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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: Benjamin Parish on July 09, 2012, 11:00:02 AM
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Preamble
We maintain that man was not born to be ruled, but that he consented to be governed; and that the reasons that moved him thereto are few and simple. He has voluntarily submitted to government because, only by the establishment of just laws, and the power to enforce those laws, can an orderly life be maintained, full and equal opportunity for all be established, and the blessings of liberty be perpetuated.
We hold that government, and those entrusted with government, should set a high example of honesty, of justice, and unselfish devotion to the public good; that they should labor to maintain tranquillity at home and peace and friendship with all the nations of the earth.
We assert that during the last twenty years, leaders of the Government of the United States under successive Democrat Administrations, and especially under this present Administration, have failed to perform these several basic duties; but, on the contrary, that they have evaded them, flouted them, and by a long succession of vicious acts, so undermined the foundations of our Republic as to threaten its existence.
We charge that they have arrogantly deprived our citizens of precious liberties by seizing powers never granted.
We charge that they work unceasingly to achieve their goal of national socialism.
We charge that they have disrupted internal tranquillity by fostering class strife for venal political purposes.
We charge that they have choked opportunity and hampered progress by unnecessary and crushing taxation.
They claim prosperity but the appearance of economic health is created by war expenditures, waste and extravagance, planned emergencies, and war crises. They have debauched our money by cutting in half the purchasing power of our dollar.
We charge that they have weakened local self-government which is the cornerstone of the freedom of men.
We charge that they have shielded traitors to the Nation in high places, and that they have created enemies abroad where we should have friends.
We charge that they have violated our liberties by turning loose upon the country a swarm of arrogant bureaucrats and their agents who meddle intolerably in the lives and occupations of our citizens.
We charge that there has been corruption in high places, and that examples of dishonesty and dishonor have shamed the moral standards of the American people.
We charge that they have plunged us into war in Korea without the consent of our citizens through their authorized representatives in the Congress, and have carried on that war without will to victory.
Continued at The American Presidency Project (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25837#ixzz2085vc9kf)
Next: Foreign Policy
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That was when Eisenhower was running? He was a great WWII General and a Republican.
I am going to Gettysburg next month and am going to stop by his farm. His brother was also President of Penn State University.
Looking at that list of things they charge the Democrats with make me think of today. Wow. Does history really repeat itself?
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Imo, yea, it applies today, but not just to the 'Democrats of the last 20 years'... Republicans, too.
Imo, would be awesome to see something like the Republican Party platform of 1952 come out of the convention in August.
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That was when Eisenhower was running? He was a great WWII General and a Republican.
Yup. He was. And as far as I'm concerned, he stood with 'Anon'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
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Here is the 2008 Republican platform -> http://whitehouse12.com/republican-party-platform/
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Here is the 2008 Republican platform -> http://whitehouse12.com/republican-party-platform/
Yea, the first 15 things are all about military... exactly what Eisenhower warned about.
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Yea, the first 15 things are all about military... exactly what Eisenhower warned about.
The man knew the future.
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Seems so.
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I don't care what it says. I'm still tempted to yank a plank off the platform and slap bennyboy with it.
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Yea, the first 15 things are all about military... exactly what Eisenhower warned about.
He was actually warning about the evils of communism you assclown.
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He was actually warning about the evils of communism you assclown.
Lmao. He even directly referred to the 'military industrial complex'.
- In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY[/youtube]
What is your reference? Do you even know what you are talking about?
(Here (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/speeches/a/eisenhower_2.htm) is the entire speech.)
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He was actually warning about the evils of communism you assclown.
Or do you actually have your talking points confused?
Were you referring to the controversial JFK speech?
Lmao. I think that you were.
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Lmao. He even directly referred to the 'military industrial complex'.
- In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
I've been listening to idiot leftists and no nothing morons like you try and trot this speech out as some anti-war/military meme.
And all is does is show your ignorance of pretty much even aspect of how our government and military works.
That you miss the main message from a former General who saw the Russians up close and personal about the evils of communism is not surprising.
What is your reference? Do you even know what you are talking about?
You mean besides studying history both general and military? There is a speech from Ronald Reagan that I used about 5 years ago on some prick anti-war 'tard like yourself that I'm bring to find again that explains for idiots like you what exactly Eisenhower was saying.
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Yea.. so.. his exact words dont mean what they sound like they mean.
Got it.
(****ing delusional)
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What sources can you point me to that help prove your point?
Cause I'm looking all over the net, and not finding anything of substance that meets your perspective.
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Yea.. so.. his exact words dont mean what they sound like they mean.
Got it.
(****ing delusional)
What proof do you have to show that he's talking about our government and military?
C'mon troll...you want to mock other people for thinking and disagreeing with you...but when challenged the best YOU can do is "lol".
Show us you can do more than ****ing cut and paste other people's misguided propaganda.
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What sources can you point me to that help prove your point?
The link to it was at another site circa 2005. They had a server crash a couple years ago and all archives were lost.
As recently as four years ago on this site I made reference to the speech:
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=15541.65;wap2
There are members here that were at TOS pre Ronulan invasion that know what I'm referencing.
Cause I'm looking all over the net, and not finding anything of substance that meets your perspective.
I'm surprised you can see anything with your head jammed so far up your fat ass.
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What proof do you have to show that he's talking about our government and military?
C'mon troll...you want to mock other people for thinking and disagreeing with you...but when challenged the best YOU can do is "lol".
Show us you can do more than ****ing cut and paste other people's misguided propaganda.
Its not others propaganda you ****ing retard. It is Eisenhowers exact ****ing words.
- In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
You're the one with the propaganda.
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While the Libtard anti-war cretins like Benji focus on that one part of Eisenhowers speech...they forget he also said this in the same speech:
“The vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk its own destruction.â€
http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=68b72ce7-23c7-4a1b-bff2-4f3241072136
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Its not others propaganda you ****ing retard. It is Eisenhowers exact ****ing words.
- In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
You can keep regurgitating that quote all day long...but if you don't have experience and perspective and understanding of what he meant...you have no clue what he means.
You're demonstrating that perfectly.
You're the one with the propaganda.
lol
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While the Libtard anti-war cretins like Benji focus on that one part of Eisenhowers speech...they forget he also said this in the same speech:
“The vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk its own destruction.â€
http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=68b72ce7-23c7-4a1b-bff2-4f3241072136
Yes he did. And he is right. That does not discredit his warning against the 'military industrial complex', though.
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Wasn't the early 50's when all the communism trails and hunting went into affect?
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You could knock me over with a feather. President Eisenhower was a Ronulan. Wonders never cease.
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You could knock me over with a feather. President Eisenhower was a Ronulan. Wonders never cease.
There is no way in hell that Eisenhower was a libertarian. I will never believe that for a second.
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Yes he did. And he is right. That does not discredit his warning against the 'military industrial complex', though.
What exactly is your (not Wiki or Ron Pauls) understanding of what the military industrial complex is?
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You could knock me over with a feather. President Eisenhower was a Ronulan. Wonders never cease.
I'm sure that Paul would be flattered that his name is credited by you to what being a 'real' Republican is.
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What exactly is your (not Wiki or Ron Pauls) understanding of what the military industrial complex is?
The governments financing of the military as a whole.
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There is no way in hell that Eisenhower was a libertarian. I will never believe that for a second.
He wasn't.
Anti-war turds like Benji here like to trot out this threadbare quote from Ike without knowing what he was talking about because it sounds cool and all the cool Commies have told them it's making reference to our military.
:whatever:
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The governments financing of the military as a whole.
Umm...ok...you DO realize that is part of their Constitutional responsibility don't you?
Hello? Mr Constitutional scholar? You do know that don't you?
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I'm sure that Paul would be flattered that his name is credited by you to what being a 'real' Republican is.
Stupid Bimkey, I was talkig to Kyle. Stupid....Stupid Bliney
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Uhm...note to the troll.
No one gives a shit what the Republican party platform of 1952 was nor does it matter one bit today.
Grow up.
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He wasn't.
Anti-war turds like Benji here like to trot out this threadbare quote from Ike without knowing what he was talking about because it sounds cool and all the cool Commies have told them it's making reference to our military.
:whatever:
Whew! The thought that Ike would be a libertarian makes me physically ill. He was a real Republican. One of the few Real Republicans we had for President. The rest were just Rino's.
There are people who are in love with Ron Paul insisting that he is a real Republican. Now that is just nonsense.
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Once again the idiocy appears. Holy ****!
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Once again the idiocy appears. Holy ****!
Mooommeeee!! the mean mens are picking on me. Red face snot bubbles etc.
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Once again the idiocy appears. Holy ****!
Once again when confronted with your own lack of knowledge...you deflect.
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Once again when confronted with your own lack of knowledge...you deflect.
Deflect on what? It was a warning against the potential for power of the military industrial complex, not a warning not to engage in military spending.
You're the one that is trying to deflect here... or doing something. Sure as hell aint with the conversation, though.
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Deflect on what? It was a warning against the potential for power of the military industrial complex, not a warning not to engage in military spending.
You're the one that is trying to deflect here... or doing something. Sure as hell aint with the conversation, though.
That sounds ominous. I think he is on to you Tex.
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Deflect on what?
You showed your ignorance in what you think the definition of military industrial complex is.
It was a warning against the potential for power of the military industrial complex, not a warning not to engage in military spending.
Ok you just restated the phrase with out giving a definition of what it means...while refuting what you just said your understanding of the term ws.
That is classic deflection and sidestep.
You're the one that is trying to deflect here... or doing something.
Again with the projection. You just spit out terms and cut and paste crap you don't have any understanding of...then accuse the rest of us of deflection and:
Sure as hell aint with the conversation, though.
lol
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That sounds ominous. I think he is on to you Tex.
Yeah it would appear he knows I've figured out he's full of shit and I'm calling him on it.
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Yeah it would appear he knows I've figured out he's full of shit and I'm calling him on it.
I think it has something to do with that unfortunate cement mixer incident of his youth. Alas, trying to debate him on anything is like getting a sperm sample from a flea.
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The fact that there are Ron Paul supporters trying to say that Ron Paul is a 'Real Republican' is idiocy.
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You showed your ignorance in what you think the definition of military industrial complex is.
No I didn't. It is the funding of it through the government - I just didn't feel like getting into the details of it, like our government buying everything from corporations and what not. It was not relevant. (The question was kind of stupid, too, if you ask me. Clearly I know what I am talking about on this, as it is my thread. Not really sure what your intentions were in that regard. Probably just more deflecting.
Ok you just restated the phrase with out giving a definition of what it means...while refuting what you just said your understanding of the term ws.
That is classic deflection and sidestep.
The vial need of military spending to maintain our economy. This is something that he was warning against, and it is something that is here. It is basically the only industry that we have left.
Again with the projection. You just spit out terms and cut and paste crap you don't have any understanding of...then accuse the rest of us of deflection and:
lol
I have a clear understanding of everything that I speak of.. or I ask questions instead. I am not as new to this as I'm sure that you would love me to be. I've been studying politics of all kinds for the past few years now, and have been heavily engaged in several different messaging boards of all kinds of people.
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The fact that there are Ron Paul supporters trying to say that Ron Paul is a 'Real Republican' is idiocy.
Yea... just look at the 1952 platform. Nothing like Ron Paul.
:shrug:
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Yea... just look at the 1952 platform. Nothing like Ron Paul.
:shrug:
Not even close.
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I disagree... and it is very close to me.
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I have a clear understanding of everything that I speak of.. or I ask questions instead. I am not as new to this as I'm sure that you would love me to be. I've been studying politics of all kinds for the past few years now, and have been heavily engaged in several different messaging boards of all kinds of people.
I'm sure you do but nobody & I mean nobody else does. They have a name for that you know?
heavily engaged "booted off" fixed that for ya.
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I'm sure you do but nobody & I mean nobody else does. They have a name for that you know?
heavily engaged "booted off" fixed that for ya.
One that I helped create that I continue to engage in (Its a love hate thing over there).
And DU.
As I've already mentioned.
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One that I helped create that I continue to engage in (Its a love hate thing over there).
And DU.
As I've already mentioned.
Lord knows you have Belche.
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Uhm...note to the troll.
No one gives a shit what the Republican party platform of 1952 was nor does it matter one bit today.
Grow up.
I care.
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I care.
I knew that you could.