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The Bar => Sports => Topic started by: Chris_ on July 23, 2012, 09:39:44 AM
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NCAA Announces Major, Unprecedented Sanctions Against Penn State
•NCAA is imposing a fine of $60 million on the University (equivalent to proceeds of one year) — An endowment will be established to be used around the nation to serve victims of child abuse
•Penn State Football will be banned from bowl games and post season play for 4 years
•Initial scholarship reduced from 25 to 15 per year for four years
•Enter, returning athletes are able to transfer and immediately complete
•NCAA to vacate all wins of the football team from 1998 to 2011 and record will reflect change
•Football program on 5-year probationary period
•NCAA reserve right to initiate an investigation and impose sanctions on individuals
CBS (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-community-awaits-ncaa-decision-on-football-program/)
Wow.
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•NCAA to vacate all wins of the football team from 1998 to 2011 and record will reflect change
WTF?
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I don't do sports much and I haven't stayed on top of this but......didn't the coaches pass this thing up the line to those at the top...the heads of the university? If so why are the coaches and players the only ones being ...cheated...discredited? Why aren't some heads at the very top rolling?
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(http://fansnthestands.hbcufannation.com/files/2011/10/eddie-robinson.jpg)
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(http://fansnthestands.hbcufannation.com/files/2011/10/eddie-robinson.jpg)
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Well Rebel, I had to google it but I see why now.
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WTF?
I don't know who the black guy with the Grambling hat is (presumably a head coach), but as I understand it, vacating those wins means that Paterno is no longer the winningest coach in collegiate football history.
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I don't do sports much and I haven't stayed on top of this but......didn't the coaches pass this thing up the line to those at the top...the heads of the university? If so why are the coaches and players the only ones being ...cheated...discredited? Why aren't some heads at the very top rolling?
They did roll. Graham Spanier, Penn State's president, was fired along with Paterno back in November.
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I don't know who the black guy with the Grambling hat is (presumably a head coach), but as I understand it, vacating those wins means that Paterno is no longer the winningest coach in collegiate football history.
The whole thing smacks of Reactionary political correctness.
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My School will take years to recover from this. The sanctions were pretty harsh. Bill O'brien is going to have a lot of work to do. I am happy with his statement about being committed to the university.
Graham Spanier is a douchebag. I, and hundreds, if not thousands of other students hated the guy. I am glad he is gone.
They took the JoePa statue down yesterday. I'm not concerned about that. I just want the school to heal, and I don't like how everyone is going by the word of one person over Joe. No one knows what he said, it is all speculation.
I am also starting to get fed up with people who couldn't even point Penn State out on a map try to tell everyone else what they think they should do. Haters will be haters, and will do and say anything to discredit a place they know nothing about.
Eddie Robinson is one of the longest running coaches in college history. I doubt the NCAA took away all wins from 1998 - 2011 to keep it that way. That was probably the farthest thing from their mind.
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Instead of taking down JoePa's statue, maybe they should have just turned it around and had him face the other way.
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Instead of taking down JoePa's statue, maybe they should have just turned it around and had him face the other way.
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One of the local ski resorts said that if they take it down, they want it. So we will see what happens.
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I don't know who the black guy with the Grambling hat is (presumably a head coach), but as I understand it, vacating those wins means that Paterno is no longer the winningest coach in collegiate football history.
It means he's no longer the winningest D1A head coach in history. That honor falls to "the black guy", Eddie Robinson, coach at Grambling. 408 wins. As for the winningest football coach in history, that goes to John Gagliardi (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_football_coaches_with_200_wins#section_2).
But no one gives a **** about DIII football anyway. :stirpot:
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It means he's no longer the winningest D1A head coach in history. That honor falls to "the black guy", Eddie Robinson, coach at Grambling. 408 wins.
Robinson is the winningest coach in Division 1, not D1A. Grambling was a division 1-AA school. Bowden would now step into the winningest coach in Division 1-A.
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Robinson is the winningest coach in Division 1, not D1A. Grambling was a division 1-AA school. Bowden would now step into the winningest coach in Division 1-A.
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Bear Bryant?
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Robinson is the winningest coach in Division 1, not D1A. Grambling was a division 1-AA school. Bowden would now step into the winningest coach in Division 1-A.
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Didn't he have to vacate wins too? Gee Whiz!
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Bear Bryant?
...has 50 less wins than Bobby Bowden.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_football_coaches_with_200_wins#section_2
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...has 50 less wins than Bobby Bowden.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_football_coaches_with_200_wins#section_2
Yep ...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-23/paterno-is-stripped-of-111-wins-to-make-bowden-football-s-no-1.html
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No, not the death penalty, but it might as well be.
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No, not the death penalty, but it might as well be.
The thing with the Death Penalty is that it would have been worse. Something like that would cripple this town. There are a lot of businesses around here whose biggest gross income comes from the football season.
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The thing with the Death Penalty is that it would have been worse. Something like that would cripple this town. There are a lot of businesses around here whose biggest gross income comes from the football season.
Guess what--if Penn State has nothing to play for during the next four years, and the loss of scholarships is going to decimate the team for close to a decade.
Hope you like being the next New Mexico State.
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Guess what--if Penn State has nothing to play for during the next four years, and the loss of scholarships is going to decimate the team for close to a decade.
Hope you like being the next New Mexico State.
It still won't be as bad as the death penalty, as there will still be die hard fans coming in to see the games. That will bring revenue in, whereas the death penalty wouldn't. We will have to wait until the season starts to see what it will really be like.
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CBS (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-community-awaits-ncaa-decision-on-football-program/)
Wow.
Didn't go far enough. For what happened to those children, how it was pushed under the rug from Paterno all the way to Spanier and the punk ass DA that refused to file charges in 1998 after Sandusky admitted to what he did to the mother of a victim, there is not enough "sanctions" that erase what happened to those children.
The whole site should be bombed to dust (starting with Dr "Hockey Stick" Mann's office) and the ground sown with salt.
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Guess what--if Penn State has nothing to play for during the next four years, and the loss of scholarships is going to decimate the team for close to a decade.
Hope you like being the next New Mexico State.
Assuming no huge PSU players currently on the roster don't transfer, they're going to have THIS season to play their hearts out just to get a measure of respect. That's basically it. Then, the likes of the Iowa St. Cyclones will be able to beat the hell out of them in the coming years. By the way, what is this going to do to Seniors, Juniors, Sophmores, and Freshmen on the Nittany Lions who dream of a shot at the NFL?
I was shocked to hear of everything the NCAA handed down on them yesterday. I watched the kids when every penalty was announced. It was like a knife to a lot of their hearts.
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Assuming no huge PSU players currently on the roster don't transfer, they're going to have THIS season to play their hearts out just to get a measure of respect. That's basically it. Then, the likes of the Iowa St. Cyclones will be able to beat the hell out of them in the coming years. By the way, what is this going to do to Seniors, Juniors, Sophmores, and Freshmen on the Nittany Lions who dream of a shot at the NFL?
I was shocked to hear of everything the NCAA handed down on them yesterday. I watched the kids when every penalty was announced. It was like a knife to a lot of their hearts.
Those that hope or think they have a shot at the NFL will go to any of a number of other football programs that will be recruiting them. Per NCAA, they will be allowed to play as soon as this fall if they wish to, and they will still have full scholarships, as any school that takes a PennState player, the player takes along their existing scholarship, the "new" program does not have to have a scholarship "slot" for them.
Those who are realistic about their football abilities, will stay at PennState, probably get to have more "playing time" than they would have, and will be able to get a college education courtesy of PennState football. The ones who are in this category, if smart, will recognize they will benefit from staying right where they are.
PennState is an excellent academic university and that reputation is NOT tarnished....which many are failing to recognize. The whole world does not revolve around PennState's football program!!
Alumni will rally to support PennState and College Station. They will make an effort to attend the football games, and will adjust to not having the winningest coach ever in football. It is an adjustment they would have had to make regardless, given Paterno's health issues. Who knows, that without Paterno that PennState wouldn't have had a few rebuilding years, regardless of the sanctions? It was Paterno and his reputation that got the players to come to PennState, not the other coaches.
Will the program have a couple of lean years? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe the football alums will help with huge donations to help offset some of the loss of Bowl income. What's to say that some of the big time football players won't come up with some self-named scholarships to help out until the scholarships come back?
There was a time when Nebraska was one of the winningest programs in the country with a whole lot of walkon wanna-be players. Kids who grew up on Nebraska football, who just wanted to play football.
Football is an American tradition. It's a Saturday afternoon in the fall, getting together with friends to eat, drink and cheer on the home team. True fans stick whether the team wins or loses. PennState is about to find out just how "true" their fans are, and whether or not it's PennState and tradition keeping their fans, or if it was nothing but one man who brought them to the stadium on a Saturday afternoon.
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Assuming no huge PSU players currently on the roster don't transfer, they're going to have THIS season to play their hearts out just to get a measure of respect. That's basically it. Then, the likes of the Iowa St. Cyclones will be able to beat the hell out of them in the coming years. By the way, what is this going to do to Seniors, Juniors, Sophmores, and Freshmen on the Nittany Lions who dream of a shot at the NFL?
I was shocked to hear of everything the NCAA handed down on them yesterday. I watched the kids when every penalty was announced. It was like a knife to a lot of their hearts.
Rodney Erickson (PSU President) said yesterday that he had no choice but to agree with the sanctions, if he hadn't they would have faced the death penalty. I think the sanctions were fair, and considering the school could have gotten the death penalty, I will take them. What a lot of people around here are most upset about is that they feel that taking away the wins was a punishment to the students who had nothing to do with what was going on. With the people I spoke with on campus, and there are quite a few of them, they all pretty much agreed with all the sanctions, except the stripping of the wins. And they all also agree that they just want the school to heal. The actions of a few men, who should all be in jail, ruined it for the thousands of innocent people.
The students were given the option to transfer, and quite of few them came out and said that they are not going anywhere. Coach O'brien has a lot on his plate, and has a lot of building to do. But I think he can do it.
As far as the Dr. Mann comment that wasp made. He is no longer there. Thanks God, and good riddance to rubbish.
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The actions of a few otherwise responsible men, who should all be in jail, ruined it for the thousands of innocent people.
FIFY.
That's unfortunately the way life works. If you've got a guy who is being paid to exercise sound judgment and fails to do so, those people under him who expect him to exercise sound judgment get screwed.
That's why those people are removed. Post-haste.