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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on August 05, 2012, 01:02:20 PM
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Bosonic (792 posts)
Several People Reported Shot at Sikh Temple
Several people — including possiblly one police officef — have reportedly been shot at the Sikh temple according to police radio reports coming out of Oak Creek.
The incident reportedly occured about 10:45 a.m. Initial reports said there were four victims, and an active shooter. Mutual aid was requested from other departments to respond to the situation. More recent information is that between eight and 20 people have been injured.
http://oakcreek.patch.com/articles/several-people-reported-shot-at-sikh-temple
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?action=wp&feedId=9840
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021076054
slackmaster (54,558 posts)
9. A society without religion is like a crazed lunatic without a loaded handgun
What an idiotic statement. :mental:
nadinbrzezinski (107,311 posts)
13. Ok, I was expecting a mass shooting a little later
Oy.
Cue the usual debate...
thanks, turning on nooz
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Posteritatis (14,261 posts)
19. They get attacked now and then by idiots who think they're Muslims.
They'll head out looking for some terrists to protect Murika against, see turbans, and start hemorrhaging their remaining IQ opints.
Happened a bunch shortly after 9/11, and I think there was another cluster of them when the Iraq war started.
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malaise (95,453 posts)
34. Thank you Michelle Bachmann and all the ReTHUGs who remain
silent and do not condemn these racists when they spew their hatred.
Cooley Hurd (19,176 posts)
22. Why does Bachmann's big mouth come to mind?
nadinbrzezinski (107,311 posts)
27. Just from coverage
This s still a very live and ongoing situation.
An ongoing hostage situation it appears.
Guys, do me a favor, don't show the cops. (Yes as media I'd like to know, as a former edic who's worked with cops, not really)
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Of course, they blame the right. Everyone knows that it is the left who is responsible for this. This is something they would do.
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Quote: "(Yes as media I'd like to know, as a former edic who's worked with cops, not really)" Crap, the battery in my Nads translator is dead.
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Of course, they blame the right. Everyone knows that it is the left who is responsible for this. This is something they would do.
Well, Kyle we can be just as bad as them for jumping the gun and trying to pin things on the other side.
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I mentioned this when I first broke the story. Freeper beat me to this thread though.
They just don't get any damn smarter. I keep hoping, but end up disappointed. :(
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Quote: "(Yes as media I'd like to know, as a former edic who's worked with cops, not really)" Crap, the battery in my Nads translator is dead.
The battery committed suicide.
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I mentioned this when I first broke the story. Freeper beat me to this thread though.
They just don't get any damn smarter. I keep hoping, but end up disappointed. :(
What will happen is, they will keep pinning things on the right in the hopes that someday they will be correct. Odds are that someday someone on the right may do something crazy they are just hoping like hell that this is that time.
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It did not happen a "bunch" after 9/11. I heard of one Sikh that was attacked after 9/11.
The shooter has been shot.
By the way, what is it in someone's nature that they have to blame a group as soon as something bad happens?
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What will happen is, they will keep pinning things on the right in the hopes that someday they will be correct. Odds are that someday someone on the right may do something crazy they are just hoping like hell that this is that time.
And we'll be there to remind them that the tally is still 1;500,000
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And we'll be there to remind them that the tally is still 1;500,000
Doesn't matter to them.
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It did not happen a "bunch" after 9/11. I heard of one Sikh that was attacked after 9/11.
The shooter has been shot.
By the way, what is it in someone's nature that they have to blame a group as soon as something bad happens?
These are the people who think that everyone at the workplace incident at Ft Hood was packing heat, and that several of them tried to shoot the Major but only made things worse. :mental:
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Doesn't matter to them.
And that's what really burns my ass. They have not ONE logical neuron/proton in their brains.
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Well, Kyle we can be just as bad as them for jumping the gun and trying to pin things on the other side.
Yeah, I guess so. But either way you look at it. Every time something like this happens, they blame the right non stop. Then when they find out that it is someone from the left, they shut up really quick and don't say another word about it.
By the way, what is it in someone's nature that they have to blame a group as soon as something bad happens?
It is their nature. To the DUmmies, everything is the rights fault.
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Posteritatis (14,261 posts)
19. They get attacked now and then by idiots who think they're Muslims.
They'll head out looking for some terrists to protect Murika against, see turbans, and start hemorrhaging their remaining IQ opints.
Happened a bunch shortly after 9/11, and I think there was another cluster of them when the Iraq war started.
History would tell us that the shooter(s) are most likely going to be moonbats like yourself.
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Police officer was shot multiple times. Prayers and thoughts for his family.
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kestrel91316 (40,333 posts)
62. Per local live interviews:
guy say his mom inside the temple told him multiple assailants, well-coordinated attack, went into kitchen and turned gas on (planned to blow up the temple) but thankfully gas co has turned gas supply off.
I guarantee you this is teabaggers and I hold Bachmann personally responsible for any harm.
:banghead: Jesus H. OBAMA! What's wrong with you?!?
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:banghead: Jesus H. OBAMA! What's wrong with you?!?
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Did you expect anything different? Soon they will be saying that Rush, Beck and Hannity used code words and dog whistles to make this happen.
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Like I said, they will blame the right until they find out, once again, that it was a liberal. At which point, they will shut up and call it a tragedy.
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darkangel218 (133 posts)
60. When is all this hatred, terror and murder going to stop??
Life is shitty as it is, why do humans feel the need to make it even worse :'(
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kestrel91316 (40,334 posts)
63. When? When we treat racists and teabaggers like the Germans did
the Nazis after WWII.
NO QUARTER.
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Like I said, they will blame the right until they find out, once again, that it was a liberal. At which point, they will shut up and call it a tragedy.
They won't shut up, they will double down on it being a teabagger, they still claim that Laughner was a teabagger.
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I find it funny that they keep mentioning the tea party about this. I would like to see one instance where the Tea Party was responsible for something like this? Then they can tell me one time where someone on the left, or the OWS wasn't responsible for something like this.
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Comandante Veneno (1 post)
67. I posted this a while back on a forum I post on.
"Sure, there are a few "extremists" people on the left but they are no where near as dangerous as the assorted Right wing groups and lone wolves. I certainly don't think I will here a report on the news that a crazy Leftist shot up or attempted to shoot a group of people he hated. However, it wouldn't surprise me to here about a crazy Right-winger or group shooting up a mosque, a group of day laborers, a gay club or any other targets that contain what they view as undesirables."
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They won't shut up, they will double down on it being a teabagger, they still claim that Laughner was a teabagger.
That whack job was no where near a tea partier. It came out that he was a liberal.
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That whack job was no where near a tea partier. It came out that he was a liberal.
They still call him a teabagger. Do you think that facts mean anything at DU?
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Comandante Veneno (1 post)
67. I posted this a while back on a forum I post on.
"Sure, there are a few "extremists" people on the left but they are no where near as dangerous as the assorted Right wing groups and lone wolves. I certainly don't think I will here a report on the news that a crazy Leftist shot up or attempted to shoot a group of people he hated. However, it wouldn't surprise me to here about a crazy Right-winger or group shooting up a mosque, a group of day laborers, a gay club or any other targets that contain what they view as undesirables."
O.k This proves just how retarded and pathetic those douchebags are. Wow... :banghead:
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They still call him a teabagger. Do you think that facts mean anything at DU?
Yeah, you are right there. The only facts they go by are the ones the voices in their heads tell them.
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kestrel91316 (40,336 posts)
69. Mark my words: this is teabaggers who are too stupid to understand the difference
between Indian Sikhs and Middle Eastern Muslims.
They are all just ragheads to the baggers.
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According to a witness on the news, aparently there was a special visting priest from India onsite today. He was shot.
This was planned and coordinated. I wonder if it was an assassination of the visiting priest.
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O.k This proves just how retarded and pathetic those douchebags are. Wow... :banghead:
Found where he posted this before,
http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=95671
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Found where he posted this before,
http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=95671
The dude is a totally clueless douchebag. :banghead:
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I thought maybe the Presbyterians did it.
You know how crazy Christian "fundamentalists" are.
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I thought maybe the Presbyterians did it.
You know how crazy Christian "fundamentalists" are.
Yeah just last week the Presbyterians beheaded a couple of Baptists in my neighborhood because they wouldn't convert. :-)
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7 dead. 4 inside the Temple and three outside the Tempe (including the shooter). So far only one shooter.
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Like I said, they will blame the right until they find out, once again, that it was a liberal. At which point, they will shut up and call it a tragedy.
You have NO idea whether this was an attack by the left anymore than they "know" it was an attack from the right. Honestly, it could be an extremist group from another religion. Yes, many of these situations turn out to be leftists but that wasn't the case with Gabby Giffords. Please don't jump to conclusions. We should be smarter than that.
Cindie
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You have NO idea whether this was an attack by the left anymore than they "know" it was an attack from the right. Honestly, it could be an extremist group from another religion. Yes, many of these situations turn out to be leftists but that wasn't the case with Gabby Giffords. Please don't jump to conclusions. We should be smarter than that.
Cindie
Jared Lee Loughner wasn't a right winger either. And they insisted that he was. My point is that every time something like this happens, the left right away blame the racist right tea party, conservative talk show hosts, and politicians for spewing hate. Then when they find out that the person wasn't associated with the right at all, they shut up and just say that it was a tragedy. That is their game plan. Everything bad that happens is always the rights fault. Hell, even the crap the OWS was doing was being blamed on the right until the left realized that they were full of crap. It is always rushed to judgment that the right is to blame. They never look at themselves and say: "Hey, maybe is our side doing all these shootings and killings". They don't see that because they have in their thick brain dead skulls that they are the most tolerant and caring people on the earth, when in reality, they are the most retarded thugs on earth.
Look here:
Left blames Wisconsin temple shooting on Michele Bachmann and ‘racists like her’
http://twitchy.com/2012/08/05/left-blames-wisconsin-temple-shooting-on-michelle-bachmann-and-racists-like-her/
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You have NO idea whether this was an attack by the left anymore than they "know" it was an attack from the right. Honestly, it could be an extremist group from another religion. Yes, many of these situations turn out to be leftists but that wasn't the case with Gabby Giffords. Please don't jump to conclusions. We should be smarter than that.
Cindie
The last I heard he was a registered dem.
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The last I heard he was a registered dem.
I did some research on him tonight and from what I saw, he hated the left and right equally.
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The last I heard he was a registered dem.
My 93 year old grandmother is a registered dem too...she hasn't voted that way in ages. I know couples where one registers with one party and one registers with the other so they get literature from both. So your point is? Loughner was a crazy **** who had a personal issue with Giffords that had nothing to do with politics. His writings were rambling and incoherent. His brain wasn't capable of political thought. That's pretty much common knowledge now. I understand that the left jumps the gun and blames us for everything. I don't want to play that game. Yes, most of the time it does end up being someone on the left but until we know who they are and what motivates them it would be ever so lovely if we didn't decide they were leftists. This is a little more than a lone gunman. Three people sound more like some kind of extremist group. Sikh's are relatively peaceful and most people are barely aware of them. These guys obviously are. Who is it who has a grudge against Sikhs? I don't hae a clue, do you?
Cindie
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Muslims don't like the Sikh in India because they won't convert.
I'm thinking that's what happened here. Fundamental Muslim attacks a Sikh temple.
Besides, if it was a member of the VRWC, we'd know the shooter's name, address, dog's name, what his last mal was, and would have interviewed everyone from their mother to his elementary school janitor by now.
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They are now reporting it as a former active duty Army Soldier with a Less Then Honorable Discharge after 6 years in service. They are also saying he had tattoo's with links to Nazi/skin head groups.
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They are now reporting it as a former active duty Army Soldier with a Less Then Honorable Discharge after 6 years in service. They are also saying he had tattoo's with links to Nazi/skin head groups.
I thought I heard a general discharge, but that he wasn't allowed to reenlist.
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According to Yahoo this is what they say.
More on the suspect
U.S. Army officials say Page was first stationed at Fort Still, then Fort Bliss and then Fort Bragg. He rose to the rank of sergeant while in the Army, but was given a dishonorable discharge in 1998, reduced in rank to a specialist for acts of misconduct.
Officials say Page had no criminal record in the military and no record of combat deployments
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/06/13141505-authorities-name-alleged-gunman-in-wisconsin-sikh-temple-attack?lite>1=43001
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According to Yahoo this is what they say.
More on the suspect
U.S. Army officials say Page was first stationed at Fort Still, then Fort Bliss and then Fort Bragg. He rose to the rank of sergeant while in the Army, but was given a dishonorable discharge in 1998, reduced in rank to a specialist for acts of misconduct.
Officials say Page had no criminal record in the military and no record of combat deployments
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/06/13141505-authorities-name-alleged-gunman-in-wisconsin-sikh-temple-attack?lite>1=43001
Thanks for the link, I must have heard wrong.
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According to Yahoo this is what they say.
More on the suspect
U.S. Army officials say Page was first stationed at Fort Still, then Fort Bliss and then Fort Bragg. He rose to the rank of sergeant while in the Army, but was given a dishonorable discharge in 1998, reduced in rank to a specialist for acts of misconduct.
Officials say Page had no criminal record in the military and no record of combat deployments
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/06/13141505-authorities-name-alleged-gunman-in-wisconsin-sikh-temple-attack?lite>1=43001
You don't get reduced from sergeant to specialist for no reason. Usually it involves an Article 15, which is a non-judicial way to dispose of a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is a federal law, therefore, someone who has been found guilty and punished under Art 15 by definition has a criminal record.
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You don't get reduced from sergeant to specialist for no reason. Usually it involves an Article 15, which is a non-judicial way to dispose of a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is a federal law, therefore, someone who has been found guilty and punished under Art 15 by definition has a criminal record.
That's what I thought. Then again you can't expect the media to get things right.
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You don't get reduced from sergeant to specialist for no reason. Usually it involves an Article 15, which is a non-judicial way to dispose of a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is a federal law, therefore, someone who has been found guilty and punished under Art 15 by definition has a criminal record.
My bet is an on post DUI, since no criminal record, coming up hot on a piss test, or sexual harassment.
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My point is, any law breaker is far more likely to be a lib. The greater the offense, the greater the likelihood the perpetrator is a lib.
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My point is, any law breaker is far more likely to be a lib. The greater the offense, the greater the likelihood the perpetrator is a lib.
Seriously, who cares how he voted? Same for Laughner and the Aurora shooter. This idiot thought it was a good idea to go into a house of worship and start shooting innocent men, women, and children. He's an abomination, not something to be used as a political tool. He's no different than a rabid dog and needs to be treated as such.
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Seriously, who cares how he voted? Same for Laughner and the Aurora shooter. This idiot thought it was a good idea to go into a house of worship and start shooting innocent men, women, and children. He's an abomination, not something to be used as a political tool. He's no different than a rabid dog and needs to be treated as such.
I don't care how they vote. I care how they act, and what train of thought leads to their actions. The type of thinking like OWSers.
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You don't get reduced from sergeant to specialist for no reason. Usually it involves an Article 15, which is a non-judicial way to dispose of a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The UCMJ is a federal law, therefore, someone who has been found guilty and punished under Art 15 by definition has a criminal record.
I read it was an "Other Than Honorable" discharge (one notch below dishonorable). Regardless, reduction from Sgt. & OTH discharge or DD would require courts martial rather than Art 15.
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I read it was an "Other Than Honorable" discharge (one notch below dishonorable). Regardless, reduction from Sgt. & OTH discharge or DD would require courts martial rather than Art 15.
'Other than honorable' is still an Administrative (The most severe Administrative, but still an Administrative).
With what he did in that temple. I can only imagine what he was like in the military. They probably gave him and 'Other than honorable' to be nice.
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'Other than honorable' is still an Administrative (The most severe Administrative, but still an Administrative).
With what he did in that temple. I can only imagine what he was like in the military. They probably gave him and 'Other than honorable' to be nice.
Lots of times OTH is given as part of a plea deal. A lot of folks think that was what Kerry got for his initial discharge from the Reserves & Carter later changed it to honorable.
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Lots of times OTH is given as part of a plea deal. A lot of folks think that was what Kerry got for his initial discharge from the Reserves & Carter later changed it to honorable.
Yep. And Kerry probably got a dishonorable for his actions.