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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: formerlurker on July 08, 2012, 06:02:40 AM
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nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
I know, I know Occupy is dead... right [View all]
Wrong... here is Occupy San Diego, with allied groups marching in San Diego today against the TPP
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=914350
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
3. Just because the Corporate media tells you this
it is not so.
In this town they are quite relevant, in spite of the Elite's best efforts, and they are evolving, and evolving hard.
Evolving hard??? :panic:
sabrina 1 (27,220 posts)
71. They single-handedly stopped all the talk of the people 'sharing the sacrifice'
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meaning politicians were trying to make the American people pay the debts of the gamblers on Wall Street. How long is it since you heard this president use that 'Austerity' language now? Not since OWS made it clear that the people should never be asked to pay the debts of corrupt bankers.
What changes did they make? Ask NY US Attorney Schneiderman who credits OWS for his ability to refuse to sign the original agreement all US Attorneys were being asked to sign which would have let the Banks off the hook and free from prosecution, when the pressure was on him to sign that agreement.
He made a point of saying that it was BECAUSE of OWS that he had the courage not to succumb to that pressure, and as a result, the Banks did not get the deal that they thought would be so easy to get from Politicians.
As a result, people like my friend, at one time threatened with the inability to be compensated for the illegal foreclosure of her home, will now be able to sue Wells Fargo and their crooked Law Mill, now closed down, run by Stephen Baum.
As Schneiderman said, without OWS this would not have been possible. That is a huge victory, and if they did nothing else, that alone would have been enough.
They were also responsible for forcing BOA to drop the fees they were planning to impose on their customers when they got involved in 'Move Your Money Day' causing billions of dollars to be moved from the Big Banks into Community Banks and Credit Unions.
Show me one time when Congress was able to stop the banks from doing anything.
They are directly responsible for keeping several American families in their homes having helped stop illegal foreclosures. How many homes did Congress save again?
THANK YOU OWS, for my friend who was nearly screwed for a second time by a weak Congress willing to bow to the demands of the Banks, and for all those who are NOT paying fees, that Congress would not stop, thanks to YOU.
The list is long and continues to grow. Iow, OWS has been far more effective in its short existence, at actually helping the American people, than Congress has over the several years.
OWS = Patriots.
So eloquent.. I am getting all teary. :bawl:
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
26. Well locally they have brought attention to a few
City messes, and are part of the conglomerate of groups trying to stop an energy power plant at mission trails. That's just one example.
Second, brought attention to multiple city councils on the issues with San Onofre, last time I checked the NRC has an issue just looking the other way.
Those are just two examples.
So what have you done?
No Nads, what have YOU done?
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
51. I should look at crooks and liars
More often
Of course you should Nads.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
6. Next time they take to the streets
I know they're part of my beat.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
10. You know what sucked?
I was literally shifting between black and white and color while running to keep up.
My legs ars all but happy.
Hey, I got my work out too!
Oh my.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
14. Just one correction, they are not waning, they are evolving
I know, I know, small technical point.
After all the internal fights and all that, at least this town has a movement that is not going anywhere, a social justice movement.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
20. Today we had a contingent from Bayan
Google that, you are in for a surprise.
The Colectivo Zapstista was there too...
I saw it early on, it's accelerating...the radicalization that is.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
78. Ok...whatever
Expected development, not just in the US...in fact, we're trailing.
That said... Civility is not working...or did you know the USTR refused to show negotiation material to a US senator? That is just tip of iceberg of why this is happening, and we're trailing.
:o
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
18. That is the MSM talking
Moms, kids, regular working class Americans were there.
Women Occupy San Diego is as ice cream and apple pie as it gets.
So yes, you also have your anarchists, but seriously you just repeated hard core MSM memes.
I know, it takes getting out there...but highly recommended.
On the bright side at least you did not tell me of the drug users and the rapes.
Nads in on the scene you misfits. Never question her.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
43. I'll be surprised if channel eight
Drop ,e with a feather, does a descent job tonight.
To their credit, they had a camera guy.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
40. Should I add piccies of children I took?
They were not that great.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
68. And the kid bemoaning three months in, "nothing has changed"
Now understands this is a life time struggle. He's matured, as the movement has.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
23. So what have you done lately?
I know what they have done.
They ran a conference, for example, on the TTP all this week.
So exactly what have you done? Just because the corporate media does not cover this, does not mean it's not happening.
As to pose to the cameras, taking to the streets kind of kills the they're gone meme.
No Nads, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
34. They educated people on what TTP will do
Most Americans have no clue that this will be...NAFTA on steroids.
They realize the first step in any resistance is education.
And those of us who covered the actual conference found a virtual wall of silence. Less we actually unravel what is going on in there.
:popcorn:
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
27. Just read this thread
Literally, pound nails back in.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
37. My role is press
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Have filed story with even more photos already.
(Indie press)
Lois Lane ain't got nuthin' on our Nads with the rig, and the google.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
52. You realize the occupy movement
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Is a social justice movement, not a political movement....right?
No you don't.
(Yes, there is a difference)
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
73. Unfortunately I am reporting
As in the real thing, I am the absolute last person you want to make that argument to. You need to go to a General Assemby and do so. If in my town, I'll even go watch.
That said, a good number of occupiers are tired of what you call politics since it is ineffective.
So we get back to thm being a social justice movement, not a political movement.
The TP is not just a political "movement" but a creature of Karl Rove and the Koch brothers.
Gosh she is swell.
nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
62. Some occupiers run for office,
Some attend political conventions, some even register voters, some do not.
Becoming the left arm of the democratic party never made it out of any general assembly I know off.
zappaman (5,178 posts)
82. I dunno Joe, looks like at least maybe 2 dozen.
I'm sure quite a bit was accomplished.
This whole new "it's a social movement, not a political movement" meme seems have been put into place when it was pointed out that politically OWS has done absolutely nothing.
Nada.
When my right-wing dad stops calling OWS "a bunch of whiny, lazy, freeloaders looking for handouts", then I will know OWS has actually permeated the "regular folks".
Unfortunately, preaching to the converted will not bring about change.
The Tea Party is experiencing the same thing, but at least they got some politicians who, unfortunately for us Democrats, got elected and have a shot at changing things.
By the way, whatever happened to the big "surprise" we were promised was coming in the Spring???
Zappaman is pissing in Nad's cornflakes again. BASTARD!
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nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
10. You know what sucked?
I was literally shifting between black and white and color while running to keep up.
>snip<
Why??? :???:
Do a grayscale or desaturate during post processing you stupid scrunt.
That way you can evaluate both the RGB and the grayscale to determine which is best.
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nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
40. Should I add piccies of children I took?
They were not that great.
Nads took some children? The children she took were not great? Sometimes (most times) Nads' writing skills lack clarity.
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Nads took some children? The children she took were not great? Sometimes (most times) Nads' writing skills lack clarity.
This should explain everything -- http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,75142.0/topicseen.html
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52. You realize the occupy movement
Is a social justice movement, not a political movement....right?
No you don't.
(Yes, there is a difference)
This is perhaps the nicest way of saying OWS accomplishes nothing -- on purpose ! YOu OWSies better hope it stays that way too, because the moment they run people against Democrats is the moment all the OWSies get tossed off of DU - This will be more entertaining than the Hillbot Exodus and The Great Gay Purge combined.
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This is perhaps the nicest way of saying OWS accomplishes nothing -- on purpose ! YOu OWSies better hope it stays that way too, because the moment they run people against Democrats is the moment all the OWSies get tossed off of DU - This will be more entertaining than the Hillbot Exodus and The Great Gay Purge combined.
H5 for the part in red. Shows the contrast between us and them. We get people elected, and laws changed. They break things and shit on cop cars.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 10:26 AM
WilliamPitt (51,131 posts)
100. ...
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/10137-the-dawns-early-light
From the troof-out link....
William Rivers Pitt
William Rivers Pitt is a Truthout editor and columnist. He is also a New York Times and internationally bestselling author of three books: :rotf: :lmao: :lmao:"War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You to Know," "The Greatest Sedition Is Silence" and "House of Ill Repute: Reflections on War, Lies, and America's Ravaged Reputation." He lives and works in Boston.
To which, the Great and Omnipotent Gnads responds..
Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #100)
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:04 AM
nadinbrzezinski (105,934 posts)
104. By the by, feel free to use any of the photos
Troof-out has a comics section?? :???:
Gnads, deary, even your stuff doesn't measure up to troof-out's low expectations. :loser:
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nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
I know, I know Occupy is dead... right
Occupy had no leaders/no agenda/no effective way to communicate to the public.
It was what--6 months before they could even agree on a list of demands?
Just how much did a group of screaming unwashed hippies inspire the working people of America? Not a bit.
Sure. DU was in orgasmic spasms of joy. For years they had been expecting that the people would rise and hit the streets. But only a few hippies did. And for 6 months, what was accomplished? zip. Nada. Nothing.
No. It was not a political movement. Political movements are able to communicate what they believe. Up-twinkles never clicked with the viewing public. Any normal person who approached the camps was repelled by the sheer stench. How can you communicate when your target audience can't stand to be downwind from you?
As for a social justice movement...This is just spin for failure. its been a year now...what justice hath been wrought? Zip. Nada. Nothing. Everything about this movement has been all about failure.
and failure was an intentional part of its design.
My premise does not include DU-they stayed in Mommy's basement the whole time.
My premise only sticks to those activists who actually went out and stayed in the camps. They are the ones I'm talking about.
Occupy was an egg that will hatch a terrorist group. The core members used the meetings to join and set up a network. The only evolution for this failed Occupation is violence. they gathered no real public support, but with a violent core they will engage in revolutionary terrorism and pave a way to gather an army.
The army already exists, but they have no idea that they are a revolutionary army. These are the violent ignorant inner city masses who already embrace violence. These are the children the democrats have raised. Children filled with hate, they are uneducated, emotional, and easily swayed by leaders.
These two groups are separate for now, but will find solidarity in revolutionary fervor.
to be honest, I expected the violence to have already started. But the catalyst may well be the defeat of Obama in November.
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Up twinkles for the demise of a bunch of whiny, lazy, freeloaders looking for handouts.
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What the hell is Sabrina talking about? The only time I've heard the phrase "shared sacrifice" is when some dem is proposing to steal more from rich people.
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sabrina 1 (27,220 posts)
They are directly responsible for keeping several American families in their homes having helped stop illegal foreclosures. How many homes did Congress save again?
Translation.......Trespassed and squated on private property, only to have the group arrested/thrown out. Aso see: "shared sacrifice" :rotf:
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nadinbrzezinski (105,929 posts)
I know, I know Occupy is dead... right [View all]
Wrong... here is Occupy San Diego, with allied groups marching in San Diego today against the TPP
...And DAMN those Toilet Paper Plutocracy fatcats and their RePiglican dupes!
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All the news sources and politicians are starting to move away from it because they know that the retards who are in that thing are nothing but freeloading entitlement babies wanting their next hand out........ People who destroy private property, defecate cop cars, kill people, rape people, beat people, prostitute themselves, do drugs, trash wherever they stay, plot terrorists activities, don't take showers, spread deceases, etc, etc, etc,. But hey, Nancy Pelosi says: "God Bless the occupiers"......
Show me where the tea party ever did any of those things!
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I'm no expert but, aren't her pictures on about the same level as her writing skills? Maybe she was saving the "good" stuff for all the articles she will be publishing.
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I'm no expert but, aren't her pictures on about the same level as her writing skills? Maybe she was saving the "good" stuff for all the articles she will be publishing.
Well, sir, they do both tend to be black and white, so, yes. :-)
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What the hell is Sabrina talking about? The only time I've heard the phrase "shared sacrifice" is when some dem is proposing to steal more from rich people.
The occupoopers/democrats concept of shared sacrifice is that instead of them getting 20% of free stuff they only get an 18% increase of stolen goods. In fact, that is a draconian cut and the productive need to pay their fair share by a draconian tax increase of 90%.
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Occupy wall street is dying the death it deserves. The problem is it never should have started in the first damn place.
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Occupy wall street is dying the death it deserves. The problem is it never should have started in the first damn place.
They came from seemingly nowhere. grabbed a lot of attention. Could not capitalize on the moment to give a clear concise message. and now they die forgotten. Those that remember them are glad they are gone.
Imagine you are an Occupier. You chanted to drums for a year, you took all that tear gas for nothing.
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