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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Revolution on July 23, 2012, 12:57:10 AM
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cliffordu (27,058 posts)
OK - So let's say we repeal the second amendment.
Allow people handguns with short magazines and bolt action rifles.
Nothing else, no "assault weapons"
Who is going to be responsible for gathering up all those ugly black guns with the bayonet mounts and the suppressors and the big magazines?
How many "gun nuts" would fight to the death? Would their slaughter and the killing of those (10,000? 20,000?, 100,000?) tasked with the removal of said guns be worth it to rid the US of "gun nuts"? (you know, the bloodthirsty small peckered variety so deeply loved here in DU.....)
Are you willing to kill a million people to take ugly guns away? two million?? five million?
What would you use to remove these guns? The military and their firepower? Turned wholesale against the civilian population?
If you use the military, how are they going to restrict movement so guns cannot be smuggled out of areas not yet searched into already 'cleansed' areas??
At gunpoint.
I think banning ugly guns is fine, except that it will solve nothing. That's because once you've banned them, you have to take them away from your neighbors. And that is a whole 'nother thing, amigo.
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Now....what exactly were you saying about my pecker, junior?
Seriously though, if they tried taking the firearms away from everybody in this country, not may would give them up for one. For another thing, it would cost way too much money, and manpower to even try to attempt this. The DUmmy's right in this cast. Absolutely stupid idea.
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I still say that banning guns would have the same effect as what happened when alcohol was banned ninety years ago.
Ban guns, and everybody and his uncle and his dog and cat will want, and get, a gun.
And the market would be controlled, as that in alcohol had been, by undesirable elements rather than respectable law-abiding people and enterprises.....and coindentially, difficult to regulate and tax.
We all know how the primitives love regulations and taxes.
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You can put down the bong. As I explained the other day, any reapeal of the 2nd amendment takes 38 states. You probably have no more than a handful. Sorry.
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I see an old song shooting to #1 on the the top 40 list....
"I shot the sheriff"
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This has always been a DUmmie wet dream, but there is no way that it would ever happen the idea borders on insanity. Raise your hands out there CU...how many of you will peacefully stand in line like a sheep and turn your guns in like they did in England....... :lmao:
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This has always been a DUmmie wet dream, but there is no way that it would ever happen the idea borders on insanity. Raise your hands out there CU...how many of you will peacefully stand in line like a sheep and turn your guns in like they did in England....... :lmao:
Only after we've made sure that they are in perfect working order...get my drift? :-)
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I think it will be less than 5000 dead gun grabbers before the gun grabbers decide they don't want to take guns away.
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I think it will be less than 5000 dead gun grabbers before the gun grabbers decide they don't want to take guns away.
I'd rather not find out. Like Waco and innumerable other cluster****s, once the government starts something stupid, they are extremely unwilling to drop back and recalculate the original wisdom of it.
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I'd rather not find out. Like Waco and innumerable other cluster****s, once the government starts something stupid, they are extremely unwilling to drop back and recalculate the original wisdom of it.
I think it would make a difference where you took the 5,000 from. Do you take them from the top or the bottom? 500 from the top would probably stop it dead in it's tracks.
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Lets ask the Canadians how well their attempt to get all the long guns registered worked for them.
1. Cost over 2 Billion in Canadian dollars for a system to register shotguns and rifles that was supposed to only cost about 100 million at best.
2. Most Canadian gun owners refused to register their rifles and shotguns.
3. It was never going to be followed by criminals anyway.
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Lets ask the Canadians how well their attempt to get all the long guns registered worked for them.
1. Cost over 2 Billion in Canadian dollars for a system to register shotguns and rifles that was supposed to only cost about 100 million at best.
2. Most Canadian gun owners refused to register their rifles and shotguns.
3. It was never going to be followed by criminals anyway.
...and U.S.A. DUmmies still don't and will never get that point.
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Ok. I am going to put on my independent hat here and probably get bitch slapped for it as well.
My thoughts is not to repeal the 2nd amendment, I am a stout believer of the 2nd. But name a time that you need to use an ak47 to go hunting?
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Ok. I am going to put on my independent hat here and probably get bitch slapped for it as well.
My thoughts is not to repeal the 2nd amendment, I am a stout believer of the 2nd. But name a time that you need to use an ak47 to go hunting?
For those times when a DUmmie thinks that the government has entitled him to use the tree stand that you bought, paid for, lugged into the woods and mounted.
Personally, I'd go for a 12 ga. and deer shot.
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Ok. I am going to put on my independent hat here and probably get bitch slapped for it as well.
My thoughts is not to repeal the 2nd amendment, I am a stout believer of the 2nd. But name a time that you need to use an ak47 to go hunting?
Where does it say "...But only for hunting" in the Second Amendment?
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Where does it say "...But only for hunting" in the Second Amendment?
Yea this. ^
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Where does it say "...But only for hunting" in the Second Amendment?
It doesn't :lmao: But seriously when do you? Believe, I am all for if you want to own one. But I think it should just be limited to target practice and showing off at gun shows.
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It doesn't :lmao: But seriously when do you? Believe, I am all for if you want to own one. But I think it should just be limited to target practice and showing off at gun shows.
Using that logic, owning a car should be limited to the purposes of driving to work and back.
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Using that logic, owning a car should be limited to the purposes of driving to work and back.
So you agree with using an AK-47 for hunting? Imagine how much of the deer would be left if you used it? I am guessing none :rotf:
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There are some big deer around here. :whistling:
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There are some big deer around here. :whistling:
You should see some of the elk up around where my wife is from. Talk about huge.
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But name a time that you need to use an ak47 to go hunting?
A real full auto AK47 or semiauto clone?
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So you agree with using an AK-47 for hunting? Imagine how much of the deer would be left if you used it? I am guessing none :rotf:
Seeing that the 7.62x39 round is slightly less of a performer than the ol' .30 Winchester Center Fire, there'd be a fair amount. One of my co-workers uses one for deer because his divorce pretty much tapped him out of the funds he was going to use for a Savage 110 in .30-06, and he already had the AK.
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Where does it say "...But only for hunting" in the Second Amendment?
Hi 5.
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Seeing that the 7.62x39 round is slightly less of a performer than the ol' .30 Winchester Center Fire, there'd be a fair amount. One of my co-workers uses one for deer because his divorce pretty much tapped him out of the funds he was going to use for a Savage 110 in .30-06, and he already had the AK.
I know people who use SKS rifles for the same reason.
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So you agree with using an AK-47 for hunting? Imagine how much of the deer would be left if you used it? I am guessing none :rotf:
1. A full auto no-shit Soviet Red Army Infantry AK-47 is illegal as hell in the USA right now, without an anal exam of a background check and a $300 tax on top of whatever ungodly amount you'd have to pay for the weapon itself. The "AK-47s" available for (relatively) easy sale are semiautomatics. They are ugly and easily demonizable by those with an agenda (you, perhaps?) but mechanically inferior to a WW2 M-1 Garand in almost every respect (and you can -- still --buy those from the government!).
2. Any jackass who would empty a 30-round mag into a deer deserves the few pounds of usable meat he would find in the carcass. A well-placed, controlled three-round burst, on the other hand, wouldn't do any more damage than three rounds from a bolt-action Remington 870.
3. The Second Amendment isn't about hunting, anyway. It's about ensuring that the People have access to weaponry sufficient to keep the government-- the People's servants and employees-- from getting too uppity.
4. The American Way of Rights has never been about need, either. The whole idea is that we have the right, the freedom, the liberty to do what we wanna, just because we wanna, with damfew restrictions that basically amount to "my right to swing my fist ends at the tip of your nose."
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Ok. I am going to put on my independent hat here and probably get bitch slapped for it as well.
My thoughts is not to repeal the 2nd amendment, I am a stout believer of the 2nd. But name a time that you need to use an ak47 to go hunting?
When you have it, and no money for anything else.
I would prefer to have one for home defense. You kow, for vamints of the 2 legged variety. Don't want them to get too close.
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I've taken deer with my Chinese milsurp SKS (Which I sporterized a good bit), it shoots the same round as the AK. Just because something CAN take a 30-rounder doesn't mean you have to USE 30 rounds at a time, it's a violation of most state game laws to have more than a 5 or 10 rounder in it anyway if you're hunting.
And what BSS said is correct. The 7.62X39 is just a mid-power .30 cal round, very roughly on a par with a .30-30 in terms of ballistics.
I might add that "Target shooting" takes in a lot more territory than microscopically-thorough benchrest shooters, which is what comes to the mind of the average journalist (Such as it is) when they start going off on this, it encompasses activities like Knob Creek, shoothouses, cowboy shooters with their lame handloads, and ripping off magazine a bump-fire in your backyard (If you live outside town limits like me).
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So you all don't care what you use for hunting, just so it shoots? I can see some of your points, and they are some good ones. I just find it odd that someone would use a ak47 to hunt deer. I guess that is just me.
Edited to add missing words.. This stupid keyboard.
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Where does it say "...But only for hunting" in the Second Amendment?
There you go...you just had to bring that up.
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So you all don't care what you use for hunting, just so it shoots? I can some of your points, and they are some good ones. I just find it odd that someone would use a ak47 to hunt deer. I guess that is just me.
I woldn't use a pellet gun to shoot a deer.
You have to use a gun powerful enough for the game you're hunting. Also, an AK 47 or an SKS, is (in America) a semiautomaic rifle. No different than the semi autos some makers have for hunting. It's just the perception of the rifle as being a menace, and cheap to get.
Sheesh...city boys...
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Ok. I am going to put on my independent hat here and probably get bitch slapped for it as well.
My thoughts is not to repeal the 2nd amendment, I am a stout believer of the 2nd. But name a time that you need to use an ak47 to go hunting?
Oh, you and I ain't gonna get along with your new sig, and avy, buddy. :tongue: :fuelfire:
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Second Amendment repealed, DUmmies?
Only in your little world. Hell, you probably beat off to the thought of disarming us more than you jerked off to the bra and panty section of the 1974 Spring JC Penney catalog.
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Oh, you and I ain't gonna get along with your new sig, and avy, buddy. :tongue: :fuelfire:
The Steelers are the best team in the NFL. No one will ever be better than them :-)
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Second Amendment repealed, DUmmies?
Only in your little world. Hell, you probably beat off to the thought of disarming us more than you jerked off to the men's underwear section of the 1974 Spring JC Penney catalog.
Fixed for accuracy.
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The Steelers are the best team in the NFL. No one will ever be better than them :-)
Packers. Superbowl I, Superbowl II, Suverbowl XXXI, Superbowl XLV, and numerous other NFL Championship titles before there even was a Superbowl. So much history. So much excitement, and a feeling on that field like none of the other 31 team fields out there.
Packers >>>>>> Squealers (I've always hated them)
Period.
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Fixed for accuracy.
^5 for steel on target.
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Packers. Superbowl I, Superbowl II, Suverbowl XXXI, Superbowl XLV, and numerous other NFL Championship titles before there even was a Superbowl. So much history. So much excitement, and a feeling on that field like none of the other 31 team fields out there.
Packers >>>>>> Squealers (I've always hated them)
Period.
Steelers have six wins. More than any other in history ... :tongue:
Also the Steelers have never moved out of the city they started in. As for the Packers. I do like them. They are a dynasty like the Steelers. But the steelers are still better ..
edited to add second paragraph.
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I've taken deer with my Chinese milsurp SKS (Which I sporterized a good bit), it shoots the same round as the AK. Just because something CAN take a 30-rounder doesn't mean you have to USE 30 rounds at a time, it's a violation of most state game laws to have more than a 5 or 10 rounder in it anyway if you're hunting.
Said co-worker has a 5-rounder for his AK for deer hunting, and a 30-rounder or two otherwise (pre-ban, because NYS still has an AWB in place).
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Said co-worker has a 5-rounder for his AK for deer hunting, and a 30-rounder or two otherwise (pre-ban, because NYS still has an AWB in place).
My SKS has a 5-round after-market mag that fits more-or-less flush with the stock, which is a black synthetic with a sporter profile; I bought and modified a shotgun scope mount so I could have firm mount-to-receiver contact, instead of the sloppy action-cover mounting that is so common on them. Unfortunately mine seems to have seen a Hell of a lot of service with the PLA or ChiCom militia more likely, before the Chinese surped it off to the US in the 80s, when I bought it, and the barrel is pretty worn; it's quite sensitive to the brand of ammo it gets fed when it comes to accuracy, seems to like Federal best. I'm thinking of rebarrelling it, parts are a whole lot easier to get now than when I bought it.
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The 2nd amendment is the constitutional insurance clause in case we ever have to take back our own govt.
90% of guns owned are not for hunting. they exist only to kill people.
The reason Obama and the rats want to take our guns away is simple: They intend to do things that would cause you to to grab a gun and defend yourself. The only reason we are free today is private ownership of guns.
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The 2nd amendment is the constitutional insurance clause in case we ever have to take back our own govt.
90% of guns owned are not for hunting. they exist only to kill people.
The reason Obama and the rats want to take our guns away is simple: They intend to do things that would cause you to to grab a gun and defend yourself. The only reason we are free today is private ownership of guns.
True. The government can handle a few gun nuts with guns but not 50 million solid citizens types with guns.
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True. The government can handle a few gun nuts with guns but not 50 million solid citizens types with guns.
And that is why it is always about making guns harder to get, and not stiffer penalties for people that commit crimes with guns.
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Ok. I am going to put on my independent hat here and probably get bitch slapped for it as well.
My thoughts is not to repeal the 2nd amendment, I am a stout believer of the 2nd. But name a time that you need to use an ak47 to go hunting?
Shooting is also a sport. Some people never shoot at animals. Shooting competitions provide jobs for many people. Gosh, I know at least one little town in IL that is home to two big names in friearms and they sure do provide a lot of jobs for many of my friends.
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And that is why it is always about making guns harder to get, and not stiffer penalties for people that commit crimes with guns.
Many years ago S.C. had a law that said that if you committed a crime with a gun, it was an automatic 7 years, no parole. Still got that law but judges ignore it.
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Shooting is also a sport. Some people never shoot at animals. Shooting competitions provide jobs for many people. Gosh, I know at least one little town in IL that is home to two big names in friearms and they sure do provide a lot of jobs for many of my friends.
Yup, it is a sport and I agree with it, which is why I said in another post in thread about using them just for target practice and gun shows.
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My SKS has a 5-round after-market mag that fits more-or-less flush with the stock, which is a black synthetic with a sporter profile; I bought and modified a shotgun scope mount so I could have firm mount-to-receiver contact, instead of the sloppy action-cover mounting that is so common on them. Unfortunately mine seems to have seen a Hell of a lot of service with the PLA or ChiCom militia more likely, before the Chinese surped it off to the US in the 80s, when I bought it, and the barrel is pretty worn; it's quite sensitive to the brand of ammo it gets fed when it comes to accuracy, seems to like Federal best. I'm thinking of rebarrelling it, parts are a whole lot easier to get now than when I bought it.
My dad's got the same SKS mag on his. Anything over 5 rounds in a semiauto for big game in NY is illegal.
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Two words would suffice to answer the OP's question.
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If you are hunting rabbits, you should be careful to keep an eye out for lions.
If you are hunting lions, you can ignore the rabbits.
I hunt rabbits with AK's, because I never know when I might be attacked by a sasquatch.
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If you are hunting rabbits, you should be careful to keep an eye out for lions.
If you are hunting lions, you can ignore the rabbits.
I hunt rabbits with AK's, because I never know when I might be attacked by a sasquatch.
I think Michelle is in London on vacation representing the US for the Olympics. (Go figure, they pick someone to represent the US who has only been proud of the US for 3 years or so.)
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I think Michelle is in London on vacation representing the US for the Olympics. (Go figure, they pick someone to represent the US who has only been proud of the US for 3 years or so.)
We can only assume she is proud of her country for the last 3 years. I don't remember here actually saying that. We don't have to assume about her pride for her country prior to that.
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So you all don't care what you use for hunting, just so it shoots? I can see some of your points, and they are some good ones. I just find it odd that someone would use a ak47 to hunt deer. I guess that is just me.
Edited to add missing words.. This stupid keyboard.
OK, I will bite.
I hunt whitetail in Virginia with an AK. With a slight tweak on the sights it is just as accurate as an AR or any hunting rifle at the ranges that you would encounter a deer. The heavier round in the AK 7.62x39 makes going through brush better than the .223 or 5.56 as it does not deflect like the lighter rounds do. It is also much lighter and I can carry it for longer periods (I am a 125lb female). There is no difference in the AK-47 or the Savage or Ruger (sold as a hunting rifles). But the latter two are heavier. Nothing over a 5 round magazine is permitted in this state so no 100 round drum mags here.
The meat loss is minimal with a decent shot.
I am telling you this as a hunter as well as someone who is trained to also treat gun shot wounds.
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There was a well known old man here that claimed he hunted quail with a .22 rifle. Some of his buddies asked him how he did it.
Old hunter, "Well, you know how when you first flush them and they take flight, they shit".
Buddies, "Yeah but what's that got to do with shooting quail on the wing with a .22 rifle."
Old hunter, "Well, right after they shit, they look back at whatever flushed them".
Buddies, "So what."
Old hunter, "Well, that's what makes shooting them with a rifle so easy. When they look back at you, you shoot them between the eyes."
No kidding, that old hunter was a hellava quail hunter with a shotgun. He used an old 12 ga. single barrel and could 2 and sometime 3 shots off on a covey rise. ...and he always got more than 2 quail on a covey rise. And a single didn't stand a chance against him.
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I wonder if they would change their tunes if guns were banned, and armed criminals ran rampant.
Whine and cry, "Where are all the people to protect me?"
I doubt it.
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I wonder if they would change their tunes if guns were banned, and armed criminals ran rampant.
Whine and cry, "Where are all the people to protect me?"
I doubt it.
IIRC, in England the cops don't usually carry guns. Would the DUmmies expect that to happen here?
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My thoughts is not to repeal the 2nd amendment, I am a stout believer of the 2nd. But name a time that you need to use an ak47 to go hunting?
Feral hogs...just to name one. The round works perfectly and its one shot and done. It kinda seems like you don't know excressence (as our esteemed Coach would say) about firearms so maybe you should stop with the foolish "target shooting and gun shows" crap before you make yourself sound even more clueless. Gun shows are for buying, selling and trading with maybe only one or two people displaying their guns only for people to view.
I've taken a feral hog with an AK, SKS, M44 Mosin Nagant, K98 Mauser, M1 Garand and my 03A3 Springfield. Which of those do you find acceptable or appropriate to hunt with? Still have a few more surplus rifles I'd like to take down a hog with...maybe when it cools off a little.
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Feral hogs are starting to show up in the Adirondacks, and I've heard of them being over by Carl's neck of the woods. NYS DEC wants the things gone. All one needs is a small-game liscence and something to shoot them with. No bag limits. An AK would be good for those, but I'd want a Colt LE-901, myself. An AR in .308 Winchester.
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Feral hogs are starting to show up in the Adirondacks, and I've heard of them being over by Carl's neck of the woods. NYS DEC wants the things gone. All one needs is a small-game liscence and something to shoot them with. No bag limits. An AK would be good for those, but I'd want a Colt LE-901, myself. An AR in .308 Winchester.
They're an on-again, off-again problem here, you can basically shoot them anywhere you can legally fire a gun, no license required, except for a time-out in deer season.
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Moose and bear. Neither one of which I'd want to screw with. 'Specially momma.
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They're an on-again, off-again problem here, you can basically shoot them anywhere you can legally fire a gun, no license required, except for a time-out in deer season.
I think that the NYS DEC might not have the 'deer season time-out' for feral hogs. :-)
In any event, my father told me about a month ago that, due to his advancing age (71), he's getting recoil-sensitive, and he wants to use a Redhawk .44 Magnum as his primary deer weapon. I told him that he could get a .243 Winchester, or even use his 94 in .30 WCF. He said nooooo, he wants to use the Redhawk (which I think was the purpose all along). Seeing that another one of the deer camp members has developed cancer (Stage IV lung, and he hasn't smoked in almost 30 years), there just may be a bed for my dad this year.
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You guys have some great reasons to use an AK47 for hunting. I never thought of any of them. Good Job, everyone. :cheersmate:
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You guys have some great reasons to use an AK47 for hunting. I never thought of any of them. Good Job, everyone. :cheersmate:
Getting back to the 'control the wild hogs' reason, they tend to travel in groups. If, for some strange reason, you don't nail the biggest boar with the first shot (but instead get one of his sows), he may decide to ruin your day at that time.
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Getting back to the 'control the wild hogs' reason, they tend to travel in groups. If, for some strange reason, you don't nail the biggest boar with the first shot (but instead get one of his sows), he may decide to ruin your day at that time.
I don't think that would make for a very pleasant experience. Wow.
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Getting back to the 'control the wild hogs' reason, they tend to travel in groups. If, for some strange reason, you don't nail the biggest boar with the first shot (but instead get one of his sows), he may decide to ruin your day at that time.
That's why you should only hunt them from helicopters, like real tracker/hunters do.
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I still say that banning guns would have the same effect as what happened when alcohol was banned ninety years ago.
Ban guns, and everybody and his uncle and his dog and cat will want, and get, a gun.
And the market would be controlled, as that in alcohol had been, by undesirable elements rather than respectable law-abiding people and enterprises.....and coindentially, difficult to regulate and tax.
We all know how the primitives love regulations and taxes.
And a lot of those will be fully automatic. Bet on it.
Unintended consequences, DUllards. Unintended consequences.
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2nd Amendment Repealed. Now What?! ...Considering that I have more experience driving bulldozers than flying airplanes....I'd buy a tank.