willing to look the other way or compromise a little on a candidate and go ahead and vote for him, but not anymore. The gap has become so big that there is no room for compromise and the mainstream is just sick and tired of being told that they have to vote for a candidate no matter what, and as a result, they don't vote. I don't have to tell you the result of this, he is sitting in the oval office. As if enough damage hasn't been done already, you have middle of the road conservatives, a few republican party members, some independents, undecided voters and maybe even some libertarians running around all over the place promoting the idea to anyone they haven't alienated already, that even though the Republican candidate is not a true conservative and may even lean left in a few areas that you should vote for him anyway. Why? because, "He is the lesser of two evils" anybody else ever hear this? I heard it a lot when McCain was running and it took me to a level of pissed off I don't like to go. The same result, anyone left that was undecided either doesn't vote or they vote for the other guy because of this asinine idea that is being promoted. OK that's enough. I have rambled on long enough and I think I explained my position.
Vesta, thanks for hanging with me through this latest tirade, I appreciate it. If I made you mad or insulted you in anyway it was not my intention to do so and I apologize. Good day.
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Bad day? No not at all. Just like anyone else I feel the need to cut loose once in awhile, it's a good way to retain your sanity, and besides I've earned the right to do it. If I can't do it here in front of fellow conservatives and other like minded people then where in the hell can I do it? I certainly can't do it at DU and from what I have read lately I couldn't do it at FR either. It's my duty and my right to criticize elected officials and public servants like the police.(Let me note that I understand that it is not my "right" to post anything that suits me here at CC. Posting is not a right here, it's a privilege and the Admin/Mods will decide what is allowed and what is not.) Many of these officials and agencies have had a free rein for far too long. I am sure you are familiar with the saying, "Give somebody an inch and they'll take a mile" In other words, if you allow someone to behave badly at all, they will start to behave very badly. I believe this to be true and I have seen examples of it my entire life.
As far as survival goes this isn't about just surviving, it's about surviving as the kind of nation that our founding fathers intended us to be. Not some liberal imposed socialist utopia that has been slowly but surely engulfing the entire country and is shoving us right to the edge of social and economic disaster. How can you possibly deny it? I challenge you to look around. Look at the government and see how it has extended it's tentacles into every aspect of our lives. Look at our education system. We have stood by and allowed liberal educators to indoctrinate our children. for example; The teaching of the idea that homosexuality is OK and normal. That having two mommies or two daddies is normal, and that we have to accept gays because they are "special" in some way. I not going to debate whether or not the gay lifestyle is acceptable, or immoral, or evil, that's not my point. I am saying that the topic of homosexuality should not be taught to children in our public school system, or even discussed in any way shape or form. This is clearly the responsibility of the parents, period. One more example; Obama Care. Now the government is going to have total control over our healthcare and we have not had one damn thing to say about it.To add insult to injury the so called "Conservative" justices on the SCOTUS tell us it's OK for the government to do this, it's OK that we can be told that we have to buy something and if we don't we will be fined or taxed or what ever the hell they call it. So I have to ask you, what's next? what is the next thing that the government is going to tell us we have to do or be punished in some way. Keeping in mind that the current list of government decrees already violates virtually every part of the constitution, and in all probability will never be reversed. Do I really need to sit here and list example after example? I don't think so, you know what the truth is you just won't admit it.
WTH Vesta. You know that what I am saying is true, how could you possibly deny it? Then you respond by saying, "Don't worry about it, it will be OK. We will survive, we have done it this long"
Total nonsense. I can't believe you even said that. Survive you say? in what form? and at what cost? If we continue along our current path we will mutate into something that our founding fathers would not be able to recognize as anything they created. It's pretty bad right now. It's just like a snow ball rolling down hill. Eventually it gets so big and is traveling so fast you can't stop it. Sadly I think we are very close to reaching that point with socialism in this country. Why do I think this? We only need to look at who is in the white house. Somebody put Obama in there, the majority of Americans voted for him right? That doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence in the ability of Americans to even recognize socialism when they see it, or the difference between right and wrong or what's right for the country. I watched a TV program in which a group of researchers went out on the street in cities all over the country and asked average American citizens questions about how the government works and about American history. By a huge margin the majority of those questioned were found to be totally clueless about the details of how their government worked or their own history.Then to really prove how stupid and uninformed they were, as if we needed anymore proof, close to 100% of those questioned could not tell researchers who their senators or Representatives were. I guess we don't have to wonder how Obama got elected.
I know that some of my views are not shared by other conservatives and I have been called different things through the years because of it, but as I have said before, I don't give a shit. So here we are. Mitt Romney is the republican candidate for the POTUS. Do I think Romney is a true conservative? no I don't. Do I think he is what's best for the country? no I don't. Do I have faith in his ability to steer the country away from socialism? no I don't. is he better than Obama? yes, absolutely. Are you going to vote for him? what choice do I have? considering the alternative. Now that I have everyone good and pissed off some may ask, then if you are going to vote for him why are you busting his balls? I'm not busting anything. I am pointing out that there are some fundamental flaws in some the ideas he has for running the country. In addition some of his views on current issues are a little too far left for my liking.
Another example of the Republican party's attitude of take it or leave it, is John McCain. I remember when I first heard about it, I'm like,McCain? really? are you joking? John McCain has been my Senator here in Arizona for as long as I can remember, and at one time when I was an impressionable young trooper in the Air Force I considered McCain as kind of a role model and a hero of sorts. But after years of watching his shenanigans I don't view him in the same way. The bottom line is I didn't think John McCain was qualified to be president, or even carry out the duties required by the Presidency. This is all water under the bridge and I'm not going to waste anymore time with it.
Do I have issues with Romney? damn right I do. But my real problem is the Republican Party itself and their unwillingness to put up a candidate whose views and core values are more closely aligned with mainstream conservatives. It has been shown many times throughout the country that if you run as a true conservative, promote conservative values and ideas and not waver from your position and get involved in this mamby pamby,bipartisan, fence walking, pandering bullshit that we see conservatives involved in today, there is a very good chance you will get elected. Regardless of what liberals would like us to believe the majority of people in this country will vote for a solid conservative candidate. This where we get into a dangerous area. Because of the Republican party's unfortunate decision to run candidates that are not true conservatives and do not hold solid conservative values or views,they have alienated older conservatives and their base if you will, even though this philosophy has proven to be a failure time after time. In the past mainstream conservatives were willing to look the other way or compromise a little on a candidate and go ahead and vote for him, but not anymore. The gap has become so big that there is no room for compromise and the mainstream is just sick and tired of being told that they have to vote for a candidate no matter what, and as a result, they don't vote. I don't have to tell you the result of this, he is sitting in the oval office. As if enough damage hasn't been done already, you have middle of the road conservatives, a few republican party members, some independents, undecided voters and maybe even some libertarians running around all over the place promoting the idea to anyone they haven't alienated already, that even though the Republican candidate is not a true conservative and may even lean left in a few areas that you should vote for him anyway. Why? because, "He is the lesser of two evils" anybody else ever hear this? I heard it a lot when McCain was running and it took me to a level of pissed off I don't like to go. The same result, anyone left that was undecided either doesn't vote or they vote for the other guy because of this asinine idea that is being promoted. OK that's enough. I have rambled on long enough and I think I explained my position.
Vesta, thanks for hanging with me through this latest tirade, I appreciate it. If I made you mad or insulted you in anyway it was not my intention to do so and I apologize. Good day.
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Excellent rant, you would fit in well with the conservitives in the far north.
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Stupid is as stupid gets arrested.