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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Danglars on June 27, 2012, 01:19:45 PM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002853819#post1
For your reading pleasure, DUmmies in despair:
Blue Meany (1,025 posts)
1. Maybe they want a chance to get ouf town before
people find out what they have done.
Yes, you would like mob "justice," wouldn't you? Your kind are the reason that every demagoguic dictator has ever come to power through a ballot box. You have no idea what you've become, do you? But that's alright. It pleases me that you see the glass half-empty, today.
Response to pnwmom (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:35 AM
Quantess (20,530 posts)
10. Does anybody else have a bad feeling about it?
Because I do. Nobody knows, but I think it will be bad.
By which you mean good--for us, AND for you, although you can't ever understand these truths.
Quantess (20,530 posts)
15. But if it gets ruled unconstitutional
maybe it isn't the end of the world, since it is far from perfect, anyway.
I have a feeling the SC will strike it down.
Oh what the hell---yes, for you it's the end of the world. Like the man said, "time to embrace the horror!" :tongue:
Response to pnwmom (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:24 PM
jpljr77 (606 posts)
14. Probably because the decision is going to be so complicated
They are deciding a ton of stuff in this case. So there will be a ton of opinions written (maybe even all nine!). Some will dissent and concur with others, some will explain their own positions. There is a chance that several will be read at the announcement on Thursday (like several dissents today).
Honestly, my gut tells me that it does not bode will for the mandate, but might bode well for the rest of the bill (so the middle option). If it was upheld in total, it would be a fairly simple thing (with Scalia and Thomas, of course, offering "blistering" dissents). So the fact that they all but cleared the decks before Thursday might mean it's going to be a long conference result announcement.
Naturally I want the whole Obomination excreted down the judicial toilet like the legislative sewage it is, but I'd settle for your guts being right. I'll take the guts being ripped out of this thing. The rest can be defunded and repealed.
NightWatcher (18,133 posts)
3. shame?
Maybe they know (deep down inside past their corporate beholden duty) from their days studying law that they are going to do something they shouldnt do.
Oh, and by that I mean overturn any portion that would help Obama or The People at large. The SC is now a tool of the Reich wing Corporate plutocrats.
How did you know we're from Pluto? HOW DID YOU KNOW, HUMAN!!!!???
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Welcome to fear, DUmmies: it's hope turned inside out. Are you enjoying that feeling of dread in the pits of your stomachs? I am.
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18. pnwmom (38,506 posts)
We won't get anything better than this. We can forget about anyone attempting
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another major health plan for another couple decades, if this fails.
If this passes Constitutional muster, then Congress can work on improving it. If we have a more liberal Congress, they could add a public option.
But if it fails, no major health plan will be forthcoming for a long, long time.
Yes, yes, that's exactly right! Just so, old man. We'll clamp the lid down so hard nothing like this will ever pass through Congress again in your lifetime, or your children's lifetimes, or their children's lifetimes. You will NEVER see this again. Never.
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Oh, and by that I mean overturn any portion that would help Obama or The People at large.
As one of "The People" I'm still completely in the dark of any part of Obamacare that is actually going to help me.
But keep it up DUmmies. Either way, it's a loss for The Won.
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Blue_In_AK (34,716 posts)
19. They like the drama.
It makes them feel really important.
They ARE important, DUmmie, unlike you!
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There was a pretty big deal about the donks not putting in a "Sever Ability Clause" in HellCare. I always just thought it was an oversight or just arrogance. Rush put out a few good points. The donks might have thought by putting no ability to separate the mandate it would intimidate the SCOTUS and not strike down the entire signature law of the historic, unprecedented first communist president. The other was that the only ruling on sever ability came from the first federal judge and rule the whole law unconstitutional.
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There was a pretty big deal about the donks not putting in a "Sever Ability Clause" in HellCare. I always just thought it was an oversight or just arrogance. Rush put out a few good points. The donks might have thought by putting no ability to separate the mandate it would intimidate the SCOTUS and not strike down the entire signature law of the historic, unprecedented first communist president. The other was that the only ruling on sever ability came from the first federal judge and rule the whole law unconstitutional.
If the USSC drops the mandate but allows the rest to remain, then it is the next step on the way to socialized healthcare. Insurance companies can not survive all the other parts without having healthy people being forced to buy insurance.
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They will be crying when it is shot down, and then cheering in the streets when Obama slaps that executive order down defying the SCOTUS decision. We will then be cheering in the streets when we see Obama taken out of the White House in handcuffs because of his contempt.
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I'm not overly optimistic, but Intrade has it at 72% to be struck down.
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Hey DUmbasses, if this law stands, oceans of doctors are retiring on the spot. Ever think that through? You loooove this socialized medicine, but it's kind of hard to remove your own burst appendix by yourself in the bathroom.
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They can excise more than the mandate but less than the whole law--I'm thinking especially of the provisions that would bankrupt insurance companies.
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Hey DUmbasses, if this law stands, oceans of doctors are retiring on the spot. Ever think that through? You loooove this socialized medicine, but it's kind of hard to remove your own burst appendix by yourself in the bathroom.
Easy solution, enlist (draft) all doctors in the Obama Medical Corpse. They will be allowed to retire two weeks after their death.
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Like with every political decision from DC, tomorrow with the primitives will be either elation or pity-party. There is no in-between.
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Like with every political decision from DC, tomorrow with the primitives will be either elation or pity-party. There is no in-between.
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My money's on the latter. Bob Beckel is on The Five right now trying to defend it. It's actually kinda funny watching him twist and turn.
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Easy solution, enlist (draft) all doctors in the Obama Medical Corpse. They will be allowed to retire two weeks after their death.
Only works for the current crop of doctors (because who'd want to be a doctor under those conditions?), and only until the first one sues for violation of the 13th Amendment.
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Only works for the current crop of doctors (because who'd want to be a doctor under those conditions?), and only until the first one sues for violation of the 13th Amendment.
Never heard of executive orders before. Actually, ABM has "evolved" to presidential proclamations.
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Well - I have to give credit where credit is due - Obama may have created a 'shovel ready' job after all - burying this turd of a bill deep inside the litterbox of history.
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No matter how it turns out, the press will claim that it is a victory for 0bama. After all, they claimed that Scot Walker not getting the boot was a big win for 0bama.
If it is struck down, odds are good that 0bama will choose to ignore their ruling and press on with it anyway. That is how he does business, congress won't pass his bills? No biggie just do it anyway. Congress won't appoint his cronies? No biggie just claim that congress is in recess and appoint them anyway. Congress is after his Attorney General, who lied to congress? No biggie, just pull EP out of your ass. He abuses his power on a regular basis and his fanclub at DU cheers. :banghead:
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Top GOP Leaders committed today to repeal it if is not completely struck down tomorrow. Romney said again yesterday that if the SCOTUS does not strike it down, he will repeal it his first day in office.
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No matter how it turns out, the press will claim that it is a victory for 0bama. After all, they claimed that Scot Walker not getting the boot was a big win for 0bama.
If it is struck down, odds are good that 0bama will choose to ignore their ruling and press on with it anyway. That is how he does business, congress won't pass his bills? No biggie just do it anyway. Congress won't appoint his cronies? No biggie just claim that congress is in recess and appoint them anyway. Congress is after his Attorney General, who lied to congress? No biggie, just pull EP out of your ass. He abuses his power on a regular basis and his fanclub at DU cheers. :banghead:
I believe there is no action that President Bush was wrongly accused of doing/planning to do by DU and other primitives that Obama hasn't actually done to cheers by the same crowd, save for 'canceling the election'.
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0bama brags about assassinating people and the DUmmies love him.
Bush admin got some terrorist a little wet and it was torture.
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0bama brags about assassinating people and the DUmmies love him.
Bush admin got some terrorist a little wet and it was torture.
That is because it is o.k as long as a liberal is doing it. You can guarantee that once Romney gets elected and continues with the same thing Obama is doing, as far as terrorism, they will be calling for him to be brought up on war crimes.
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Probably a dumb question, but what time is the ruling expected to come tomorrow?
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Probably a dumb question, but what time is the ruling expected to come tomorrow?
10 am eastern
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10 am eastern
Damn...
Right before I go to work. That will set my mood for the whole day. It better be good news. I have a feeling it's going buh-bye.
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Hey DUmbasses, if this law stands, oceans of doctors are retiring on the spot. Ever think that through? You loooove this socialized medicine, but it's kind of hard to remove your own burst appendix by yourself in the bathroom.
IN their world their next step is to mandate doctors to work whether they want to or not.
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IN their world their next step is to mandate doctors to work whether they want to or not.
Or mandate when businesses should hire, for every dollar of profit force them to hire an additional person.
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Or mandate when businesses should hire, for every dollar of profit force them to hire an additional person.
Yep, if it's upheld, I see no end to the word 'mandate'.
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Why don't they just mandate everyone stay healthy and impose heavy fines for citizens that do not comply?
Of course, illegal aliens can still use the emergency rooms.
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Yep, if it's upheld, I see no end to the word 'mandate'.
Yes, zee pozibilities are endless.... No?
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Yep, if it's upheld, I see no end to the word 'mandate'.
So would this group:
:gay: :gay2:
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Yes, zee pozibilities are endless.... No?
Yez, ve haave our vayz to make you comply! :evillaugh:
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Why don't they just mandate everyone stay healthy and impose heavy fines for citizens that do not comply?
Of course, illegal aliens can still use the emergency rooms.
That has been in the works for years - they usually call those fines 'sin taxes' on products that primitives dislike. It isn't hard to imagine a rapidly expanding base of sin taxes that are used to fund Obamacare.
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That has been in the works for years - they usually call those fines 'sin taxes' on products that primitives dislike. It isn't hard to imagine a rapidly expanding base of sin taxes that are used to fund Obamacare.
Mayor "Nanny" Bloomberg comes to mind.
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Yes, zee pozibilities are endless.... No?
oui oui, monsieur haw haw hawwww :-)