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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on July 27, 2012, 09:34:26 PM
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unblock (21,961 posts)
the "nobody gets seconds until everyone get firsts act".
Last edited Fri Jul 27, 2012, 09:59 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
ideally, our economy is supposed to get supplies to satisfy demand. we make it complex, but it's really pretty simple. one way or another, those in need should get what they need. where resources are scarce, they should go first to those most in need.
most of us (though not those in congress or boardrooms across america) were taught as kids not to take seconds before everyone has had firsts. it's not very nice to chow down on your second or third portion while others watch you with an empty plate.
now i know right-wingers will slap a label on this that begins with "s" and ends with "ocialism", but they did that to the right-wing heritage foundation's health insurance plan solely because obama had the audacity to propose it to congress. they're firing that gun regardless.
here's the idea: you're welcome to make gazillions, but not while the unemployment rate is over 8%. if you're amassing a fortune, great. go for it. bully for you. but if you're going it while people people are begging for jobs, no dice. sorry. we're taking some of that fortune and giving it to those who are just trying to put food on their family.
here's how it works: the unemployment rate flat out can't go over 8%. period. ever. the 8.000001%th person looking for a job gets one. that's right. the federal government gives him one. or they make sure some state or local government gives him one. if congress decides to give that employee an assigment, such as fixing potholes, so much the better. if not, we worry about that later. in the meanwhile they get a living wage for doing nothing, or for just showing up. but that shouldn't be a problem. goodness knows there's no shortage of need for people doing things around here.
and how do we pay for this extravagance? we sock it to those precious job creators who are busy making profits instead of jobs. however much we spend on employing people to keep the unemployment rate below 8%, we send the bill to those making over $250,000 and to corporations. of course, it would help prevent dodging if we taxed all income the same (no lower rate for dividends) and to tax foreign income as well (no waiting until the money is repatriated), but that's another story.
if they don't like it, they can go hire some of these people themselves and they wouldn't have this surtax nonsense. so any time they get sent a bill, it's their own damn fault for not hiring enough -- for taking seconds before everyone has had firsts.
bottom line is that if the unemployment rate is over 8%, we have a demonstrably disfunctional economy. millions of idle labor resources are idle and people are going hungry. if there are others making outsized profits at the same time, then the economy isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing.
and we need to fix it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125161222
TouchOfGray (80 posts)
4. From each according to his ability
To each according to his need.
Has that ever been tried?
unblock (21,961 posts)
5. no, this has never been tried. your response, though has been tried many, many times.
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1. Human Nature
2. From No. 1 the population distribution curve, or normal curve.
3. PROFIT!!
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TouchOfGray (80 posts)
4. From each according to his ability
To each according to his need.
Has that ever been tried?
I guess Touch of Mental Retardation was too stoned through the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's. Ignoring history is such an admirable trait.
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The "give me something I didn't earn" act.
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So, DUmblock thinks money is like a consumable commodity, and wants distribution of it controlled. I don't think he's in line for the Nobel in Economics, I hear the standards are a lot higher for that than the ones they use for the Peace Prize.
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DUmmie unblock
it would help prevent dodging if we taxed all income the same
At last, truly fair taxation! 20% on all income from any source, starting from zero. No deductions, no exceptions.
One man, one vote, one tax. Equal investment for all.
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It seems these DUmmies are getting stupider and stupider each passing day.
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These pathetic parasites see themselves as children at the dinner table waiting for mommy to feed them. Not a thought to where the food comes from.
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These pathetic parasites see themselves as children at the dinner table waiting for mommy to feed them. Not a thought to where the food comes from.
Waiting to be fed by mommy gov't, who is too busy providing the "seconds". As if all things belong to the gov't to dole out as they see fit.
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After the "Nobody Gets Seconds Until Everyone Gets Firsts Act," they can come up with another gem and call it the "Equalization of Opportunity Bill." Yeah, THAT'S the ticket! And if people don't play fair, then come up with the "Anti-Dog-Eat-Dog Bill," where it becomes illegal to produce more than your "fair share."
I swear, DU is one big Atlas Shrugged novel come to live, just like the Obama Administration and the Democratic Party.
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I swear, DU is one big Atlas Shrugged novel come to live, just like the Obama Administration and the Democratic Party.
Can I be Ragnar?
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unblock (21,961 posts)
the "nobody gets seconds until everyone get firsts act".
Last edited Fri Jul 27, 2012, 09:59 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
ideally, our economy is supposed to get supplies to satisfy demand. we make it complex, but it's really pretty simple. one way or another, those in need should get what they need. where resources are scarce, they should go first to those most in need.
most of us (though not those in congress or boardrooms across america) were taught as kids not to take seconds before everyone has had firsts. it's not very nice to chow down on your second or third portion while others watch you with an empty plate.
now i know right-wingers will slap a label on this that begins with "s" and ends with "ocialism", but they did that to the right-wing heritage foundation's health insurance plan solely because obama had the audacity to propose it to congress. they're firing that gun regardless.
here's the idea: you're welcome to make gazillions, but not while the unemployment rate is over 8%. if you're amassing a fortune, great. go for it. bully for you. but if you're going it while people people are begging for jobs, no dice. sorry. we're taking some of that fortune and giving it to those who are just trying to put food on their family.
here's how it works: the unemployment rate flat out can't go over 8%. period. ever. the 8.000001%th person looking for a job gets one. that's right. the federal government gives him one. or they make sure some state or local government gives him one. if congress decides to give that employee an assigment, such as fixing potholes, so much the better. if not, we worry about that later. in the meanwhile they get a living wage for doing nothing, or for just showing up. but that shouldn't be a problem. goodness knows there's no shortage of need for people doing things around here.
and how do we pay for this extravagance? we sock it to those precious job creators who are busy making profits instead of jobs. however much we spend on employing people to keep the unemployment rate below 8%, we send the bill to those making over $250,000 and to corporations. of course, it would help prevent dodging if we taxed all income the same (no lower rate for dividends) and to tax foreign income as well (no waiting until the money is repatriated), but that's another story.
if they don't like it, they can go hire some of these people themselves and they wouldn't have this surtax nonsense. so any time they get sent a bill, it's their own damn fault for not hiring enough -- for taking seconds before everyone has had firsts.
bottom line is that if the unemployment rate is over 8%, we have a demonstrably disfunctional economy. millions of idle labor resources are idle and people are going hungry. if there are others making outsized profits at the same time, then the economy isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing.
and we need to fix it.
those who are just trying to put food on their family. ??? Putting food on anyone, even family, is very wasteful. A person who has worked hard to earn the money to purchase food knows this. A person who is just handed money that someone else has worked hard to earn probably wouldn't realize this.
And what happened to your capital letters? Are you so lazy that you're waiting on the government to force someone to come press the "Caps lock" or "shift" key for you?
I have an idea for all of you liberals who think that socialism is such a grand idea. Practice it yourself for one month. Take your income (welfare check, ebt, whatever) for one month. Seperate out just enough money to buy 30 oranges and eggs for breakfast, 60 cans of sardines or vienna sausages for lunch and dinner, and a packet of kool-aide. Then take the money that is remaining from your income and get someone to forcibly take it from you and give it to the most lazy and undeserving person available who is not of your choosing. Now, as that lazy and undeserving person is spending YOUR money and you try to determine how you are going to pay rent or mortgage, electrical, gas, and anything else that pops up think about how much you love socialism.
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DUmmie unblock has a perfect nickname.
He/she/it needs to take a laxative to "unblock" he/she/its colon, because he/she/its thinking is full of shit. :lmao:
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if congress decides to give that employee an assigment, such as fixing potholes, so much the better. if not, we worry about that later. in the meanwhile they get a living wage for doing nothing, or for just showing up. but that shouldn't be a problem.
Bullshit. The left bitches and moans when there is even a suggestion that people work for welfare, so this would never work. Even the most uneducated person could walk along the roads and pick up trash, but no, that is too demeaning.
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here's how it works: the unemployment rate flat out can't go over 8%. period. ever. the 8.000001%th person looking for a job gets one. that's right. the federal government gives him one. or they make sure some state or local government gives him one. if congress decides to give that employee an assigment, such as fixing potholes, so much the better. if not, we worry about that later. in the meanwhile they get a living wage for doing nothing, or for just showing up. but that shouldn't be a problem. goodness knows there's no shortage of need for people doing things around here.
That is a special kind of stupid,unemployment would be 25-40% (whatever the number of democrat voters) the very next day.
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Extend this to everything - sorry you can't be QB on the football team until my kids gets a shot. Wait, you are putting a pool in? nope, you can't because I haven't even bought a nice shed like you did. You need to pay for my shed first. You are buying your daughter MORE clothes? no, sorry - my daughter needs new clothes, you can pay for her clothes first. Wow, that's a nice garden you have. I'll be over later to take what what I need for this great salad recipe I have been wanting to make. I hope you don't mind, but I redirected your automatic oil delivery truck to my house - didn't you just fill your tank last month?
:whatever:
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unblock (21,961 posts)
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here's how it works: the unemployment rate flat out can't go over 8%. period. ever. the 8.000001%th person looking for a job gets one. that's right. the federal government gives him one. or they make sure some state or local government gives him one. if congress decides to give that employee an assigment, such as fixing potholes, so much the better. if not, we worry about that later. in the meanwhile they get a living wage for doing nothing, or for just showing up. but that shouldn't be a problem. goodness knows there's no shortage of need for people doing things around here.
The bolded is the key phrase of the piece. Money for nothing. Pure 100% DU lazy b@st@rd.
The DU dream.
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So, DUmblock thinks money is like a consumable commodity, and wants distribution of it controlled. I don't think he's in line for the Nobel in Economics, I hear the standards are a lot higher for that than the ones they use for the Peace Prize.
No they aren't. They gave Paul Krugman one, if that tells you anything.
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I guess Touch of Mental Retardation was too stoned through the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's. Ignoring history is such an admirable trait.
I think this guy was mocking them...
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So, DUmblock thinks money is like a consumable commodity, and wants distribution of it controlled. I don't think he's in line for the Nobel in Economics, I hear the standards are a lot higher for that than the ones they use for the Peace Prize.
The standards for a Nobel in Economics aren't *that* much higher. Krugman got one.
(Oops! NHSparky beat me to the punch line.)
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The bolded is the key phrase of the piece. Money for nothing. Pure 100% DU lazy b@st@rd.
The DU dream.
Chicks for free!! Problem is I've seen their chicks. :runaway:
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Chicks for free!! Problem is I've seen their chicks. :runaway:
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Dating myself here, but I don't even think DU women would rise to this level of hawtness...
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CaMUfxVJVQ[/youtube]
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Chicks for free!! Problem is I've seen their chicks. :runaway:
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Mark Knopfler and Sting had them pegged pretty good, didn't they?
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No they aren't. They gave Paul Krugman one, if that tells you anything.
Good point, but it's still higher than their Peace Prize standards. Not that being warmer than liquid helium is that tough a standard to meet...
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They way I'm reading this it's more of a complaint against people with compulsive eating disorders.
I've seen plenty of rich people who eat reasonable diets so obviously they aren't consuming so much food as to deny another person a plate to eat.
If you want to see real obesity you have to go to the food stamp office.