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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kyle Ricky on August 07, 2012, 11:01:59 PM
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I am asking this from a personal experience point of view. I won't get into details about it because of this forum being an open one. If you would like to know my personal experience, pm me, and I might tell you.
But my question is this: Should a drug dealer who sells drugs to an individual be tried for murder if that individual dies from an overdose?
Here is my take on it. YES! The dealer should be tried for murder. I'm not sure what degree of murder though. Some may say manslaughter, but in some cases I think it could also be first degree because the dealer knows what can happen, and they willingly sells it to the individual anyway.
What is your take on it?
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I would normally say that people are responsible for their own actions, but if the person who dies is a child, I could see a dealer being charged with accessory to murder.
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Yes. Wasn't Michael Jackson's doctor tried for something similar?
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Yes. Wasn't Michael Jackson's doctor tried for something similar?
First, thank you, Chris, for moving this. I wasn't sure if where put it to begin was the right forum or not.
Topic: Yes, Michael Jakson's doctor was tried and convicted of manslaughter.
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Should Ozarka be liable if a guy buys thier water drinks too much and dies? No.
Drugs are already illegal and that's enough. You can't legislate personal responsibility.
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Should Ozarka be liable if a guy buys thier water drinks too much and dies? No.
Drugs are already illegal and that's enough. You can't legislate personal responsibility.
However, selling drugs is a felony in many states, and a lot of states have laws regarding a death occurring from the commission of a crime. I could see a dealer being charged that way.
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However, selling drugs is a felony in many states, and a lot of states have laws regarding a death occurring from the commission of a crime. I could see a dealer being charged that way.
How far does that go though? Like if a bank robber pushes someone out the way escaping from a bank and they get a small cut refuse to treat it and later die of an infection is the robber liable for manslaughter?
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When it comes to illegal activity in the process, like selling the drugs, or robbing a bank. Yes, the individual should be held liable and tried for such.
As for something like drinking water? Na, that isn't illegal activity.
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It's an interesting question. Kyle, you and I might have some shared experiences in such matters. They really suck is about the long and the short of it.
That said, I am going to disagree with you for the following reasons which are in no particular order:
1. There are already laws against possession with intent to sell. We could argue that the seller (drug dealer) who uses too much rat poison to cut the heroin in misrepresenting the final product and hit him up for fraud but really, what's the point? I have seen nothing to make me believe that heaping laws upon laws and adding new laws to broken laws trying to fix them does little but keep lawyers in business.
2. Adding onto crimes that are already illegal does nothing to address the problems in the criminal justice system, namely, prosecutors adding to charges to get a decent prison sentence and prisoners getting out of jail because of overcrowding, parole, good behavior, you get the idea. How about a system where 30 years means 30 years?
3. The addict bears responsibility. If I drink vodka until my liver pops there is one person at fault. Same deal if I snort cocaine until my nose falls off. Same deal if I smoke bath salts and bite your nose off. My use, my responsibility. I say this as an addict who has been clean for almost seven years.
4. Drug dealers are the scum of the earth and should be treated accordingly, specially those that breed on kids and use kids as mules. My personal feeling is that they should be, at the very least, waterboarded until they give up the names of those on the next rung up the supply chain.
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No, the idiot taking the drugs is the idiot. The drug dealer should be charged with dealing drugs but he didn't force the idiot to od.
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First, thank you, Chris, for moving this. I wasn't sure if where put it to begin was the right forum or not.
Topic: Yes, Michael Jakson's doctor was tried and convicted of manslaughter.
Jackson's doctor was convicted because he was a doctor. The doctor was responsible for monitoring the situation. I agree with his conviction.
And *YES* I think drug dealers should be held responsible for their handiwork. Their part in the death of a "customer" was made possible by selling an illegal substance. "Illegal" being the important word.
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I say No because regardless of the illegal aspect you still had a willing participant. Now if the dealer cut his product with a highly toxic ingredient and knew it would cause certain illness or death then in that case yes.
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If the user is a minor, the parent(s) should be tried for murder.
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I am asking this from a personal experience point of view. I won't get into details about it because of this forum being an open one. If you would like to know my personal experience, pm me, and I might tell you.
But my question is this: Should a drug dealer who sells drugs to an individual be tried for murder if that individual dies from an overdose?
Here is my take on it. YES! The dealer should be tried for murder. I'm not sure what degree of murder though. Some may say manslaughter, but in some cases I think it could also be first degree because the dealer knows what can happen, and they willingly sells it to the individual anyway.
What is your take on it?
No.
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How far does that go though? Like if a bank robber pushes someone out the way escaping from a bank and they get a small cut refuse to treat it and later die of an infection is the robber liable for manslaughter?
Is someone being insensitive ? That same exact thing happened to me ! I got better.