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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: CactusCarlos on July 06, 2012, 11:14:47 PM
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scheming daemons
I "should" be a Republican. Why am I not?
I am a 45-year-old white heterosexual male.
I make $96,000 per year. My wife make $105,000 per year.
I have a nice 4-bedroom house in an upper-middle class suburb of Pittsburgh.
I was raised Roman Catholic, but have gone to my wife's protestant church for 20 years... Although not much during spring and summer because I golf every Sunday.
Based on every demographic one can measure, I should be a died-in-the-wool conservative and reliable Romney voter.
So why am I not?
I have thought about this a lot and I think the simplest answer is that I give a shit.
I haven't forgotten that my grandfather was the son of an immigrant and became a steel mill foreman and union officer. I haven't forgotten that he worked his ass off so my dad could be the first in his family to graduate from college.
I haven't forgotten how it was growing up listening to the bigotry of my older relatives towards blacks, gays, jews, you name it. I know how these people think about the "other" and it disgusts me.
My world view has morphed toward atheism, but I still go to church with my family to "keep the peace". I keep my lack of religious beliefs to myself. But I see these people in church who have abdicated their free thinking to the church leaders and they disgust me.
I remember my gay cousin being ostrasized by his parents and other relatives to the point that he ran away in 1980 as a 17 year old and we haven't seen him since. And that disgusts me.
I see people secretly paying for their teenage daughters to get abortions while putting prolife bumper stickers on their cars and their hypocrisy disgusts me.
I have been blessed in this life and I think I am a smart and hard worker, but I know that I didn't get here by myself. My immigrant grandparents and my hardworking parents laid the foundation for me. By accident of birth, I was lucky. I got opportunities that others didn't have... And I am self aware enough to realize that, but for the luck of the draw, I could be much worse off.
Winston Churchill famously said that a person who is young and not a liberal has no heart, and a person who is older and not a conservative has no mind. Or something like that.
Well... The older I've gotten, the more liberal I have become. Reality really DOES have a liberal bias. The more truth I discover in this world, the more liberal my world view becomes.
So....
Tax me more, Mr President. I can afford it and shit needs to be paid for.
Keep working to clean the environment, Mr President. I want my grandchildren to live in a beautiful, safe, and clean world.
Keep working to bring civil rights to everyone, Mr President. If two people love each other, let them marry regardless of their genders.
Keep working to advance science and keep superstition at bay, Mr President. The religious nuts need to be fought back against.
I should be a Republican. I should be in Romney's wheelhouse.
But I am not because I am not insane and I give a shit about people less fortunate than myself.
Gobama.
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It's all fun and games until someone poops in the punchbowl
hfojvt (28,938 posts)
15. ouch, thanks for sharing, but
you sound kinda elitist. You see all these other people who are not as liberal as you and "they disgust me" and then you close by saying that people in the other party are insane.
For myself, I tend to be kinda socially conservative, as such I probably fit better with the Republican Party, except for one major thing - I don't make enough money.
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That's soooo cute when the primatives brag about how much they're part of the 1%. :lmao:
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Translation: My immigrant grandparents came here, worked hard, then their children (my parents) reaped the rewards of opportunities America offers and became wildly successful. They afforded me an Ivy League education, and though I was a wussy, I managed to snag a woman who would exceed me in both income and spirituality. I reluctantly went to church to pacify my wife when it didn't interfere with my golf game, but from the 17th tee I could see Christians driving their daughters for abortions because that is the only reason parents drive teen girls anywhere. I have a COexist bumper sticker on my car, but I opposed the Infant Born Alive Protection Act because killing a full-term baby is okay if you can't afford next month's rent AND a baby.
"So....
Tax me more, Mr President. I can afford it and shit needs to be paid for." Because I've got a Trust Fund bitches.
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Translation: My immigrant grandparents came here, worked hard, then their children (my parents) reaped the rewards of opportunities America offers and became wildly successful. They afforded me an Ivy League education, and though I was a wussy, I managed to snag a woman who would exceed me in both income and spirituality. I reluctantly went to church to pacify my wife when it didn't interfere with my golf game, but from the 17th tee I could see Christians driving their daughters for abortions because that is the only reason parents drive teen girls anywhere. I have a COexist bumper sticker on my car, but I opposed the Infant Born Alive Protection Act because killing a full-term baby is okay if you can't afford next month's rent AND a baby.
"So....
Tax me more, Mr President. I can afford it and shit needs to be paid for." Because I've got a Trust Fund bitches.
Name the other three of the IV League. :-)
How many folks know where the term came from? :tongue:
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scheming daemons
I "should" be a Republican. Why am I not?
I am a 45-year-old white heterosexual male.
I make $96,000 per year. My wife make $105,000 per year.
I have a nice 4-bedroom house in an upper-middle class suburb of Pittsburgh.
I was raised Roman Catholic, but have gone to my wife's protestant church for 20 years... Although not much during spring and summer because I golf every Sunday.
Based on every demographic one can measure, I should be a died-in-the-wool conservative and reliable Romney voter.
So why am I not?
I notice you never mention kids, so I would suppose it is because you are a smarmy, self-indulgent, self-styled 'elite' married to someone of the same stripe, who thinks you should be running the world, i.e. a typical White Liberal.
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2 DUmmies making $201,000.00......tax 'em Obama, they don't have sense enough to know how to handle that much money.
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scheming daemons
So why am I not?
I have thought about this a lot and I think the simplest answer is that I give a shit.
Democrats enacting policies that promise to get people out of poverty and better educated and better jobs, but then they find year after year they're still in poverty, education isn't better, and if they still have a job it's the same thing or worse, is what it takes to "give a s**t?
What too many of us see are the victims of your political beliefs having to live through the problems based upon how much you claim you care.
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Failure is a resume enhancer for a democrat.
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Translation: My immigrant grandparents came here, worked hard, then their children (my parents) reaped the rewards of opportunities America offers and became wildly successful. They afforded me an Ivy League education, and though I was a wussy, I managed to snag a woman who would exceed me in both income and spirituality. I reluctantly went to church to pacify my wife when it didn't interfere with my golf game, but from the 17th tee I could see Christians driving their daughters for abortions because that is the only reason parents drive teen girls anywhere. I have a COexist bumper sticker on my car, but I opposed the Infant Born Alive Protection Act because killing a full-term baby is okay if you can't afford next month's rent AND a baby.
"So....
Tax me more, Mr President. I can afford it and shit needs to be paid for." Because I've got a Trust Fund bitches.
H5. Perfect.
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The question is what upper middle class neighborhood of Pittsburgh? Is he talking about Squirrel Hill, Shady Side, upper Oakland (Where Pitt University is), or Fox Chapel? If he is talking about Mount Lebenon (Although quite a few famous people are from there; Ie, Mark Cuban and Kurt Angle to name two of them), Duquense, McKees rocks, Monroeville, Penn Hills, North Side, Wilinsburgh, or Homestead, then he is full of shit.
Fact be known, the nicest sections of Pittsburgh are Shady Side/North end of Oakland, Squirrel Hill, and Fox Chapel. Then if you want to get technical, Sewickley is the absolute nicest section.
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I "should" be a Democrat. Why am I not?
I was born in the 1960's.
I'm from a poor neighborhood in NY.
Times were bad for a long time, and at 1 point we basically only had cereal, pasta and sauce, and chicken legs to get through the month.
I'm Catholic, and like other Catholics I contribute not only financially to my Church and to Catholic Charities, but I also donate money to St. Judes Hospital, and contribute to local food banks.
Now I'm probably considered middle class or lower middle class.
Based on every demographic one can measure, I should be a died-in-the-wool Democrat and reliable Obama voter.
So why am I not?
My Mom and her entire family were dirt poor and were Democrats, except for 1 Aunt who was considered a Communist back then, my Dad and his family were poor and were Republicans. I always say I was born a Republican, my Mother stumped for Stevenson, Kennedy, Johnson, Kennedy, McGovern, Carter etc. my Mother told me when I was very young that Bobby Kennedy was making an appearance in NY, she said she picked me up and carried me the entire way, when we got there she was holding me up hoping that Bobby would pick me up, she said I had such a screaming fit that she gave up :lmao:, adding to her horror was me watching Nixon's resignation, and even though I was young I understood what was happening and I cried when he resigned, my Mother hated Nixon, but she never berated me for my views. I remember asking my Mom why she voted for Kennedy, she said because "he was cute", when I asked my Dad why he voted for Nixon he spouted off a whole list of reasons.
My Parents never had much, but they also never expected a handout from the Government, they worked hard and were compensated for it, it was their choice whether or not to find something even better, to educate themselves to get better jobs, it was their choice to keep the status quo, there were some good financial times but mostly not so good financial times, but we made due with what we had. I don't remember my Parents ever having a credit card, my Mom did get 1 years after my Dad passed away.
My Parents were also the Daughter of immigrants and my Dad the Grandson of immigrants, their Parents and Grandparents came here when signs of "Irish need not apply" and Italians weren't wanted by anyone, but they moved forward. For some weird reason Democrats make it seem like "hard work" is such a bad thing, but we've never really felt like that.
My Parents loved/love this Country, both Parents loved and still love what this Country has done for millions of people around the world, they saw and see the good in this Country as opposed to the bad, they love the flag and found/find it offensive that anyone would burn it.
As far as bigotry goes? that's funny, I only recall 1 relative using the N word and she was told in no uncertain terms not to use that word in front of us. My Parents tended to be friends with "hispanics" and a few "blacks" and those friends always seemed to outnumber their "white friends", and lie lie lie about the comments about gay people, gay people were closeted heavily back them, I can't ever recall 1 conversation about someone who was "gay", we had gay people in our family, I found that out years later, but since "gay people" were never a source of conversation, and no doubt my older relatives knew about it, they were never ostracized at all. As for Jewish people? the Democrats always seemed to make the snide remarks about them, my Mom's family didn't though.
A funny thing though in reference to maturity, my Dad's family is still almost all Republican, but my Mom's family? almost all Republican too, even the "Communist" who's actually a HUGE Conservative Republican. It took my Mom about 20 years to officially make the change, she said it was hard because she was born a Democrat, and she always believed in the party, but she felt as though the left was mocking her beliefs because she's a very Religious woman, so she stayed a Democrat and cast her vote for George HW Bush, the 1st time she ever voted for a Republican, and she only votes Republican now, and became a Republican officially about 6 years ago.
So...
Let Americans keep the money they earn Mr. President, if anything it'll do what's not being done now, it'll stimulate the economy, and a stimulated economy benefits us all.
Stop letting the environmentalists wackos have a seat at your table, nothing wrong at all with drilling on our soil, and using coal or investing in nuclear power.
Civil rights for all includes white men folk too.
Compare our society when Religion was more prevalent and compare that to now where the radical leftists want to marginalize it.
I should be a Democrat. I should be in Obama's wheelhouse.
But I'm not because I have common sense, when I see high unemployment, Americans losing value on their homes, high gas prices, lower income, and a high misery index, common sense dictates that leftist policies suck.
Go Romney!
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Translation: My immigrant grandparents came here, worked hard, then their children (my parents) reaped the rewards of opportunities America offers and became wildly successful. They afforded me an Ivy League education, and though I was a wussy, I managed to snag a woman who would exceed me in both income and spirituality. I reluctantly went to church to pacify my wife when it didn't interfere with my golf game, but from the 17th tee I could see Christians driving their daughters for abortions because that is the only reason parents drive teen girls anywhere. I have a COexist bumper sticker on my car, but I opposed the Infant Born Alive Protection Act because killing a full-term baby is okay if you can't afford next month's rent AND a baby.
"So....
Tax me more, Mr President. I can afford it and shit needs to be paid for." Because I've got a Trust Fund bitches.
:lmao:
OMG! that's so much better then my post!
:clap:
:cheersmate:
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JNathanK (172 posts)
89. What I don't get about Bush was he lowered taxes but spent in a way that requires high taxation
There's a general disconnect there. We have a deficit, and the only way to really solve it is to raise taxes. If you're for lower taxes great, but don't spend in a way that would require taxation at higher rates and then do everything to resist a tax hike later on. That's just schizophrenic.
Umm, who holds the purse-strings in Washington?
rufus dog (4,518 posts)
90. It isn't just Bush, but every Repub President for the last 50 years
Increase spending, decrease taxes. The goal isn't to implement policies that are best for the United States, the goal is to implement policies that are best for those subsidizing them.
Before you know it you can have an Army covering Corporate interests paid for by the lower classes. But hey the guy I responded to was a "Social Conservative" whatever that means, so I guess we can stop gay marriage but pay for large embassies in Iraq to support Big Oil.
Umm, same question, who holds the purse-strings in Washington?
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Surely, the Republican Party would do the responsible thing and raise taxes to reduce the deficit. They had always done so in the past. In 1982, Democrats convinced Ronald Reagan to sign a deal that promised to cut spending by three dollars for every dollar of tax increases. In the following five years, taxes would be increased by $215 billion and spending was promised to be reduced by $645 billion. Adjusted for inflation, however, spending actually increased $177 billion above what it would have absent the deal -- Reagan had been tricked.
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Who's more compassionate and actually goes into their pockets and gives more to charity?
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=725
Ever since the New Deal, liberals and leftists have depicted themselves as more compassionate than conservatives, citing, as evidence of their compassion, their own preference for raising taxes on high earners in the name of helping the poor.
In an effort to determine how accurate that perception is, American Enterprise Institute president Arthur C. Brooks made a comprehensive study of how charitable giving correlates to political orientation, and he published his findings in the 2006 book Who Really Cares. All the evidence, says the author, suggests that conservatives are in fact more generous than liberals. There is one important caveat, however: There is a strong correlation between religious faith and charity. The more religious a person is, the more likely it is that he or she will give to charity.
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I should be a Democrat as well....but I want what is better for my country than what is better for me. Mainly because I have sense enough to know that is what is best for America will also be best for me.
BTW...when I was growing up, I could not tell you what party my parents belonged to. Politics was never really discussed at home. Matter of fact, I cannot tell you how my daddy votes to this day. I can tell you that we were dirt poor; and if daddy didn't catch it, kill it, or grow it we didn't eat.
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I would be a democratic but my IQ is over 85.
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DUmmie, just mail the extra in. They'll take it. Why wait? Seriously?
KC
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I should be exactly who I am because the amount of money I have doesn't change my political views.
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I should be a democrat as well, but I can't bring myself to be a racist bigot who expects people to hand me everything. I like to work for what I get. Call it pride in myself.
Others reasons I should be a democrat and aren't is that I love babies, God, family, this country, the flag, and the troops.
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I'm with BEG--I'm exactly what God wanted me to be; a pro-life Conservative Republican. ('Course, four years as an Army officer didn't hurt.)
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Quote from scheming daemons...
" I should be a died-in-the-wool conservative and reliable Romney voter."
If you were died in the wool, you'd be dead. Maybe dyed in the wool would be better for you, or....
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcE2TrvMrB0&feature=fvst[/youtube]
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For myself, I tend to be kinda socially conservative, as such I probably fit better with the Republican Party, except for one major thing - I don't make enough money.
I'm sorry, is there an income bracket you must be in to be Republican?
Again, stop with this, "Too poor to vote Republican" class warfare shit.
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scheming daemons needs to give Princess Pammie lessons in conspicuous consumption. Posting pictures of your 9mm and your coach bag while bragging about vacation cruises isn't the way to do it.. Now this guy -- well, he can buy and sell you primitives along with the rest of the elites at DU.
Now that's the way to brag. Bravo.
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I should be exactly who I am because the amount of money I have doesn't change my political views.
Exactly.
We could be dirt poor living in a trailer with no A/C and I'd still be a conservative/Republican.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002909311
Pick any of the following. You can pick more than one:
Brain damage
Stupidity
Ignorance
Greed
Bigotry
Racism
Laziness
Incompetence
Inability to handle your own money
Gullibility
Mental disorder
Illiteracy
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:lmao:
OMG! that's so much better then my post!
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:cheersmate:
Thanks, but I loved your story too Bally. Many parts of your story parallel mine and my parent's. It would take me a loooong time to explain, and perhaps someday I will.
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I didn't know what my political affiliation was until I started my own business in 1994 and had to write quarterly checks to the IRS. I was outraged every time. When I would think of the amount of hours I had to work, the weekends, the nights, the early mornings, the headaches, the stress, and a lot of that hard work was being confiscated by the government.
Around the same time, my parents moved to Arizona and my dad started telling me all about the illegals coming over the border to have their babies and using up our resources. He loved Joe Arpaio, BTW. I began to realize that government spending was out of control and a lot of that was pure waste and opulence for politicians.
It hit me like a ton of bricks. I didn't (and still don't) mind paying taxes but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit by and watch a bunch of liberal elites confiscate my hard-earned money for their wasteful spending and vote-buying schemes. I'm not excluding republicans here but at some point we did have some conservatives (and still do) who actually believe in smaller government and elimination of government waste.
The end.
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^Beautiful.
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