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Title: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: BlueStateSaint on June 15, 2012, 09:39:41 AM
Oh boy.  It's on Drudge, as the headline.  My lovely wife alerted me to it just now.

But, it's also an AP story, so all I'm going to give is the link.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_IMMIGRATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-15-09-36-35
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: DefiantSix on June 15, 2012, 09:43:51 AM
The worst part of this is that he's doing this by executive order.  Completely bypassing the legislature, and pulling most of the teeth out of SCOTUS's forthcoming ruling on Arizona's SB-1070.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: thundley4 on June 15, 2012, 09:55:31 AM
The worst part of this is that he's doing this by executive order.  Completely bypassing the legislature, and pulling most of the teeth out of SCOTUS's forthcoming ruling on Arizona's SB-1070.

If SCOTUS upholds Arizona's law, then Arizona should give every illegal arrested a one-way ticket to Washington, DC.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: BlueStateSaint on June 15, 2012, 10:06:57 AM
The worst part of this is that he's doing this by executive order.  Completely bypassing the legislature, and pulling most of the teeth out of SCOTUS's forthcoming ruling on Arizona's SB-1070.

What goes around, comes around. :fuelfire:

And, it will.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Gina on June 15, 2012, 10:24:19 AM
The worst part of this is that he's doing this by executive order.  Completely bypassing the legislature, and pulling most of the teeth out of SCOTUS's forthcoming ruling on Arizona's SB-1070.

ROMNEY needs to use this and hammer away with it. 

"See?  this man thinks he owns you, can make your decisions him and him alone."
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Danglars on June 15, 2012, 10:47:57 AM
The worst part of this is that he's doing this by executive order.  Completely bypassing the legislature, and pulling most of the teeth out of SCOTUS's forthcoming ruling on Arizona's SB-1070.

Mark this day on your calendar: June 15, 2012. Historians will mark this day as the day the United States became a dictatorship.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Gina on June 15, 2012, 10:54:19 AM
In an already tough economy for AMERICANS to get jobs this idiot is going to flood the jobs sector with more job seekers?
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Danglars on June 15, 2012, 11:14:02 AM
In an already tough economy for AMERICANS to get jobs this idiot is going to flood the jobs sector with more job seekers?

Absolutely revolting that Obama's dictatorship is now allowing these criminals to compete on an equal footing with American citizens for the same jobs--hell, they're probably even favored as a "disadvantaged minority." I actually feel nauseated.

And I wonder when the Hispanics who ARE here legally are going to realize that this is no help to them! Fools.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: thundley4 on June 15, 2012, 11:15:29 AM
In an already tough economy for AMERICANS to get jobs this idiot is going to flood the jobs sector with more job seekers?

Job seekers that are will to work at reduced wages, no less.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Lacarnut on June 15, 2012, 11:18:03 AM
Another desperate move to win reelection. There will be many more. Nothing will surprise me that this POS will do. Let's keep our eye on the ball. Defeating Obama will be easy if the economy, jobs, debt and taxes are the main issues. Exec. orders can be revoked when Romney is Prez.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: cavegal on June 15, 2012, 11:25:50 AM
This is  extremely depressing. 
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: DefiantSix on June 15, 2012, 11:26:59 AM
Another desperate move to win reelection. There will be many more. Nothing will surprise me that this POS will do. Let's keep our eye on the ball. Defeating Obama will be easy if the economy, jobs, debt and taxes are the main issues. Exec. orders can be revoked when Romney is Prez.

Actually it does another thing as well. It gives Obama a group of people who are (not quite) citizens, who have (not quite) full benefits of citizenship, that Obama can get to rally to him under the mantra of being "second class citizens".  This is just another class warfare move from the class warfare game grand master.  

Whatever it takes to keep Americans divided and too busy squabbling with one another to bother with him "fundamentally transforming America".

 :ranton:
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Ptarmigan on June 15, 2012, 11:30:35 AM
Another desperate move to win reelection. There will be many more. Nothing will surprise me that this POS will do. Let's keep our eye on the ball. Defeating Obama will be easy if the economy, jobs, debt and taxes are the main issues. Exec. orders can be revoked when Romney is Prez.

I bet Obama is going to forgive all college and mortgage debt.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Gina on June 15, 2012, 11:32:56 AM
I would be pissed off if I was a 31+ yr old illegal.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: DefiantSix on June 15, 2012, 11:40:00 AM
I would be pissed off if I was a 31+ yr old illegal.

If you are an illegal, and by definition have no identity documentation of your own, and you look in the 18 - 30 range (whether you're actually 17, 31 or 38 years old), just how in the hell are they going to prove that you aren't covered by Dear Leader's edict from On High?
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: njpines on June 15, 2012, 11:41:52 AM
I bet Obama is going to forgive all college and mortgage debt.

This is exactly what Rush is predicting on his show today!
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: JohnnyReb on June 15, 2012, 11:49:08 AM
25+ years ago R. Reagan signed a bill passed by a democrat legislature that made illegals legal...and that opened the flood gates for the situation we have today.

This will just make more of them flood into the U.S.A..

Obama is a bastard.

Col. West is OK in my book.

...and Chuck Schumer is also a bastard.

And just incase some illegals are viewing this...when Obama and crowd are through using you to destroy the USA, it won't bother them at all to kill all of you useful fools.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Danglars on June 15, 2012, 12:23:09 PM
Actually it does another thing as well. It gives Obama a group of people who are (not quite) citizens, who have (not quite) full benefits of citizenship, that Obama can get to rally to him under the mantra of being "second class citizens".  This is just another class warfare move from the class warfare game grand master.  

Whatever it takes to keep Americans divided and too busy squabbling with one another to bother with him "fundamentally transforming America".

 :ranton:

He'll get them resgistered and voting somehow, too.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Kyle Ricky on June 15, 2012, 12:26:01 PM
I would like to see my college loans be wiped clean. But it still won't make me vote for the moron.

As for the illegals, there are what, 800,000? That is 800,000 more votes he will get.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Danglars on June 15, 2012, 12:26:56 PM
I bet Obama is going to forgive all college and mortgage debt.

How can he do that? I mean, the banks are just going to meekly forgive mortgages? Write off every loan they have? Doesn't seem possible.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: obumazombie on June 15, 2012, 12:29:46 PM
How can he do that? I mean, the banks are just going to meekly forgive mortgages? Write off every loan they have? Doesn't seem possible.
He's doing it to fulfill Peggy Joseph. The next step is putting gas in her car so she won't have to worry about that either.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Kyle Ricky on June 15, 2012, 12:32:10 PM
How can he do that? I mean, the banks are just going to meekly forgive mortgages? Write off every loan they have? Doesn't seem possible.

He will pay the banks with the tax payers money. Or he will get another monstrous loan from China.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: jendf on June 15, 2012, 12:47:47 PM
If SCOTUS upholds Arizona's law, then Arizona should give every illegal arrested a one-way ticket to Washington, DC.

Arpaio has already told Obama to stuff it this morning. He's going to continue to enforce the law.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Kyle Ricky on June 15, 2012, 12:50:39 PM
Arpaio has already told Obama to stuff it this morning. He's going to continue to enforce the law.


I applaud him. The states should tell the POTUS to shove it when he tells them stop upholding a federal law. The same thing is happening in Florida with the voter purging. Rick Scott sued the Department of Homeland Security and the DOJ. This whole thing is because they don't want to offend illegals and need their vote for Obama to get re-elected.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: DefiantSix on June 15, 2012, 12:57:33 PM
I applaud him. The states should tell the POTUS to shove it when he tells them stop upholding a federal law. The same thing is happening in Florida with the voter purging. Rick Scott sued the Department of Homeland Security and the DOJ. This whole thing is because they don't want to offend illegals and need their vote for Obama to get re-elected.

Unfortunately, under current SOP, state and local LEO agencies who arrest illegals typically hand them over to ICE - a FEDERAL AGENCY - for deportation proceedings.  With one swipe of his damned pen, he's just told all federal LEO agencies that they're no longer to ACCEPT illegals who can say "29 years old", because who the hell can prove they AREN'T under 30?

There are so many *******ed "unintended consequences" to this cluster****...  :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: thundley4 on June 15, 2012, 01:03:38 PM
Unfortunately, under current SOP, state and local LEO agencies who arrest illegals typically hand them over to ICE - a FEDERAL AGENCY - for deportation proceedings.  With one swipe of his damned pen, he's just told all federal LEO agencies that they're no longer to ACCEPT illegals who can say "29 years old", because who the hell can prove they AREN'T under 30?

There are so many *******ed "unintended consequences" to this cluster****...  :banghead: :banghead:

Sheriff Joe can build some new tent cities and house the illegals there, and claim that he is waiting on the federal government to do their job and take custody.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: DefiantSix on June 15, 2012, 01:05:02 PM
Sheriff Joe can build some new tent cities and house the illegals there, and claim that he is waiting on the federal government to do their job and take custody.
If Sheriff Joe is smart, he'll build this new tent city 2 miles inside the Mexican side of the border.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Danglars on June 15, 2012, 01:14:49 PM
If Sheriff Joe is smart, he'll build this new tent city 2 miles inside the Mexican side of the border.

Good way to get killed by drug gangs. Sheriff Joe is tough, but those guys are seriously heavily armed. They'd just kill him, sell any illegal women he might be housing, and either recruit or kill the men.

Before the Dem party went off the Left end, a President would have been impeached for this. This is full-on usurpation of Congressional power. He's simply rewritten the law to suit his twisted policy and political agenda.

It also pisses me off that the national political "conversation," as they say, has shifted entirely to the amnesty side. No one on our side is talking serious border enforcement AT ALL. Where was ENFORCEMENT in Rubio's NIGHTMARE Act?
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: NHSparky on June 15, 2012, 02:18:55 PM
I bet Obama is going to forgive all college and mortgage debt.

Christ, I wish.  And yes, that's sarcasm.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Danglars on June 15, 2012, 03:02:59 PM
 :banghead: Did you hear what that shit said? He said "I know it's temporary, that's why Congress has to act." The damned dictator! He is absolutely expecting Congress to rubber stamp his illegal usurpation into law! BASTARD!!!
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: miskie on June 15, 2012, 03:39:55 PM
And he aligned it perfectly with Time magazine.. Imagine that..... 

(http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/fn-latino/lifestyle/TIME%20Magazine%20Cover%20June.jpg)

Collusion between the media and the president ?? Naaaa.. Just a coincidence. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: thundley4 on June 15, 2012, 04:08:27 PM
:banghead: Did you hear what that shit said? He said "I know it's temporary, that's why Congress has to act." The damned dictator! He is absolutely expecting Congress to rubber stamp his illegal usurpation into law! BASTARD!!!

He wants a rubber stamp from congress, but he knows this won't pass the house, and President Romney had better undo it ASAP.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: DefiantSix on June 15, 2012, 04:11:23 PM
He wants a rubber stamp from congress, but he knows this won't pass the house, and President Romney had better undo it ASAP.

Actually, the only way I'm okay with this is that if Congress or the several states respond by passing harsh penalties for businesses who employ illegals.  I agree with The Won that we don't need to spend another damned dime on deporting 'em; we just have to make it impossible for them to profit from being here.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: thundley4 on June 15, 2012, 04:14:44 PM
Actually, the only way I'm okay with this is that if Congress or the several states respond by passing harsh penalties for businesses who employ illegals.  I agree with The Won that we don't need to spend another damned dime on deporting 'em; we just have to make it impossible for them to profit from being here.

That an't going to happen as long as there are blue states that cater more to illegals than they do citizens from other states.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: rich_t on June 15, 2012, 06:09:59 PM
He wants a rubber stamp from congress, but he knows this won't pass the house, and President Romney had better undo it ASAP.

I dunno.  That limp dick Bohner might be talked into pushing for it.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Evil_Conservative on June 15, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
I haven't read this whole thread yet, but I can tell you what REALLY pissed me off about Obama's speech today.

He said that these kids are dreamers and "it's not right" that they have to live in fear of deportation. 

I'd just like to say,

My daughter is a dreamer too, Obama.  And it's not right that you are spending her generation further into debt with such bullshit.  This is amnesty no matter which way you try to spin it.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: rich_t on June 15, 2012, 07:01:27 PM
I haven't read this whole thread yet, but I can tell you what REALLY pissed me off about Obama's speech today.

He said that these kids are dreamers and "it's not right" that they have to live in fear of deportation. 

I'd just like to say,

My daughter is a dreamer too, Obama.  And it's not right that you are spending her generation further into debt with such bullshit.  This is amnesty no matter which way you try to spin it.

Bingo.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: mrclose on June 15, 2012, 08:53:23 PM
If my parents break into your house to give me my dream of home ownership .. should I be allowed to stay?

Send the damn ILLEGAL parents home and their kids packing with them!
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Evil_Conservative on June 15, 2012, 09:37:05 PM
If my parents break into your house to give me my dream of home ownership .. should I be allowed to stay?

Send the damn ILLEGAL parents home and their kids packing with them!

Sounds fair.  I'll break into one of the millionaire's homes here and just stay, because damn it, it's just not right to kick me out.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: obumazombie on June 15, 2012, 09:38:01 PM
Sounds fair.  I'll break into one of the millionaire's homes here and just stay, because damn it, it's just not right to kick me out.
I keep thinking Bill Gates should steal my identity, and let me borrow his.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: sybilll on June 16, 2012, 01:41:10 AM
I think this was THE stupidest move he has made to date.  He already had most of the Hispanic vote, now he is pissing off the millions of unemployed between the age of 15 - 30, telling them they have to compete with illegal aliens?  I know they work in a lot of lower level jobs, but the best example I can think of is North Dakota.  They are willing to train potential workers that will relocate, and accept the terms of long, hard workdays.  Those jobs pay over $100,000 per year.  I actually have a friend that is so desperate for work that he is considering relocating there.  He has a wife and 2 kids to support.  To think that an illegal alien can have the same shot at the job as does is repulsive. 
Also, do they get discrimination rights now?  Will they get ObamaCare if we can't kill it? (They'd have gotten it for free anyway).  Do they get accomodations under the Americans With Disabilities Act because of their inability to speak English, and will the prospective employer have to pay for English as a 2nd language, or face being sued?  Will the employer have to direct deposit the paychecks to banks in Mexico? I could go on and on.
 For simplification I generalized about the "undocumented workers" as Hispanics, but I fully recognize we have illegal aliens from countless countries here. 
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: obumazombie on June 16, 2012, 02:21:25 AM
The vast majority of illegals are mexican nationals.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: NHSparky on June 16, 2012, 07:58:33 AM
And pulls this shit on a Friday, no less--and yes, kids, there's a reason why he did it on Friday too.

While MOST illegals are Hispanics, not all are.  Go to South Boston and throw a rock and you'll hit about a dozen illegal Irish, too.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: JohnnyReb on June 16, 2012, 09:32:47 AM
I've just been contemplating all the advantages of giving up my American citizenship. Hell, they can't deport me to my country of origin, I'm already there.
And then the democrats will think I need welfare, Soc. Sec., free housing, free food, free healthcare, better than citizenship treatment.....damn I hope the DUmmies don't get this idea. We'll never get rid of them.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Evil_Conservative on June 16, 2012, 09:46:37 AM
I've just been contemplating all the advantages of giving up my American citizenship. Hell, they can't deport me to my country of origin, I'm already there.
And then the democrats will think I need welfare, Soc. Sec., free housing, free food, free healthcare, better than citizenship treatment.....damn I hope the DUmmies don't get this idea. We'll never get rid of them.

I could renounce my citizenship, go down to Mexico, sneak back over the border and have a better American live than I do now.. I am 28 years old, so I fall under Obama's amnesty too.  It's really sad.  I thought about it yesterday when this was going on, why do I even bother working?  But then I told myself we only have five more months.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Freeper on June 16, 2012, 10:05:57 AM
I could renounce my citizenship, go down to Mexico, sneak back over the border and have a better American live than I do now.. I am 28 years old, so I fall under Obama's amnesty too.  It's really sad.  I thought about it yesterday when this was going on, why do I even bother working?  But then I told myself we only have five more months.

Lord, I hope so. I can't imagine what another 4 years with this clown will do to us. Even if we take the Senate and keep the House and he stays in, he will just bypass them and do what he wants. If I thought he could figure out how to get away with it I would say that he will bypass the term limits and make himself preezy for life.  :banghead:

I'm begging everyone here even if you don't like Romney please consider holding your nose and voting for him.
Title: Re: AP sources: Immunity offered to certain immigrants
Post by: Danglars on June 17, 2012, 07:45:38 AM
I haven't read this whole thread yet, but I can tell you what REALLY pissed me off about Obama's speech today.

He said that these kids are dreamers and "it's not right" that they have to live in fear of deportation. 

I'd just like to say,

My daughter is a dreamer too, Obama.  And it's not right that you are spending her generation further into debt with such bullshit.  This is amnesty no matter which way you try to spin it.

He was right, though. They shouldn't have to live in fear of being deported. They should be deported immediately, so they need no longer live in fear of it.