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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Freeper on June 24, 2012, 11:24:08 AM
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I love how they ask these questions at the safety of the hive.
Bandit (19,081 posts)
Two questions for Republican Christians
Do you believe Romney is Rich?.... do you believe Romney is going to Heaven?
If Romney is rich, and by all accounts he is extremely rich, and Jesus said that it would be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven, how is it possible Romney could enter Heaven? Why would you vote for a person you know Jesus himself would not allow into Heaven? Has your Party become more to you than Jesus Christ?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002842608
upi402 (15,445 posts)
32. Jesus was a socialist
But they don't bother with facts.
God I hope there really IS a hell for these phake kristians!
If Jesus was a socialist then why is it he never laid out the responsibilities of the government? Why is it his message was to the individual? Not once did he say reach into your rich neighbor's pocket and take his money.
Watching DUmmies debate Christianity is pretty funny.
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How did you get rich and what did you do with a portion of it after you got rich?
I think that is a more appropriate question for a rich guy. The DUmmies won't see it that way because all rich people stole their money from the DUmmies and didn't spread the wealth around according to DUmmie dictates.
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Bandit (19,081 posts)
Two questions for Republican Christians
Do you believe Romney is Rich?.... do you believe Romney is going to Heaven?
If Romney is rich, and by all accounts he is extremely rich, and Jesus said that it would be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven, how is it possible Romney could enter Heaven? Why would you vote for a person you know Jesus himself would not allow into Heaven? Has your Party become more to you than Jesus Christ?
I don't know if Romney is going to heaven, but I'm not voting based on who is going to heaven. I'm voting based on who is less likely to send the entire country to hell. Romney appears to be that man. Now, if Romney is going to heaven it is because of this- John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Is your lord and savior 0 rich?
upi402 (15,445 posts)
32. Jesus was a socialist
But they don't bother with facts.
God I hope there really IS a hell for these phake kristians!
Below are Jesus' own words. Tell me where the government was called in to help someone in need-
Luke 10:30-37 And Jesus answering said, A certain [man] went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded [him], and departed, leaving [him] half dead. And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked [on him], and passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion [on him], And went to [him], and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave [them] to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee. Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Did you notice the last part? Did He say sit around and let the government do it?
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Two questions for Republican Christians
Ask those questions on a board where Republicans post and then you'll get an answer.
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Ask those questions on a board where Republicans post and then you'll get an answer.
I think it might have been rhetorical. In other news, I read that Romney actually had passed through the eye of a needle. I think it was in Farmington NM or Wink TX (not sure about the exact place).
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Ask those questions on a board where Republicans post and then you'll get an answer.
That would mean leaving the safety of the hive, and they can't do that if they did their illusion of being sooper geniuses would be shattered.
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Romney donated $7 million to his church last year. How much of a offering do you DUmp sticks give? Oh wait, you hate Christians, so you don't go to church.
Also, what do you say about John Kerry? He is worth more than Romney! You stupid bigots.
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Why do you ask a question of Republican Christians at a place where neither Republicans nor Christians are allowed? Are you afraid of the answer?
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Also, what do you say about John Kerry? He is worth more than Romney! You stupid bigots.
Not to be a stickler but, Kerry has never been worth dick. His wives on the other hand woowee. He does however, travel with a "manservant" so as to appear rich.
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I love how they ask these questions at the safety of the hive.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002842608
If Jesus was a socialist then why is it he never laid out the responsibilities of the government? Why is it his message was to the individual? Not once did he say reach into your rich neighbor's pocket and take his money.
Watching DUmmies debate Christianity is pretty funny.
I'd say that Romney would have an easier time than Uncle Teddy or George Soros...
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Not to be a stickler but, Kerry has never been worth dick. His wives on the other hand woowee. He does however, travel with a "manservant" so as to appear rich.
Yeah, but I think you get the point. I don't think there was a prenup when Kerry and his wife got married?
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Everything a DUmmy knows about Christianity they learned from Bill Maher.
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The DUches are so cute when they try to talk about Jesus.
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Yeah, but I think you get the point. I don't think there was a prenup when Kerry and his wife got married?
I did. But, I judge a persons "worth" based on how they earned it & how they use it. Both counts Kerry has got dick.
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Hmmm.
The Kennedy brothers were extremely rich, and revered Democrats.
They were also reported to be devout Catholics.
So, Dummies... in other words, it's ok to be rich and Christian if one is a Democrat. It just isn't if one is rich and Christian and Republican.
Lovely to see that hypocrisy continues to reign on high in Dummieland.
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As a conservative Christian and candidate for ministry,
Do I believe Romney is rich?
Yes, but not more so than usual for a politician of his standing. In either case, that has no bearing on his ability to govern.
Do I believe Romney is going to Heaven?
Personaly, I do not believe he is, based on the dictates of my faith. However, Romney's personal religious beliefs are none of my concern unless they negatively impact how he governs, and so far they don't appear to do that.
Ultra- liberals do adore trumpeting and perverting that "Camel/ eye of the needle" verse in a pitiful attempt to try and pervert the faith to justify Socialism. A few points, though:
1. There are several wealthy people I know of who actively live to serve Jesus, and who I am fairly confident will be in Heaven as a result. Pastors of some particularly large churches are probably wealthy, but those who truly follow Jesus and trust in Him will be saved for both their faith, and how much they have done to serve the Kingdom. My favorite singer Rebecca St. James is wealthy, but I know that she is a true woman of God who has led countless people to find Christ, openly praised Jesus through her music and also her writing, and gives Him all the glory for her success. I have no doubt that she will be welcomed into Heaven. I work with my church's youth program, and we are currently doing three weeklong missions trips to an orphanage we have sponsored in Cat Island (In the Bahamas), I myself will be going the second trip. The trips would not be possible without the financial backing of several wealthy Christians who helped foot the bills as their way of serving the Kingdom of God. In the Bible, the apostle Paul is greatly helped by the woman Lydia, a wealthy purple cloth dealer who became the leader of a group of Christians in her town after accepting Jesus. She has certainly been welcomed into Heaven.
2. In that verse, Jesus was pointing out that love of money/ posessions can become a form of idolatry, which can make it difficult (Though by no means impossible) for wealthy people to know God. The problem isn't having money itself; It's being more focused on money and materialism than on God. Jesus had literally just seen a wealthy young man who had initially wanted to follow Him suddenly refuse to do so out of fear of parting with his possessions, so He said that to kind of follow up from that encounter. The danger is not having money or posessions, but placing more value on money and possessions than on a relationship with God.
3. It is widely believed that the verse in question may have been mistranslated, that instead of "Camel," it may have meant "Gamel," which is the Hebrew word for "Thread." That would certainly make more sense ("Easier for a thread to pass through the eye of a needle...").
"Why would you vote for a person you know Jesus himself would not allow into Heaven?"
As I said, his beliefs are his own business as long as they don't negatively impact the way he leads, and so far they don't seem to.
btw, while I'm no mind reader, I personally don't think Jesus would allow Obama into Heaven, either. Obama appears to be an Agnostic whose sympathies lie heavily with Muslims at the expense of Christians and Jews. He took National Day of Prayer (A day officially recognized/ observed for the past 60 years, yet whose roots go all the way back to a mandate given by George Washington) out of the White House. In 2011, he didn't give a public address for Easter or Good Friday, but he did so for the start of Ramadan and various other Muslim holidays. He is forcing Christian employers to act against their consciences and the dictates of their faith through his health care bill forcing them to give free birth control and abortions to their employees. Jesus did not have good things to say about those who are corrupting influences on His children, and I'd say Obama's actions definitely qualify as that.
" Has your Party become more to you than Jesus Christ?"
I'd say the same of "Christian" Democrats who support Obama in spite of his aforementioned birth control mandate, his open support of partial- birth abortion, and his open support of gay marriage.
"Jesus was a socialist..."
1. Jesus encouraged people to help the poor and needy of their own free will through personal acts of willful generosity, which Republicans/ conservatives are fine with (They in fact greatly exceed liberals in their generosity to the poor). Socialism is about forcing people to help the poor through mandatory wealth redistribution, which makes people resentful of giving.
2. Why would Jesus support a system of government under which tens of millions of His followers around the world have been persecuted, imprisoned, tortured, and executed for refusing to deny Him and become atheists? It would be the equivalent of Moses supporting Nazism.
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"Jesus was a socialist..."
1. Jesus encouraged people to help the poor and needy of their own free will through personal acts of willful generosity, which Republicans/ conservatives are fine with (They in fact greatly exceed liberals in their generosity to the poor). Socialism is about forcing people to help the poor through mandatory wealth redistribution, which makes people resentful of giving.
2. Why would Jesus support a system of government under which tens of millions of His followers around the world have been persecuted, imprisoned, tortured, and executed for refusing to deny Him and become atheists? It would be the equivalent of Moses supporting Nazism.
Jesus said to help those who can not help themselves. The liberals make it out to be that he said help those who won't help themselves.
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That "socialist" line...what a disgustingly blasphemous thing to say. And I am not even a Christian. :banghead:
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2. Why would Jesus support a system of government.....
What government did he support?
None.
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Dummies remind me of the next generation of teenagers dying their hair, wearing combat boots, and talking back to their parents for the first time. They think they are actually breaking new ground with some of their rhetorical questions and are going to be the ones who are sooo different in how they approach things then everyone before them.
Note to dummies: BTDT :yawn:
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Dummies remind me of the next generation of teenagers dying their hair, wearing combat boots, and talking back to their parents for the first time. They think they are actually breaking new ground with some of their rhetorical questions and are going to be the ones who are sooo different in how they approach things then everyone before them.
Note to dummies: BTDT :yawn:
Yes, but when we did, we were fortunate to have a leader who allowed us to act a fool, and supported us anyway, with strength. Now that we are all growed up, we can appreciate our foundation. Who do these guys got?
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And the Kennedys were soooooo poor as well. :mental:
Here's a question for Democrats, any religion: how do you feel about your first Dem President, Andrew Jackson, being very, very weathy (self-made as we understand it, but wealthy) before he ran for the Presidency, and owning many, many black slaves?
We don't even have to go on to the Trail of Tears.
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Yes, but when we did, we were fortunate to have a leader who allowed us to act a fool, and supported us anyway, with strength. Now that we are all growed up, we can appreciate our foundation. Who do these guys got?
Well what I meant is they think like ALL generations of teenagers that they are breaking some new ground by their feeble efforts to put conservative Christians on the spot. I would bet you money this guy really thinks he's going to just stump every Christian out there with this one; kinda like every teenager talking back to his parents' for the first time thinks he's powerfully and uniquely asserting his independence in some way his parents just never did :rotf:. It was a comparison to the same level of maturity and lack of talent for effectual discourse. :wink: :-)
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Well what I meant is they think like ALL generations of teenagers that they are breaking some new ground by their feeble efforts to put conservative Christians on the spot. I would bet you money this guy really thinks he's going to just stump every Christian out there with this one; kinda like every teenager talking back to his parents' for the first time thinks he's powerfully and uniquely asserting his independence in some way his parents just never did :rotf:. It was a comparison to the same level of maturity and lack of talent for effectual discourse. :wink: :-)
Well there's that too. I am just in a missing Reagan kind of mood. :-)
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Well there's that too. I am just in a missing Reagan kind of mood. :-)
Yeah, i hear you... :bawl:
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Bandit (19,081 posts)
Two questions for Republican Christians
Do you believe Romney is Rich?.... do you believe Romney is going to Heaven?
If Romney is rich, and by all accounts he is extremely rich, and Jesus said that it would be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven, how is it possible Romney could enter Heaven? Why would you vote for a person you know Jesus himself would not allow into Heaven? Has your Party become more to you than Jesus Christ?
After reading this again, I came to the question of whether this moron really thinks that Obama will enter heaven or not. I love listening to people who don't go to church, don't read the bible, or don't believe in God try to tell me about the Cristian rules. I am sure we all know that they are the biggest authorities on it right? /sarcam
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Bandit (19,081 posts)
Two questions for Republican Christians
Do you believe Romney is Rich?.... do you believe Romney is going to Heaven?
If Romney is rich, and by all accounts he is extremely rich, and Jesus said that it would be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven, how is it possible Romney could enter Heaven?
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
I know it's asking an awful lot, but you'd think they could read at least a couple more verses when they cherry-pick their little "sermons." ::) ::)
Bandit (19,081 posts)
Why would you vote for a person you know Jesus himself would not allow into Heaven?
Wow, what happened to the oft quoted (and oft misquoted) Judge not that ye be not judged. Who are YOU, Bandit, to know who will go to Heaven and who will not?
Has your Party become more to you than Jesus Christ?
You mean the way your Party has become more to you than your country, your freedom, your principles, your honor, and the lives of your children?
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As a conservative Christian and candidate for ministry,
Do I believe Romney is rich?
Yes, but not more so than usual for a politician of his standing. In either case, that has no bearing on his ability to govern.
Do I believe Romney is going to Heaven?
Personaly, I do not believe he is, based on the dictates of my faith. However, Romney's personal religious beliefs are none of my concern unless they negatively impact how he governs, and so far they don't appear to do that.
I'm curious.
Why do you make the statement I bolded?
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Obama isn't rich?
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I'm curious.
Why do you make the statement I bolded?
Not trying to offend anyone, but I personally believe Mormonism is a false religion and unBiblical. I was making an honest answer to the DUmmy's question.
As I said, though, that's just my personal stance. Romney and all other Mormons have the right to their beliefs, and I don't have a problem with a Mormon president aslong as he doesn't let his beliefs negatively impact his ability to govern, and so far they don't appear to do so.