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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Ballygrl on July 09, 2012, 07:17:50 PM
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http://election.democraticunderground.com/1002921317
Huey P. Long (1,814 posts)
Wealthy socialite and top Democratic donor Denise Rich denounces her U.S. citizenship - saving her tens of millions of dollars in taxes
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PUBLISHED: 09:43 EST, 9 July 2012 | UPDATED: 11:06 EST, 9 July 2012
By Reuters Reporter
Denise Rich, the wealthy socialite and former wife of pardoned billionaire trader Marc Rich, has given up her U.S. citizenship - and, with it, much of her U.S. tax bill.
Rich, 68, a Grammy-nominated songwriter, top Democratic donor and glamorous figure in European royalty circles, renounced her American passport in November, according to her lawyer.
Her maiden name, Denise Eisenberg, appeared in the Federal Register on April 30 in a quarterly list of Americans who renounced their U.S. citizenship and permanent residents who handed in their green cards
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Tierra_y_Libertad (34,135 posts)
1. Top Donor/Receives presidential pardon...Gosh. You think there might be a connection?
Huey P. Long (1,814 posts)
2. Our HERO Holder helped them too! Its all one big club, and we're not in it!
Egalitarian Thug (2,045 posts)
3. But, but, but, Democratic rich people are good... n/t
SidDithers (21,644 posts)
4. Would you give up your citizenship for "tens of millions of dollars"?...
MadHound (31,389 posts)
5. Would you? n/t
Huey P. Long (1,814 posts)
6. This guy above will twist and turn ANY way to excuse these people, won't he?
SidDithers (21,644 posts)
24. "This guy above"...
:rotf:
Huey P. Long (1,814 posts)
25. Are you a girl? Either sex, you certainly are an apologist.
Tarheel_Dem (14,393 posts)
10. Why bring Holder into this? Rich's pardon happened on Clinton's watch. There are lots...
of extremely rich Dems, some of whom tried to mount a Draft Hillary campaign against the president's reelection. There are rich assholes, and there are assholes who don't have a dime. Some assholes just smell nicer than others. What's your point?
Huey P. Long (1,814 posts)
12. Maybe because Holder advocated for Marc? Or do you want us to bury our heads again?
Holder the HERO! lol
FarCenter (10,633 posts)
13. The real reason Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich
During Eric Holder's confirmation hearing, Arlen Specter scolded the attorney general-designate, but no one mentioned Israeli pressure.
Still, it would have been a refreshing change from the usual confirmation minuet if instead of humbly apologizing, Holder had tartly instructed the buffoonish Specter, his fellow senators, the press, and the public about the actual circumstances of the Rich affair. He might have started with the fact that continuous lobbying on Rich’s behalf from the highest Israeli leaders and their American friends — among whom Specter no doubt counts himself — became even more intense in the days before Clinton left office. He could have noted that such pressures coincided with Clinton’s efforts to conclude a peace agreement between the Israelis and Palestinians. And he could have explained to Specter that Rich’s deals in Iran and Iraq were often related to his other role — as an asset of the Mossad who gathered intelligence and helped to rescue endangered Jews from those regimes.
It is clear that Holder and his colleagues in the Justice Department had ample reason for concern over the proposed pardon, in part because pardoning a fugitive violated precedent. But for the Post to call him “the pardoner†in a front-page headline directing readers to the editorial was grossly unfair. Clinton had sole constitutional discretion to grant the pardon, and he would have done so whether Holder liked it or not.
But Holder understood that there were deeper reasons why the pardon was likely to be approved, which had nothing to do with the political and charitable contributions of Rich’s ex-wife, the Manhattan socialite Denise Rich. The New York Times offered just a hint in a front-page story that appeared shortly after the Holder nomination was announced. Only at the very end did the Times mention the pressure from “the Israelis†that had persuaded Holder not to oppose the pardon — as he told Beth Nolan, then the White House counsel.
whatchamacallit (6,682 posts)
48. Why are you trashing democrats?
I hate these purity posts!
HiPointDem (3,302 posts)
53. she's an ugly person, despite the obvious work she's had done and the fake tan.
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The fact that the current AG Holder was the attorney for the Marc Rich pardon should in no way bring any responsibility on him. Just like F&F.
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Hypocrites
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Put her name on the terrorist list and don't ever let her back into the U.S. for any reason.
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Hey Huey! Are 'renounce' and 'denounce' synonyms? Help out a poor ignorant Conservative here. 'Renounce' looked ok in the original.
Huey P. Long (1,814 posts)
Wealthy socialite and top Democratic donor Denise Rich denounces her U.S. citizenship - saving her tens of millions of dollars in taxes
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PUBLISHED: 09:43 EST, 9 July 2012 | UPDATED: 11:06 EST, 9 July 2012
By Reuters Reporter
Denise Rich, the wealthy socialite and former wife of pardoned billionaire trader Marc Rich, has given up her U.S. citizenship - and, with it, much of her U.S. tax bill.
Rich, 68, a Grammy-nominated songwriter, top Democratic donor and glamorous figure in European royalty circles, renounced....<remainder snipped>
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It's a pretty good read. They fight, as usual.
Tarheel_Dem (14,399 posts)
82. The poster's smug approach may be suitable for his/her coffee klatch or "classical lit" book club, but it's not a winner with Jane & Joe Sixpack. It smacks of " Nah Nah Boo Boo, I'm smarter than you" . It's why there will never be another hardcore liberal in the WH. Many so called "liberals" come off as pompous, overeducated, overly cerebral, condescending smarty pants, and that's a losing strategy with regular folks who might have left high school to go to work in the cotton mill, or sling hash at the local diner. In fact it alienates them. If that's the approach being used, I don't see building any lasting movement infrastructure from it. And I certainly wouldn't want these "liberals" speaking to people as a "Democrats".
Shades of Quagmire to Brian! :lmao:
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Response to ieoeja (Reply #37)
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 04:05 PM
ProSense (84,539 posts)
40. They should
all leave. The exit tax is likely more than they're paying now (see Romney). That would boost government revenue. Whatever jobs left behind can be filled by people who care about the country and paying their fair share. OK, it's not likely that they'll all leave of the latter scenario will prevail, but good riddance to those who do leave. They're in for a rude awakening.
What does the bolded mean? Does ProSense think these billionaires are working on an assembly line, or something? :mental:
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And he could have explained to Specter that Rich’s deals in Iran and Iraq were often related to his other role — as an asset of the Mossad who gathered intelligence and helped to rescue endangered Jews from those regimes.
The Marc Rich pardon was awful, because he was still a fugitive, so even if for some reason he merited one, he needed to turn himself in first, then be pardoned. Farcenter is quoting Joe Conason:
http://www.salon.com/2009/01/16/holder_4/
If you accept their premise for why Rich was pardoned, isn't it interesting what these people consider a bad reason to pardon him?--connections that could help free Israelis being held captured in Iran and (at the time) Iraq. With extra evil sauce on top because it's the Israeli lobby. As if people usually receive Presidential pardons without external advocacy of some kind.
On August 11, 1999, Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a violent Puerto Rican terrorist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States, mostly in New York City and Chicago. There were convictions for conspiracy to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as firearms and explosives violations.[3] The 16 were convicted of conspiracy and sedition and sentenced with terms ranging from 35 to 105 years in prison. Congress, however, recognizes that the FALN is responsible for "6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials." Clinton offered clemency, on condition that the prisoners renounce violence seeing as none of the 16 had been convicted of harming anyone and they had already served 19 years in prison. This action was lobbied by ten Nobel Laureates, the Archbishop of Puerto Rico and the Cardinal of New York. [4] The commutation was opposed by U.S. Attorney's Office, the FBI, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons and criticized by many including former victims of FALN terrorist activities and the Fraternal Order of Police.[5] Hillary Clinton, then campaigning for her first term in the Senate, initially supported the commutation,[6] but later withdrew her support.[7]
Congress condemned this action by President Clinton, with votes of 95-2 in the Senate and 311-41 in the House.[8][9] The U.S. House Committee on Government Reform held an investigation on the matter, but the Justice Department prevented FBI officials from testifying.[10] President Clinton cited executive privilege for his refusal to turn over some documents to Congress related to his decision to offer clemency to members of the FALN terrorist group.
Of course HC withdrew her support after she saw this as too damaging to her election in NYS, but she, and especially she, had to have really set those wheels in motion. It doesn't take Einstein to figure out who really was instrumental in getting the pardon for them, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy
I did some digging and this was just fine by the DUmmies until it was Obama v Hillary in 2008, then they threw her under the bus on this one to supposedly balance out Obama's Ayers connection.
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Just curious.
What yer-ropean country could she go to, that has lower taxes?
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Just curious.
What yer-ropean country could she go to, that has lower taxes?
My guess is that she's going to join her ex in Switzerland.