It should be 9-0 to shitcan the whole thing, but I voted for 6-3 to trash it, yet I'm worried that it may stand.
6 to 3. Even if they only do away with the mandate, that would effectively disable the whole monstrosity.
5-4 and it's all tossed out.
And that will start the Liberal calls for impeaching the 5 that voted to toss it out or for Obama to fire them.
Led by the MSM, until someone actually bothers to show them the Constitution. Then they'll start digging.
At which point, Issa starts digging into why Kagan didn't recuse, in violation of federal law.
1. Is there a federal law regarding Supreme Court justices recusing themselves, or 2. is it only USSC rules that are involved?
The Supremes are normally very cautious about overstepping the question presented, it therefore seems unlikely to me they'd toss it all. Even if the provision tossed makes the entire house of cards collapse, they basically regard that as a problem for Congress to solve, not them. I think it'll be 5-4 to toss the single provision, but it is also quite possible for Obama to win this one 5-4, too.
None taken, but I had to read a lot of Supreme Court cases getting that JD cum laude and then an LLM. There is a culture of its own the Court follows in these matters, and that is the basis of my guess, but it is certainly possible they will step away from their normal judicial conservatism in a particular case...Obama's attempts to demonize and intimidate them with his BS about it being 'Unprecedented' and other shenanigans may alienate some of the centrists to the point of wanting to see him put him in his place.
Also, there's the severability issue.
That would be the vehicle to get rid of it all, or most of it, if the mandate fails, but other parts of it like the coverage of pre-existing conditions and coverage of single kids to age 26 really are independent of the whole mandate/penalty issue in every logical and fiscal way...whether those are really in the Federal government's power rather than the States' is a legitimate Constitutional question, but not the one that was presented for decision.
****! Mandate survives as a tax..I as worried this would happen :thatsright: They changed what it's called..**** ****
Completely unexpected expansion of govt power where the court itself changes an unconstitutional law to make it constitutional.
Oh hear let me help you Obama..you can't penalize people but you can tax them by the same amount :censored: :censored: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Time to get Romney in to blast this shit out the water
I expected them to split the baby in some way or other, it's a little bizarre that they validated the mandate as a tax after the Administration specifically disavowed that basis in their argument.
Anyone think Roberts did this to force O into a broken promise, specifically not to raise any taxes on anyone who makes under $200K?
Even if he was, it's the wrong damn decision. Where does the fed's power stop now? How long before a law is passed that requires you to buy a Volt or pay higher taxes? Convert your house to solar? How long until they require us to submit grocery receipts to prove we buy healthy food?
That part would would only apply to people who used their own earned money to purchase food. No reciepts required if it is EBT money.
That seems to be the size of it. Those getting money from others are held to no standard and those paying their own way are held to the highest of standards for spending their own damn money. Sad.
It's a great ploy. The people that make money will be taxed out of it, and then we will level down with the people that haven't been making money and depend on the govt. People need to be on notice, this is what apathy and self-involvement gets you. Stop living in your I-phone app bubble, and see what the hell is going on around you! Get your ass out and vote. Do something!
(Rant not directed at you, jty, just general pop and all.)
I thought you were bitchslapping my iphone facebook updates :lmao:
JK--i agree with everything you've said here. Like I said, what this does is destroy the middle class more. For all their class envy, the ones that are middle class are taxing themselves right into a lower financial reality since all of this isn't going to put them in a higher financial reality that's for sure.
Hi5. I would never BS you. :-)
Hi 5 for being sweet and we better run before all the grumblers give us BS's for being chipper :-)
Too Late. One BS each for being chipper...
It's a great ploy. The people that make money will be taxed out of it, and then we will level down with the people that haven't been making money and depend on the govt. People need to be on notice, this is what apathy and self-involvement gets you. Stop living in your I-phone app bubble, and see what the hell is going on around you! Get your ass out and vote. Do something!Hey! I love my "iphone app bubble" :banghead: it's comfy and cozy inside here where that vixen Siri tells me everything and does everything for me! :-)
(Rant not directed at you, jty, just general pop and all.)
Hey! I love my "iphone app bubble" :banghead: it's comfy and cozy inside here where that vixen Siri tells me everything and does everything for me! :-)
Hey! I love my "iphone app bubble" :banghead: it's comfy and cozy inside here where that vixen Siri tells me everything and does everything for me! :-)
Question: How will the USSC rule on Obama Care?