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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on June 28, 2012, 05:35:40 PM
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The RW is absolutely dead-set against this. They are as unified as they are pissed. They have but one singular purpose.
DU, however, is--as it always does on most things--tearing itself down the middle.
We are barely 8 hours past the rendering of the decision and they cannot figure out whether to shoot, salute or sing "Hallelujah!" They ONLY ones among them celebrating are those who absolutely refuse to recognize any threat to the polls, liberty or economy.
Imagine the reverse. Imagine we had won. Who would be bickering within our own ranks that this was bad for November or our freedoms or the economy?
Sometimes the fox does gets the grapes...and sometimes the grapes really are sour.
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I had said somewhere before that if it was shot down, then it would energize Obama's base. The exact opposite of what is happening now.
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I had said somewhere before that if it was shot down, then it would energize Obama's base. The exact opposite of what is happening now.
That would be 4/5 of the 35% that think Bush plotted 9/11.
I'll take those electoral odds.
Would an ObamaCoup defeat have energized the middlers?
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Imagine the reverse. Imagine we had won. Who would be bickering within our own ranks that this was bad for November or our freedoms or the economy?
Nope. Great post!
Admittedly, the Tea Party was getting a bit lethargic. Now the Dems grabbed a tiger by the tail and awoke a sleeping giant. Roberts may have done us a huge favor.
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Nope. Great post!
Admittedly, the Tea Party was getting a bit lethargic. Now the Dems grabbed a tiger by the tail and awoke a sleeping giant. Roberts may have done us a huge favor.
Lethargic? I don't think so, the Tea Party has been just as strong as ever, they just haven't been in the streets like they were the past couple of years, they have been working behind the scenes. However I do agree that this will further energize the Tea Party.
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Something else to ponder...
We are told that it is discriminatory to require Americans to produce identification to vote. Hey, they may not be able to afford it.
However, wouldn’t the Government need to identify everyone to implement these Health Exchanges? Using an ID of sorts?
Instant voter ID.
How could the left spin against that? Say it is unconstitutional? Lol.
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Mark Levin is right. The ruling is an assault on individual sovereignty. The Supreme Court just said you can't regulate inactivity but you can tax it. What the hell is that supposed to mean? How do you determine the appropriate tax for an economic activity that did not occur?
I hate to say it, but this whole mess is going to collapse. It's on autopilot and headed straight at debt mountain. People, good and bad, republican and democrat, conservative and liberal are going to get hurt and die because eventually, and now sooner, it can't be paid for without destroying the economy. The system can't be reformed because the system won't be reformed. Everybody receiving checks from the government, people and corporations alike, know where their bread is buttered and would rather the whole system collapse later than experience any pain now.
Maybe I'm over reacting, so I'm stopping this rant before it really get's rolling.
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Look at them over there.
There isn't a single thread that hasn't degenerated into a shit-flinging monkey cage brawl.
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In their world, Citizens United is the keymaster to permit multi-national corps to control the gov't. Obamacare forces those who don't have insurance to buy it from a private corp. The primitives are clouding the issue by saying those who can't afford it will pay a tax and still be covered (as though that's a good thing). The point is most uninsured can afford to purchase insurance, they just choose not to do so. Now they'll have to. That money will go in the pockets of the multi-national corps who will, in turn, spend the money to enrich themselves.
And those who pay the tax because they can't afford insurance will still get the same treatment they got before, and the same bill they'll have to pay. If this thing still stands, give it until late 2014 or 2015 and you'll see the primitives complaining that the tax those who can't obtain insurance is too much to pay, they're still stuck with the bill, and their quality of care is less than those who do have insurance. But it's too late, they've given up the power to the insurance companies and Citizens United.
This is what they're facing given what they believe.
Yeah, they're twisted in knots.
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EXHIBIT A:
stockholmer (3,534 posts)
Roberts & Dems Deliver a Grand Slam for the Right: Obamacare Wins, We Lose
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/06/28/obamacare-wins-we-lose/
It was a brilliant move by far Right (but oh so likable) Chief Justice Roberts to side with the Dem-appointed Justices and uphold ObamaCare. After all, this is a massive victory for corporate power, forcing citizens to buy an expensive insurance product that won’t serve our needs very well but will profit industry, in lieu of receiving real health care.
Obamacare and its corporate mandate were born on the Right (as in Heritage Foundation) as a way to destroy the political prospects of any single payer system that would cover all Americans with a tax-funded system of guaranteed medical care. This is the way all other industrial societies protect the right to health care, by taking it out of the hands of the giant insurance industry. The right to health care is like the right to not be enslaved – there are no half measures, and the insurance industry is the slave master. Roberts may have brilliantly scored a “4-fer†victory:
1.) He now has an interesting historic legacy.
2.) He and his Dem-appointed colleagues have given huge new powers to corporations, and further reduced the rights of citizens.
3.) Any real reform — call it single payer, or medicare for all — is doomed in bipartisan fashion. The “pragmatists†who are for Obamacare are duped if they think it is going to be expanded to single payer. From this point on, it will only be picked over and further reinvented to empower the insurance and drug industries.
4.) Roberts siding with Dems has probably bounced Obama right out of office. The public overwhelmingly hates Obamacare, and this pours gas on the electoral fire.
No wonder Roberts delivered the goods! What a great Right Wing Justice he is.
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Obama Wins the Battle, Roberts Wins the War: The chief justice’s canny move to uphold the Affordable Care Act while gutting the Commerce Clause.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/scocca/2012/06/roberts_health_care_opinion_commerce_clause_the_real_reason_the_chief_justice_upheld_obamacare_.html
There were two battles being fought in the Supreme Court over the Affordable Care Act. Chief Justice John Roberts—and Justice Anthony Kennedy—delivered victory to the right in the one that mattered. Yes, Roberts voted to uphold the individual mandate, joining the court's liberal wing to give President Obama a 5-4 victory on his signature piece of legislation. Right-wing partisans are crying treason; left-wing partisans saw their predictions of a bitter, party-line defeat undone. But the health care law was, ultimately, a pretext. This was a test case for the long-standing—but previously fringe—campaign to rewrite Congress' regulatory powers under the Commerce Clause.
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Roberts was smarter than that. By ruling that the individual mandate was permissible as a tax, he joined the Democratic appointees to uphold the law—while joining the Republican wing to gut the Commerce Clause (and push back against the necessary-and-proper clause as well). Here's the Chief Justice's opinion (italics in original):
Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. Congress already possesses expansive power to regulate what people do. Upholding the Affordable Care Act under the Commerce Clause would give Congress the same license to regulate what people do not do. The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce.â€
The business about "new and potentially vast" authority is a fig leaf. This is a substantial rollback of Congress' regulatory powers, and the chief justice knows it. It is what Roberts has been pursuing ever since he signed up with the Federalist Society. In 2005, Sen. Barack Obama spoke in opposition to Roberts' nomination, saying he did not trust his political philosophy on tough questions such as "whether the Commerce Clause empowers Congress to speak on those issues of broad national concern that may be only tangentially related to what is easily defined as interstate commerce." Today, Roberts did what Obama predicted he would do.
Note that he's citing leftist rags like counterpunch and slate...
...which means they're starting to hate it too.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002870676#post14
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Ponder this....Mitt Romney's campaign pulled in over 4 MILLION dollars yesterday alone...
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Ponder this....Mitt Romney's campaign pulled in over 4 MILLION dollars yesterday alone...
Mitt Romney cannot argue against Obamacare and simultaneously praise Romneycare as he is doing now they are the same damn thing. Now that healthcare is the number one issue for this election, Romney is the one and only candidate for President that cannot win in November.
I'm sorry but I will will be sitting this one out.
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I'm sorry but I will will be sitting this one out.
And the Obama/Biden 2012 re-election campaign thanks you for your support.
Are you that self righetous and pretentious that you'd rather let Obama win again than get off your ass put your petty differences with Romney aside and do what you can to get Obama out of office?
Seriously?
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They also struck down the Stolen Valor act as well yesterday. Not a peep from the monkey cage on that one.
OK I found one thread on it and it had this hidden gem. :rotf:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014154449
magic59 (96 posts)
24. As FOX news and 8 years of George Bush has shown us
Its the right of every American to lie.
and in response...
shcrane71 (1,426 posts)
27. The SCOTUS: No law shall get in the way of Americans electing LIARS & FRAUDS. nt
Do they even know that they are so funny sometimes?
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Mitt Romney cannot argue against Obamacare and simultaneously praise Romneycare as he is doing now they are the same damn thing. Now that healthcare is the number one issue for this election, Romney is the one and only candidate for President that cannot win in November.
I'm sorry but I will will be sitting this one out.
Romney made a federalist argument for RomneyCare and while I think RomneyCare is just as retarded as ObamaCare patterened off of it my federalist streak says I can't live in Colorado and tell Massachusetts what to do inside their own asylum no matter how retard Yankees get.
More importantly Roberts agrees in his writing for the majority (TRANSLATION: he got the liberals to agree). On federalist grounds the mandate cannot be upheld because it would warp the Commerce Clause beyond original intent.
Now, Romney has vowed to overturn ObamaCoup and says states are free to ****-up their own lives.
Please tell me how you think you'll get a better deal by conceding a vote to Obama.
Don't pass up this opportunity to reaffirm federalism in exchange for a continuation of the very thing that has you upset.
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SGT, can you guys look at this youtube, the important part to look at starts at around 3:40 in the video, and tell me what your thoughts are on this reasoning please:
[youtube=425,350]iyLU9-VqVxY[/youtube]
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And the Obama/Biden 2012 re-election campaign thanks you for your support.
Are you that self righetous and pretentious that you'd rather let Obama win again than get off your ass put your petty differences with Romney aside and do what you can to get Obama out of office?
Seriously?
My differences with Romney are more than just a single issue (the AWB is a big sticking point with me). Unlike the losers that inhabit the island of DU I will not be put into a position where I have to be constantly twisting into a knot defending my vote or be put into a position of perpetual disappointment.
Seriously? YES.
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SGT, can you guys look at this youtube, the important part to look at starts at around 3:40 in the video, and tell me what your thoughts are on this reasoning please:
[youtube=425,350]iyLU9-VqVxY[/youtube]
Basically, it wasn't passed by the House, it was "Deemed and passed" by the senate and since it's now recognized as a "tax":
Article One, Section Seven:
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Not to mention, since they're already talking about exempting anyone making under a certain amount of money, and since this isn't an "income tax", which was passed by the 16th amendment, whether you believe that or not, but an "excise tax":
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
"Excise taxes are taxes paid when purchases are made on a specific good, such as gasoline. Excise taxes are often included in the price of the product. There are also excise taxes on activities, such as on wagering or on highway usage by trucks. Excise Tax has several general excise tax programs. One of the major components of the excise program is motor fuel."
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=99517,00.html
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My differences with Romney are more than just a single issue (the AWB is a big sticking point with me). Unlike the losers that inhabit the island of DU I will not be put into a position where I have to be constantly twisting into a knot defending my vote or be put into a position of perpetual disappointment.
Seriously? YES.
Just remember, if you don't voteagainst O, you can't complain about his overt gun grabbing after his re-election.
Romney made a federalist argument for RomneyCare and while I think RomneyCare is just as retarded as ObamaCare patterened off of it my federalist streak says I can't live in Colorado and tell Massachusetts what to do inside their own asylum no matter how retard Yankees get.
More importantly Roberts agrees in his writing for the majority (TRANSLATION: he got the liberals to agree). On federalist grounds the mandate cannot be upheld because it would warp the Commerce Clause beyond original intent.
Now, Romney has vowed to overturn ObamaCoup and says states are free to ****-up their own lives.
Please tell me how you think you'll get a better deal by conceding a vote to Obama.
Don't pass up this opportunity to reaffirm federalism in exchange for a continuation of the very thing that has you upset.
This.
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Just remember, if you don't vote against O, you can't complain about his overt gun grabbing after his re-election.
And he will go after the 2nd Amendment. If you have to hold your nose and vote, do so.
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My differences with Romney are more than just a single issue (the AWB is a big sticking point with me). Unlike the losers that inhabit the island of DU I will not be put into a position where I have to be constantly twisting into a knot defending my vote or be put into a position of perpetual disappointment.
Seriously? YES.
The AWB is DOA in congress. Nobody will touch it except for the hardcore lefties.
That's why Obama started Fast and Furious: to generate the needed moral outrage to overcome the fact the American people are pro-RKBA.
Oh--by the way--Romney wouldn't murder hundreds of people to fabricate a bogus need for an unconstitutional law.
Obama already has.
Please consider this carefully.
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Just remember, if you don't voteagainst O, you can't complain about his overt gun grabbing after his re-election.
This.
O.K. fair enough, but keep in mind it always hurts worse when your own side/guy does it to you. I lived in Massachusetts through ORomneys term what you see him saying and campaigning on now does not match his actions of the recent past.
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SGT, can you guys look at this youtube...
No-can-do but subsequent comments lead me to believe that it has something to do with the fact the bill originated in the senate rather than the COTUS requirement of the HoR.
I suspect this is an extremely valid case against ObamaCoup but 1 that will have to be resolved once the "tax" is actually levied due to the requirements of the Anti-Injunction act.
But the dems will have to endure 2 more election cycles before that happens (2015) and the much ballyhooed benefits of ObamaCoup will not have kicked-in but the pain is accumulating here and now and forever forward.
There may not be enough Dems left to defend it.
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No-can-do but subsequent comments lead me to believe that it has something to do with the fact the bill originated in the senate rather than the COTUS requirement of the HoR.
I suspect this is an extremely valid case against ObamaCoup but 1 that will have to be resolved once the "tax" is actually levied due to the requirements of the Anti-Injunction act.
But the dems will have to endure 2 more election cycles before that happens (2015) and the much ballyhooed benefits of ObamaCoup will not have kicked-in but the pain is accumulating here and now and forever forward.
There may not be enough Dems left to defend it.
Not only that, at that point it may be just a bad memory in the eyes of the American people.
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O.K. fair enough, but keep in mind it always hurts worse when your own side/guy does it to you. I lived in Massachusetts through ORomneys term what you see him saying and campaigning on now does not match his actions of the recent past.
I would expect that.
I'm inclined to back you up on your decision. I'm not one of those who believes a non-vote for a candiate is a vote for the other candidate. I believe a non-vote is what it is; a non-vote. If you choose not to vote at all, I can understand that viewpoint.
It's still late June and way too many things can happen between now and November. There's plenty of time to think things through and be sure. No doubt we'll all spend time carefully considering what we plan to do.
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I would expect that.
I'm inclined to back you up on your decision. I'm not one of thise who believes a non-vote for a candiate is a vote for the other candidate. I believe a non-vote is what it is; a non-vote. If you choose not to vote at all, I can understand that viewpoint.
It's still late June and way too many things can happen between now and November. There's plenty of time to think things through and be sure. No doubt we'll all spend time carefully considering what we plan to do.
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Stepping back for the bigger picture. I am Pro Life, Pro 2nd amendment, Pro less taxes, Pro smaller government, Pro military etc.. Tea party supporting guy. If ORomney cannot even get me to vote for him then he is in bigger trouble than the polls and pundits lead you to believe.
I am sorry but again it is not just a single issue for me.
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Stepping back for the bigger picture. I am Pro Life, Pro 2nd amendment, Pro less taxes, Pro smaller government, Pro military etc.. Tea party supporting guy. If ORomney cannot even get me to vote for him then he is in bigger trouble than the polls and pundits lead you to believe.
I am sorry but again it is not just a single issue for me.
What do you plan to do besides not vote for Romney?
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What do you plan to do besides not vote for Romney?
Vote local, support with my dollars tea party candidates in other states who better represent my beliefs and also continue with my vocal opposition to the current administration.
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Vote local, support with my dollars tea party candidates in other states who better represent my beliefs and also continue with my vocal opposition to the current administration.
Exactly what I plan to do. Who do you suppose all those TP candidates we get in will have more influence over, Romny or ABM?
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Exactly what I plan to do. Who do you suppose all those TP candidates we get in will have more influence over, Romny or ABM?
Neither. Best possible outcome is a stalemate where only the basics get done.
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Neither. Best possible outcome is a stalemate where only the basics get done.
Do you characterize ABM's recent actions "stalemate"? Do you think Mitt will rule by decree?
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Mitt Romney cannot argue against Obamacare and simultaneously praise Romneycare as he is doing now they are the same damn thing. Now that healthcare is the number one issue for this election, Romney is the one and only candidate for President that cannot win in November.
I'm sorry but I will will be sitting this one out.
It's your right to sit this one out. If you are waiting for the perfect candidate I suppose you will never vote again. None of us are happy about Romney, but at least if we get conservatives in congress, we won't have an automatic veto with Romney. Obama will veto everything handed to him by conservatives. Then he will do what he does now to get his way, he will just do it.
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It's your right to sit this one out. If you are waiting for the perfect candidate I suppose you will never vote again. None of us are happy about Romney, but at least if we get conservatives in congress, we won't have an automatic veto with Romney. Obama will veto everything handed to him by conservatives. Then he will do what he does now to get his way, he will just do it.
Nope, not waiting for perfection. I see what you are doing here.
Romney is not even close to my minimum threshold though. For full disclosure I did vote for McCain so my threshold is fairly low.
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Nope, not waiting for perfection. I see what you are doing here.
Romney is not even close to my minimum threshold though. For full disclosure I did vote for McCain so my threshold is fairly low.
Your threshold must be low since you would prefer another 4 years of Obama.
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Your threshold must be low since you would prefer another 4 years of Obama.
Again I see what you are doing. Prefer... please stop.
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Only 16% to 23% expect their healthcare to improve.
And those are the same % as run around wearing Che t-shirts in college, so...
Update: Survey USA conducted three statewide polls overnight of likely voters on the Supreme Court decision to see if it would move the needle. So far, the results look pretty poor for Obama.
•California – In one of the liberal bastions of Obama’s support, 45% disagreed with the Court ruling that ObamaCare is constitutional, with 44% agreeing. Nearly three-quarters expect their health care to get worse (38%) or stay the same (34%), as opposed to just 23% who expect it to improve now that ObamaCare will be implemented. And this is thebest results of the three states.
•Kansas – Romney’s going to win Kansas anyway, but the numbers here are still bad news for Obama’s hopes in the Midwest. 52% disagree with the court, as opposed to only 38% who agree, with 48% expecting their health care to get worse as a result. Only 16% think it will improve.
•Florida – This state actually matters, and it looks bad for Obama here, too. Voters disagree with the court 50/39, 47% expect their health care to get worse while only 20% expect it to improve, and 51% think it will get more expensive, too. Only 6% of Florida seniors expect health-care costs to decline, while 44% expect costs to rise.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/29/changing-the-subject/
Now, factor in those middlers who expect things to remain the same and tell them "the same" comes with a $1.7 trillion price increase.
Once you're done with that, tell me what Obama won yesterday.
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Again I see what you are doing. Prefer... please stop.
So you don't prefer but you would concede to the author of Fast & Furious and endless EO diktats.
Obama has to go.
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Nope, not waiting for perfection. I see what you are doing here.
Romney is not even close to my minimum threshold though. For full disclosure I did vote for McCain so my threshold is fairly low.
I don't know why but that reminded me of a song I heard part of 2 weeks ago while flipping channels on the radio....went something like this..."I'm voting for the white boy, I'm voting for the white boy this time......." :lmao:
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Again I see what you are doing. Prefer... please stop.
All I am doing is pointing out if enough of you purists stay home, we get 4 more years of this. I don't want 4 more years of this.
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All I am doing is pointing out if enough of you purists stay home, we get 4 more years of this. I don't want 4 more years of this.
Keep in mind I did vote for Romney once and he did nothing to earn a repeat, actually it was just the opposite. The difference between you and I is that I had the luxury of a preview with Romney.
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Again I see what you are doing. Prefer... please stop.
I notice you didn't answer my question. Quote:"Do you characterize ABM's recent actions "stalemate"? Do you think Mitt will rule by decree?" Do you want me to stop too?
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Keep in mind I did vote for Romney once and he did nothing to earn a repeat, actually it was just the opposite. The difference between you and I is that I had the luxury of a preview with Romney.
Are you counting on gaining a veto-proof congress to repeal ObamaCare and rein in the federal agencies?
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Are you counting on gaining a veto-proof congress to repeal ObamaCare and rein in the federal agencies?
A paulinian in sheep's clothing.
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I notice you didn't answer my question. Quote:"Do you characterize ABM's recent actions "stalemate"? Do you think Mitt will rule by decree?" Do you want me to stop too?
Recent actions a complete stalemate mmmm no, Mitt rule by decree maybe not??. Other than the economy Mitt would look no different than Obama in my opinion based on past performance here in Massachusetts. Eg. Traditional marriage, AWB which is still in effect here, Attack on the Catholic church, Pro abortion. Etc.
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A paulinian in sheep's clothing.
No.
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A paulinian in sheep's clothing.
I don't give him/her/it that much credit. THUMB SUCKER
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Again I see what you are doing. Prefer... please stop.
You need to start facing reality, and your asking someone to please stop is just another way of not facing it.
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You need to start facing reality, and your asking someone to please stop is just another way of not facing it.
The stop was in reference to the intellectually dishonest BS about my decision not to vote for Romney then I must "prefer" Obama or that "Obama thanks me for my non vote". That's just crap.
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The stop was in reference to the intellectually dishonest BS about my decision not to vote for Romney then I must "prefer" Obama or that "Obama thanks me for my non vote". That's just crap.
I'm with Ballygrl here. The "please stop" sounded prissy & whiny. Can't you handle the truth?
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I'm with Ballygrl here. The "please stop" sounded prissy & whiny. Can't you handle the truth?
I have a question for you and this may be a good candidate for a poll. Is there a candidate past or present with an R after their name that you just could not in good conscience hold your nose and pull the lever for? We accuse the DUmmies of blindly voting but it remains to be seen if we are any better.
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I'm not a big fan of democrats or commies but I fully support FDRs Lend-Lease program to the USSR.
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You guys sure do have a lot of faith in Romney. I did, until yesterday. I thought for sure Roberts was going to oppose this. He didn't. Hell, from what I've been hearing, he essentially rewrote the damn thing to allow it. He was appointed by Bush, who was, for the most part, to the right of Romney. I fear that it doesn't matter who the hell wins. The supreme will be full retard left as soon as Kennedy or Scalia or both either retire or die and the nation as we know it will be done. I have the choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. No, I'm NOT voting for Paul. I'll wind up voting for Romney, but if he doesn't do exactly what he says he's going to do, I'm done with my loose affiliation with the Republican party.
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I have a question for you and this may be a good candidate for a poll. Is there a candidate past or present with an R after their name that you just could not in good conscience hold your nose and pull the lever for? We accuse the DUmmies of blindly voting but it remains to be seen if we are any better.
That's easy...Ron Paul.
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That's easy...Ron Paul.
I'd vote for Gary Johnson over Ron Paul.
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I'd vote for Gary Johnson over Ron Paul.
Gosh I never thought of that!! Thanks Rebel why, that will show them, I'll just vote for Gary. Then they'll be sorry (insert thumb mouth/ass optional).
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That's easy...Ron Paul.
I would be sitting this one out also if Ron Paul were the candidate.
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Gosh I never thought of that!! Thanks Rebel why, that will show them, I'll just vote for Gary. Then they'll be sorry (insert thumb mouth/ass optional).
Don't remember saying I was going to vote for Johnson. I said I'd vote for him over Paul.
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Don't remember saying I was going to vote for Johnson. I said I'd vote for him over Paul.
I don't remember saying you said you were going to vote for Johnson.
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I don't remember saying you said you were going to vote for Johnson.
It's a thing called an inference. I think it's Latin.
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It's a thing called an inference. I think it's Latin.
Now that you mention, it you did infer you were going to vote for Gary.
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Now that you mention, it you did infer you were going to vote for Gary.
Hardly. Since Paul isn't the Republican nominee, how do you deduce that Paul would even come into the picture?
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My differences with Romney are more than just a single issue (the AWB is a big sticking point with me). Unlike the losers that inhabit the island of DU I will not be put into a position where I have to be constantly twisting into a knot defending my vote or be put into a position of perpetual disappointment.
Seriously? YES.
With "reasoning" like that...you're no better than the DUmmies.
You 100%'ers are a large part of the reason we're in the mess we're in with the GOP. And you'll be 100% of the reason IMHO that we lose this election if Obama (God forbid) wins again.
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Hardly. Since Paul isn't the Republican nominee, how do you deduce that Paul would even come into the picture?
Go back & read the question you wrote & I answered. Moron
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The stop was in reference to the intellectually dishonest BS about my decision not to vote for Romney then I must "prefer" Obama or that "Obama thanks me for my non vote". That's just crap.
Well the way I see it you would prefer for Obama to win over voting for Romney. I on the otherhand prefer to vote for Romney over Obama winning. I just hope there are more people who prefer to get Obama out than who will sit out and help Obama get another four years.
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Well the way I see it you would prefer for Obama to win over voting for Romney. I on the otherhand prefer to vote for Romney over Obama winning. I just hope there are more people who prefer to get Obama out than who will sit out and help Obama get another four years.
QFT
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Go back & read the question you wrote & I answered. Moron
I did, dick:
I'd vote for Gary Johnson over Ron Paul.
"I'd", a "conjunction" meaning I would, vote for Gary Johnson, previous Republican primary candidate, over Ron Paul, current Republican primary candidate who won't go away.
Translated: If Gary Johnson was running against Ron Paul in the GENERAL ELECTION, I would vote for Gary Johnson.
If you need more help, I'll break out the Blue Horse paper and crayons.
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Well the way I see it you would prefer for Obama to win over voting for Romney. I on the otherhand prefer to vote for Romney over Obama winning. I just hope there are more people who prefer to get Obama out than who will sit out and help Obama get another four years.
Give up on him/her/it. He/she/it is a skinhead thumb sucker.
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You guys sure do have a lot of faith in Romney. I did, until yesterday. I thought for sure Roberts was going to oppose this. He didn't. Hell, from what I've been hearing, he essentially rewrote the damn thing to allow it. He was appointed by Bush, who was, for the most part, to the right of Romney. I fear that it doesn't matter who the hell wins. The supreme will be full retard left as soon as Kennedy or Scalia or both either retire or die and the nation as we know it will be done. I have the choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. No, I'm NOT voting for Paul. I'll wind up voting for Romney, but if he doesn't do exactly what he says he's going to do, I'm done with my loose affiliation with the Republican party.
The problem is I have faith in Obama destroying us further. I have hope that Romney with a conservative congress can reverse some of the damage. So as you can see my faith is not in Romney.
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Give up on him/her/it. He/she/it is a skinhead thumb sucker.
We just have a disagreement, I'm not going to resort to name calling or being mean, unless he fires first.
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We just have a disagreement, I'm not going to resort to name calling or being mean, unless he fires first.
Have fun.
Quote: "If you need more help, I'll break out the Blue Horse paper and crayons."
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With "reasoning" like that...you're no better than the DUmmies.
You 100%'ers are a large part of the reason we're in the mess we're in with the GOP. And you'll be 100% of the reason IMHO that we lose this election if Obama (God forbid) wins again.
100% no, I would settle for 50% if it were on the right issues. Compromise is a cancer in the GOP if we had no values then we would be democrats and Mitt is just another step leap in that direction.
Yea it will be my fault if Obama wins not that the GOP put up a Shit candidate. :whatever:
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Well, didn't take CC too long to become like the DUmp. Disagree with RINO's and get labeled a Skinhead. What next, gonna tell people to enjoy their pizza? Yeah, that's what we wanted when we started this place. I remember the early talks. "Look guys, what we're striving for here is to create a board that walks lockstep. It works at DU, so it should work here".
Good God. Just because someone doesn't like Romney they're a skinhead or a Ron Paul voter. For ****s sake. Never thought my disdain for Ron Paul was such a state secret.
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Well, didn't take CC too long to become like the DUmp. Disagree with RINO's and get labeled a Skinhead. What next, gonna tell people to enjoy their pizza? Yeah, that's what we wanted when we started this place. I remember the early talks. "Look guys, what we're striving for here is to create a board that walks lockstep. It works at DU, so it should work here".
Good God. Just because someone doesn't like Romney they're a skinhead or a Ron Paul voter. For ****s sake. Never thought my disdain for Ron Paul was such a state secret.
What possible good does it do, at this point, to puff up your chest & declare you are not going to vote for Romney? Do you feel it would be better if we all joined you? What is your point?
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What possible good does it do, at this point, to puff up your chest & declare you are not going to vote for Romney? Do you feel it would be better if we all joined you? What is your point?
Point out where I said I wasn't voting for Romney.
...waiting...
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Point out where I said I wasn't voting for Romney.
...waiting...
Sorry I mixed you up with your buddy Rover. So glad you will be voting for Romney.
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Easy kids.
This thread is to make fun of the DUmp, not become them.
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The problem is I have faith in Obama destroying us further. I have hope that Romney with a conservative congress can reverse some of the damage. So as you can see my faith is not in Romney.
I think Freeper and I were separated at birth, he and I think way too much alike! :cheersmate:
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Sorry I mixed you up with your buddy Rover. So glad you will be voting for Romney.
I already voted for Romney once its your turn, I just hope it works out better for you than it did for me. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me comes to mind when discussing Romney.
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I already voted for Romney once its your turn, I just hope it works out better for you than it did for me. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me comes to mind when discussing Romney.
That seems to be pretty close to saying you won't vote for Romney. You are fer-sure puffed up.
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I think Freeper and I were separated at birth, he and I think way too much alike! :cheersmate:
What's your favorite color? :tongue:
:cheersmate:
I'm just happy that you don't think, thinking like me is a bad thing. :-)
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What's your favorite color? :tongue:
:cheersmate:
I'm just happy that you don't think, thinking like me is a bad thing. :-)
Green!
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Green!
Blue is mine, I hate that the dems use blue. :-)
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Green!
Army green?
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Army green?
:naughty:
Forest Green, I also love pink a lot. Our bedroom is blue though, my husband didn't want it that girly looking so we compromised, the room and carpet are blue and I have flowered blue comforters, quilts and pillows.
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OMG! I'm watching O'Reilly, Laura Ingraham is filling in, she's talking to 2 Doctors, 1 against Obamacare and 1 for Obamacare, the 1 for Obamacare said we're heading for a 2 tier system, and basically those that can afford it will continue to get good care, and he also said we'll be seeing more Nurses and PA's then actually seeing Doctors, the 1 against Obamacare said Physicians will just drop Government insurance and just take care of those who can afford it, he also talked about the waits Americans will have for appts.
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I don't know why but that reminded me of a song I heard part of 2 weeks ago while flipping channels on the radio....went something like this..."I'm voting for the white boy, I'm voting for the white boy this time......." :lmao:
It was on John Boy and Billy I was :lmao: too. It was to the tune of "Play that Funky Music, White Boy".