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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: USA4ME on June 18, 2012, 11:37:07 AM
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NNN0LHI
Want to hear one of my first memories of wealthy Republican relatives of mine? (Warning: Sad story)
Now I am just going by memory here from when I was about 5 or 6 years old.
My parents and these relatives of ours were sitting around the kitchen table like they always did back then. These relatives and my parents were really close. They were over at our house a lot.
They had a beautiful little daughter about my age. Maybe a year younger than me. Well these relatives were explaining that their daughter had been diagnosed with what they used to call "mental retardation", back during the early 1960's when this conversation occurred.
These parents were devastated when the doctor told them she would be like this her entire life.
Now you may want to stop reading here because what I am about to tell you is not pleasant at all.
These relatives of mine told my parents that they had decided that they were going to fly to NY City and leave this little girl in the street and then fly back home without her. I will never forget the look of terror on my parents face when they were told about my relatives plan. My parents were devastated by what they were just told. They couldn't believe what they were hearing. They were speechless.
I was actually too young then to fully grasp what they were talking about at the time but my parents related this story to me again later in life and explained how they later talked these relatives out of carrying through with their plan. They basically threatened them. Told them they were going to go to the police if they did what they said they were going to do.
Just a little insight into the mind of these wealthy Republican relatives of mine.
Wish I had never heard this story.
Don
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002823348
Suuuuuuure it happened. Suuuuuuure they were Republicans.
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Hell, half the five-year olds I know can barely PRONOUNCE, "Republican."
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No cops, no bushes, no conversion...no fun. :bs:
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No cops, no bushes, no conversion...no fun. :bs:
No bong either.
Just an outright lie to stir up fake outrage.
nihhhinny, You suck as a bouncy writer.
Try being honest for once.
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Is she sure they weren't going to take her to NY and leave her there? You know how those Democrats like to get rid of their kids.
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No bong either.
Just an outright lie to stir up fake outrage.
nihhhinny, You suck as a bouncy writer.
Try being honest for once.
Not even close to being believeable. It reeks of the scent of desperation for the outrage you mention.
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Bullshit. Wealthy people no matter their political persuasion have the means with which to care for a child with disabilities for one but putting that aside I'm a conservative and a single mother to an autistic child. It's hard but somehow I manage to get thru the days without a thought of setting him ou in the middle of a busy urban center. What exactly is the point of this post? What a stupid conclusion to come to that it is somehow politically motivated.
Btw I guess the forget that a member of the Kennedy clan they idolize had their mentally ill child lobotomized.
What he is referring to seems to be a behavior peculiar to very wealthy people. 'hiding' family members with issues and relegating children into the hands of staff. And I does not appear to be a political thing but a culture of wealth thing unrelated to the D or the R.
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Btw I guess the forget that a member of the Kennedy clan they idolize had their mentally ill child lobotomized.
Lies!!! lies!!! Teddy was actually born that way.
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I think the DUche has republican and democrat confused.
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Lies!!! lies!!! Teddy was actually born that way.
Lol
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Lies!!! lies!!! Teddy was actually born that way.
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Lies!!! lies!!! Teddy was actually born that way.
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Here's what I remember about my childhood with liberal democrats, who as my stepfather says "vote for the person who promises to give you the most stuff". Complete chaos, so much so that I moved out before I was 18, (no one really cared). It was less chaotic at my boyfriend's house. He was a biker. A mother who didn't care what I did as long as I didn't embarrass her in front of her friends and neighbors, nightly gin and tonic festivals (oh, and my favorite...a mother who used to sit in the family room in the dark, drinking wine, listening to music, crying and waiting for us to come home so she could be maudlin and sentimental and tell us how wonderful we were), a father who was rarely around except when he wanted me to meet his new girlfriend, wife, whatever. That was okay because it usually meant a trip to Disneyland and/or a bunch of presents. I do remember one was an Operation game. There were no talks of politics or anything else around the table because the kids ate in the kitchen until we moved out while my mom and whoever ate at the bar in the family room. The only normal I had was when I lived with my conservative grandparents who gave me love, discipline, and school clothes. And they took me to the dentist for the first time in my life when I was 12 because my parents thought it was the other one's responsibility.
Sorry, there's no conversion story except mine because I decided no way was I ever going to be dependent on anyone ever again for my opinions and the life I chose to live.
Lest I forget: SO, I lived happily ever after.
Cindie
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Here's what I remember about my childhood with liberal democrats, who as my stepfather says "vote for the person who promises to give you the most stuff". Complete chaos, so much so that I moved out before I was 18, (no one really cared). It was less chaotic at my boyfriend's house. He was a biker. A mother who didn't care what I did as long as I didn't embarrass her in front of her friends and neighbors, nightly gin and tonic festivals (oh, and my favorite...a mother who used to sit in the family room in the dark, drinking wine, listening to music, crying and waiting for us to come home so she could be maudlin and sentimental and tell us how wonderful we were), a father who was rarely around except when he wanted me to meet his new girlfriend, wife, whatever. That was okay because it usually meant a trip to Disneyland and/or a bunch of presents. I do remember one was an Operation game. There were no talks of politics or anything else around the table because the kids ate in the kitchen until we moved out while my mom and whoever ate at the bar in the family room. The only normal I had was when I lived with my conservative grandparents who gave me love, discipline, and school clothes. And they took me to the dentist for the first time in my life when I was 12 because my parents thought it was the other one's responsibility.
Sorry, there's no conversion story except mine because I decided no way was I ever going to be dependent on anyone ever again for my opinions and the life I chose to live.
Lest I forget: SO, I lived happily ever after.
Cindie
Cop...bushes. Nuff said.
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Cop...bushes. Nuff said.
Ok, Sometimes a cop did jump out of the bushes when I went to a kegger.
Cindie
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Ok, Sometimes a cop did jump out of the bushes when I went to a kegger.
Cindie
I am sure you were long gone by then though....right???? :cheersmate:
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Lies!!! lies!!! Teddy was actually born that way.
H5-worthy, and given. :-) O-)
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Ok, Sometimes a cop did jump out of the bushes when I went to a kegger.
Cindie
Stay out the...oh never mind.
Bouncy....inducing narcolepsy....Losing...will...to type. O-ver-come with bore.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Nixon = IDEA; GHWB = ADA; GWB = NCLB (which meant students with disabilities could no longer be warehoused in classrooms in the basement).
Republicans have come through for children/adults with true disabilities. They believe there should be a safety net for them. It's the rest of you sloths who suck the system dry and ruin it for those who are diagnosed with "mental retardation."
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Nixon = IDEA; GHWB = ADA; GWB = NCLB (which meant students with disabilities could no longer be warehoused in classrooms in the basement).
Republicans have come through for children/adults with true disabilities. They believe there should be a safety net for them. It's the rest of you sloths who suck the system dry and ruin it for those who are diagnosed with "mental retardation."
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Agreed. However I have seen some attitudes here and there from our side who wouldn't mind warehousing the 'inconvenient' too if it would save them a dime or having to watch the uncomfortable behavior at times of the disabled.
I think what occurs to me about this post is if they were all so close he hasn't considered for a moment that this was an adult making an offhand comment or expressing their frustration in a comment they totally intended to not really pursue. Acts like his folks are some kind of folk heroes when in actually they probably understood their good friends were speaking out of frustration and probably lent an ear and suggestions knowing they were just frustrated. If this happened I think te dummies has a skewed perspective not being privy to the richness of an adult conversation at the time as an immature child and has built some folklore around the incident to fit his ridiculous stereotype.
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Agreed. However I have seen some attitudes here and there from our side who wouldn't mind warehousing the 'inconvenient' too if it would save them a dime or having to watch the uncomfortable behavior at times of the disabled.
I think what occurs to me about this post is if they were all so close he hasn't considered for a moment that this was an adult making an offhand comment or expressing their frustration in a comment they totally intended to not really pursue. Acts like his folks are some kind of folk heroes when in actually they probably understood their good friends were speaking out of frustration and probably lent an ear and suggestions knowing they were just frustrated. If this happened I think te dummies has a skewed perspective not being privy to the richness of an adult conversation at the time as an immature child and has built some folklore around the incident to fit his ridiculous stereotype.
Agreed.
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Agreed. However I have seen some attitudes here and there from our side who wouldn't mind warehousing the 'inconvenient' too if it would save them a dime or having to watch the uncomfortable behavior at times of the disabled.
I think what occurs to me about this post is if they were all so close he hasn't considered for a moment that this was an adult making an offhand comment or expressing their frustration in a comment they totally intended to not really pursue. Acts like his folks are some kind of folk heroes when in actually they probably understood their good friends were speaking out of frustration and probably lent an ear and suggestions knowing they were just frustrated. If this happened I think te dummies has a skewed perspective not being privy to the richness of an adult conversation at the time as an immature child and has built some folklore around the incident to fit his ridiculous stereotype.
Dummies lie.
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Oh bullshit.
I can't even remember what happened when I was 5 or 6 years old. And I most certainly can't recall the looks on someone's face.
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Bullshit. Every family I know of that received a prenatal diagnosis that could possibly result in mental retardation that chose NOT to kill their child in the womb has been a conservative family. That is because their values made them not view children as Christmas sweaters you return because it is not the "right fit" but as blessings from God that you view unconditionally.
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I don't even need to preface my answer with *cough* *cough*......bullshit
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When I was 5, my parents had some close friends that used to come over and sit around the dining room table sometimes.
I have no idea if any of their conversations involved dumping any of us anywhere, or politics, or anything else. All I recall is that they were drinking (usually coffee), smoking (gasp!!!!!) and playing cards while all us kids played, rode trikes around and around the house, and basically ignored them. Just like most young children ignore the grown-ups when there are other kids to play with. lol
Oh, and their kid had lost an eye in an accident. They kept him... Somehow, that convinces me they weren't Democrats.
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Remember how DU told us Sarah Palin was a selfish bitch for having sex after age 45 then not having an abortion when the odds of Downs syndrome is greatly increased.
They need to make-up their minds.
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Bullshit. Every family I know of that received a prenatal diagnosis that could possibly result in mental retardation that chose NOT to kill their child in the womb has been a conservative family. That is because their values made them not view children as Christmas sweaters you return because it is not the "right fit" but as blessings from God that you view unconditionally.
What we forget is that parents with a disabled child with a million or two bucks in the bank are entitled to State and Government benefits for that child the same as the homeless.
Talking with this guy, a real looser who married a woman with a 2 year old disabled daughter. He and wife together made around $150,000 a year. He was bragging about spending $40,000 to put in a swimming pool.
Later he began to bitch about the government taking it's time about getting the child in special schools --she was now 6-7 years old. Damn public schools that had little resources to help her, complaints about him having to wait to put the child on the Handicap van to go to school. Complaints that he had to get up in the night to change her diapers, --------- [eye brow raised at this point].
Then to the complaints that his wife spent an hour a day after work doing PT with her daughter and not with him.
Somehow he had convinced the IRS to deduct the pool as a therapeutic tool for his stepdaughter. NH. the pool could be used at most 3-4 months of the year and that depended on if it was raining out.
I was appalled and had that conflicted feeling I get when around a charmer and a silver tonged devil.
A LIBERAL all the way down, Turtles as they say. Now he wanted a boy and somehow convinced his wife to get pregnant again against her fear of delivering another disabled child.
Disaster, the baby was a healthy girl. This Ass Hat wanted a boy and left his family and proceded to impregnate 2 more woman who also had girls. He ended up living with his Mother that found no fault with his behavior.
Even more strange was his Conservative older brother moved in his Ex and her girls and married his sister-in law.
Every penny they made went to getting the disabled child into a good school, no swimming pools for them. Changes were dramatic in the little girl, in 18 months she learned to walk and recognise people.
Real life is stranger then these Bouncy tales. Darn but I bet his family reunions are interesting.
Yes there are Liberals that act this way and yes there Consertives that come to the rescue of those the Liberals have beaten down.
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Yeah, yeah, that happened as grouchy old Don described it.
My guess is that something superficially like that might have happened, in which little Don eyewitnessed a slight outburst of temper by one of the parents.
We the "handicapped" can do that at times, exasperate others.
After which happened one of these cases similar with the old "if you don't behave, I'm going to stop the car right now and put you out, and you can walk ten miles home."
I think grouchy old Don as little Don absorbed a vague fragment of something, and extrapolated this tale from that.
Remember, grouchy old Don's memory isn't perfect; this is after all the same primitive who connects Ronald Reagan with the bad times of the 1970s and Jimmy Carter with the good times of the 1980s.
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Yeah, yeah, that happened as grouchy old Don described it.
My guess is that something superficially like that might have happened, in which little Don eyewitnessed a slight outburst of temper by one of the parents.
We the "handicapped" can do that at times, exasperate others.
After which happened one of these cases similar with the old "if you don't behave, I'm going to stop the car right now and put you out, and you can walk ten miles home."
I think grouchy old Don as little Don absorbed a vague fragment of something, and extrapolated this tale from that.
Remember, grouchy old Don's memory isn't perfect; this is after all the same primitive who connects Ronald Reagan with the bad times of the 1970s and Jimmy Carter with the good times of the 1980s.
We do not remember as adults intire conversations of people in times of duress. How can a 5 year old remember much more then their parents do ???
Kids memories May go back as far as 3 but these are just a flash of something that happend and others fill them in on what they believed happended.
4 generations or even 5, sitting about recalling the past. Say my grandparents, my parents, myself and my children all sitting about talking and laughing about the unusual family from the past we remember.
Sooner or later someone will say they do not remember a time others were at, or will jump up and say whatever happend did not happen that way.
Much comes from the age of the people, forgotten memories or those told to their children from the standpoint of the age they were at themselves.
Actually this has little to do with the memories of the Kennedy children, their sister was an adult when family forced a lobotomy on her. She it seems fell in love with a married man and some doctors convinced the Kennedy's that they could cure her in their private Sanitarium. Seems she was a wild one like her brothers were to become and an embarrassment to the family at the time. She also was an extreme example to the kids of what could happen to them if they did not tow the line as children or adults.
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Oh now, vesta, dear, don't take facts from one thing and try to insert them into another thing.
Rosemary Kennedy didn't fall in love with a married man. Her younger sister Kathleen however fell in love with a divorced man.
According to Rose: The Life and Times of Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy (Charles Higham, 1995, Simon & Shuster) and The Kennedys: The Third Generation (Barbara Gibson, 1993, Thunder's Mouth Press), Rosemary was born what would be considered today "normal," but she had characteristics offensive to her father, Joseph Kennedy. She wasn't retarded or nuts or anything; just not up to the standards of her father.
After about twenty years of dealing with her, her father finally lost his patience and had her lobotomized; this was just before the American entry into the second world war, early 1941 or something.
Old Joe of course was simply practicing the liberal dictum: conform, or we'll do something terrible to you.
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Oh now, vesta, dear, don't take facts from one thing and try to insert them into another thing.
Rosemary Kennedy didn't fall in love with a married man. Her younger sister Kathleen however fell in love with a divorced man.
According to Rose: The Life and Times of Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy (Charles Higham, 1995, Simon & Shuster) and The Kennedys: The Third Generation (Barbara Gibson, 1993, Thunder's Mouth Press), Rosemary was born what would be considered today "normal," but she had characteristics offensive to her father, Joseph Kennedy. She wasn't retarded or nuts or anything; just not up to the standards of her father.
After about twenty years of dealing with her, her father finally lost his patience and had her lobotomized; this was just before the American entry into the second world war, early 1941 or something.
Old Joe of course was simply practicing the liberal dictum: conform, or we'll do something terrible to you.
Curious of what ever happend to Kathleen. Far as I know she never married a movie star, or was mentioned much in my time. We have the other sisters that survived to end up at an early age looking like they had been under the care of a head shrink.
The wives of the boys Poor Joan for example and Ethel became nutty as a fruit cake.
Even with old Joe around at least Jackie stood up for herself. A fit fighter of French decent.---I am missing one, is this the Shriver whose son killed a young girl and finally went to jail ??
What a fantastic family, Charles Dickens could not have written about such as they.
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After which happened one of these cases similar with the old "if you don't behave, I'm going to stop the car right now and put you out, and you can walk ten miles home."
My parents threatened to sell me to gypsies several times. Does that count?
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My parents threatened to sell me to gypsies several times. Does that count?
I'm sure some liberal relative folk hero stepped in to stop them;)
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My parents threatened to sell me to gypsies several times. Does that count?
Well, you could have been Chaz...
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Vesta: there are only a handful of states that allow 'waivers' so children can get services regardless of income. It is not an across the board thing. Even those states that allow waivers don't make the same kind of resources available to children that adults would normally have. This of course makes the accurate(in most cases) presumption that te parents of a minor bear some responsibility for the child. Too bad the same presumption isn't made of welfare slouches.
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When I was 5, my parents had some close friends that used to come over and sit around the dining room table sometimes.
I have no idea if any of their conversations involved dumping any of us anywhere, or politics, or anything else. All I recall is that they were drinking (usually coffee), smoking (gasp!!!!!) and playing cards while all us kids played, rode trikes around and around the house, and basically ignored them. Just like most young children ignore the grown-ups when there are other kids to play with. lol
Oh, and their kid had lost an eye in an accident. They kept him... Somehow, that convinces me they weren't Democrats.
My youngest sister, Kathleen, was born Down syndrome. I don't recall my parents ever discussing dumping her, but I do specifically remember Dad wanting to dump my two brothers, other sister and I and keep Kathleen. :panic:
He suggested we research some places downtown Chicago, so he could dump us off on his way to work. :lol:
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NNN0LHI
Want to hear one of my first memories of wealthy Republican relatives of mine? (Warning: Sad story)
Now I am just going by memory here from when I was about 5 or 6 years old.
My parents and these relatives of ours were sitting around the kitchen table like they always did back then. These relatives and my parents were really close. They were over at our house a lot.
They had a beautiful little daughter about my age. Maybe a year younger than me. Well these relatives were explaining that their daughter had been diagnosed with what they used to call "mental retardation", back during the early 1960's when this conversation occurred.
These parents were devastated when the doctor told them she would be like this her entire life.
100% absolute bullshit.
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100% absolute bullshit.
Not so fast...."(Warning: Sad story)"
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Not so fast...."(Warning: Sad story)"
At one time didn't Trips father claim that Sara Palin called her baby "My little retard ".
Years after the fact that I baby sat a child that was diagnosed in the late 1960's as "retarded" and all the go around with the mother as I suspected the baby was deaf, in the early 1980's I finally caught us with her.
Now here is the Sad story. The Mother suspected there was a problem with her child early on-----this happens today in fact. The child's father was in the military so the child was seen by military baby doctors for months and they all came to the conclusion the child was retarded, yes that was the word used back then. Nothing to do but eventually have her placed in a facility to care for her.
The child's mother was a young woman, very smart going to college and having no family around just accepted the words of the doctors. She kept the baby clean and fed but because she had been told the child had little understanding or knowledge of others the baby spent its first year or so in a crib with just a bottle thrown to them and diaper changed.
When I started sitting for the baby the first thing I noticed was her cry, very odd, not the normal cry for a baby, then the fact that the baby was not use to being held, rocked, and did not respond to noise. The mother told me the doctors told her it was because she was not paying attention. A tub bath scared the crap out of the child and picking her up from behind caused her to flail.
Her home life was very quiet, mine was a ruckus's of kids, dogs, cats and birds. Music, TV radio and the phone ringing at all times of the day and night. Only baby I have ever seen that did not respond to sudden noise.
So I as a very young mother at the time not really knowing shit from shinola knew there was more going on then retardness, only one answer as the baby would watch with attention all of us and reach out for things [ she loved the red toys ]
Her mother and I would argue about the baby, mothers side was the experts knew what they were doing and I with nothing but a mothers instinct had to except the Prognoses.
We were transferred soon after and for years I wondered about that baby until 14? years later I ran into a family that served with the child's father and was able to catch up on the baby.
Mother and father had divorced but I got the mothers address and wrote to her. She had remarried a civilian and the baby had gone into his health care insurance. Up shot was the child was indeed deaf, in a school learning sign language and the mother had such anger towards the military doctors that had as she said robbed her baby of its first 3 years. [ Nothing about her acceptence of the experts openion, just excuses for what and how she treated the baby. ]
I was a bit upset with her, she was older then me, smart, yet she herself had been all to ready to go along with the experts and give her a reason to ignore the child and go on her happy way of partying and doing what she wanted to do. Damn one does not treat a dog this way.
Last time I spoke with her, I knew the child would now grow into a functioning adult and could now put the issue to rest. Or so I thought.
Today I wonder about all the kids being labeled this or that, all the Special Schools for kids with problem behavior. Why are the parents turning the kids over to the experts and not investigating on what is wrong themselves. Why are parents all so ready to claim it is the kids fault mentally or physically that there are problems and sit on their butts and put the problem on others and refuse to admit that they may be part of the problem.
Michell must be in her 30's today, grown woman perhaps married with her own children----- However I still see that lost and abandoned baby I knew, and know there are allot more like her out there.
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I was told that I had a 1:8 chance at having my daughter be a downs child. I was so scared but as it grew on me I knew I could handle it and welcomed the child no matter what. Then I found out she didn't have it. It didn't matter, I would have loved my child however she was born. :bawl:
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Abandoning "Inconvenient" children (Especially those born with disabilities) is much more of a liberal thing to do than a conservative thing.
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Abandoning "Inconvenient" children (Especially those born with disabilities) is much more of a liberal thing to do than a conservative thing.
Of course, now the liberal thing to do is just kill them before they are born.
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Abandoning "Inconvenient" children (Especially those born with disabilities) is much more of a liberal thing to do than a conservative thing.
Barry owebuma was very inconvenient to his mother apparently. She had no problem abandoning him.
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Vesta what makes you think this story is true? What 5 year old would 1)lurk and listen to an adult conversation when there were other children to play with, 2) remember this one conversation among probably hundreds the parents and their friends had and 3)why would something that would have absolutely NO meaning to a 5 year old (show me a 5 year old even now, let alone back then who understand the concept of downs syndrome unless they have a sibling and live with it) because they'd have no understanding of what the hell the parents were talking about, leave such a long lasting impression on a child. It's kinda like the "Heather Has Two Mommies" thing. Heather would understand it and it would be her "normal" but kids in her class who only knew her as a school acquaintance would have no concept of what it meant and, as it would have no bearing on their young lives, they wouldn't even think about it.
Cindie
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I thought that was how leftists were made, drop 'em off in New York or San Fran and they will be assimilated into the local occupado group.