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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on June 13, 2012, 09:27:34 AM
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proud2BlibKansan (91,870 posts)
Man shot in road rage upset that prosecutor won’t file charges
A motorcyclist who was shot in the chest by a motorist during a road rage incident in O’Fallon, Mo., spoke out Tuesday, asking for a grand jury to hear the case and criticizing the St. Charles County prosecutor for not filing charges.
“But for the grace of God, I would be a dead man,†the motorcyclist, Keith Randell, 49, of St. Ann, said Tuesday, reading from a statement at his attorney’s office in Clayton.
“This is the result of an aggressive driver,†Randell said. “He chose to shoot me when he was not in fear of any serious injury.â€
St. Charles County prosecutor Jack Banas said Monday he would not file criminal charges against the motorist, adding the man was justified in shooting because the motorcyclist first reached into his car and punched him.
On Tuesday, Banas said his decision was final, unless police presented new evidence.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/13/3655984/man-shot-in-road-rage-upset-that.html#storylink=cpy
She's establishing case precedent for Zimmerman's defense.
Obviously she's a racist who hates Trayvon Martin because he's exactly the sort of young man that would make her cross the street if he was walking through her neighborhood at night.
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“But for the grace of God, I would be a dead man,†the motorcyclist, Keith Randell, 49, of St. Ann, said Tuesday, reading from a statement at his attorney’s office in Clayton.
“This is the result of an aggressive driver,†Randell said. “He chose to shoot me when he was not in fear of any serious injury.â€
Now this is funny. The shooter was a 65 year old man (Mr Setchfield) who had his wife and grandchild in the car when Mr Randell decided to approach and accost him. According to the article, the 65 year old man pulled his .380 and put it on his lap when the 49 year old man approached him in a rage. Words were exchanged, Mr Rendell spit on Mr Setchfield, Mr Setchfield spit back, Mr Rendell reached into the car window and punched him, Mr Setchfield put a round into Mr Rendell's chest. Mr Setchfield dropped off his wife and grandchild, went to the police and turned himself in. According to the article, Mr Setchfield was within his rights (IAW Missouri's Castle Doctrine law) to ventilate Mr Rendell and Mr Rendell is very lucky to be alive. Had Mr Setchfield been carrying a .45 with Hydra-Shok rounds (my personal favorite "stop button"), Mr Rendell would not have thrown another traffic tantrum ever again.
I think that there are several lessons one can take from DUmmie proud2bstupid's post:
- Mr Setchfield needs to purchase a larger caliber handgun and appropriate self defense ammunition. When you yank a gun on somebody and pull the trigger, the only side of a story that should be left to tell is yours. If your assailant is dead and you terminated him according to the letter of the law, you most likely will not be liable for his hospital bills.
- Mr Rendell should take this encounter as a "come to Jesus" moment and reevaluate how he interacts with other citizens. Approaching a man in a vehicle that contains his flesh and blood, while in a rage, is never a good idea. Deciding to reach inside the vehicle and swing a fist is an even worse one. With the current self defense laws now swinging towards a citizen's right to protect themselves from bodily harm, you never know who is carrying the means to end your life and who is not. Giving civilized, decent citizens a legal green light to make the wind whistle through your torso is just plain stupid. Mr. Rendell is lucky all he ended up with was two broken ribs.
- Like NHSparky says: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If your aggression provokes someone to shoot you, don't whine about it like a bitch; like you were the one wronged. Don't be an impulsive ass, think twice before you open your mouth, count to 10 if you are angry, realize that if you are on a motorcycle you need to look at other drivers like they don't know you are there, and (last but not least) don't ever threaten an old man - if he decides that he can't go toe to toe with you, he'll just shoot you.
- Proud2bretarded should be more careful when posting articles that clearly demonstrate why Castle Doctrine and SYG laws were enacted lest she fall victim to $kinner's gestapo.
Did I miss anything?
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Did I miss anything?
Nope
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Now this is funny. The shooter was a 65 year old man (Mr Setchfield) who had his wife and grandchild in the car when Mr Randell decided to approach and accost him. According to the article, the 65 year old man pulled his .380 and put it on his lap when the 49 year old man approached him in a rage. Words were exchanged, Mr Rendell spit on Mr Setchfield, Mr Setchfield spit back, Mr Rendell reached into the car window and punched him, Mr Setchfield put a round into Mr Rendell's chest. Mr Setchfield dropped off his wife and grandchild, went to the police and turned himself in. According to the article, Mr Setchfield was within his rights (IAW Missouri's Castle Doctrine law) to ventilate Mr Rendell and Mr Rendell is very lucky to be alive. Had Mr Setchfield been carrying a .45 with Hydra-Shok rounds (my personal favorite "stop button"), Mr Rendell would not have thrown another traffic tantrum ever again.
I think that there are several lessons one can take from DUmmie proud2bstupid's post:
- Mr Setchfield needs to purchase a larger caliber handgun and appropriate self defense ammunition. When you yank a gun on somebody and pull the trigger, the only side of a story that should be left to tell is yours. If your assailant is dead and you terminated him according to the letter of the law, you most likely will not be liable for his hospital bills.
- Mr Rendell should take this encounter as a "come to Jesus" moment and reevaluate how he interacts with other citizens. Approaching a man in a vehicle that contains his flesh and blood, while in a rage, is never a good idea. Deciding to reach inside the vehicle and swing a fist is an even worse one. With the current self defense laws now swinging towards a citizen's right to protect themselves from bodily harm, you never know who is carrying the means to end your life and who is not. Giving civilized, decent citizens a legal green light to make the wind whistle through your torso is just plain stupid. Mr. Rendell is lucky all he ended up with was two broken ribs.
- Like NHSparky says: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If your aggression provokes someone to shoot you, don't whine about it like a bitch; like you were the one wronged. Don't be an impulsive ass, think twice before you open your mouth, count to 10 if you are angry, realize that if you are on a motorcycle you need to look at other drivers like they don't know you are there, and (last but not least) don't ever threaten an old man - if he decides that he can't go toe to toe with you, he'll just shoot you.
- Proud2bretarded should be more careful when posting articles that clearly demonstrate why Castle Doctrine and SYG laws were enacted lest she fall victim to $kinner's gestapo.
Did I miss anything?
VENTILATE? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: That is great!
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VENTILATE? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: That is great!
You quoted his entire post just for that?
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You quoted his entire post just for that?
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:bird:
Are you sure you're a redhead?
I think you might actually be a blonde who had a bad run of luck with a can of spray paint.
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Nope
Oh, good. :-)
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Now this is funny. The shooter was a 65 year old man (Mr Setchfield) who had his wife and grandchild in the car when Mr Randell decided to approach and accost him. According to the article, the 65 year old man pulled his .380 and put it on his lap when the 49 year old man approached him in a rage. Words were exchanged, Mr Rendell spit on Mr Setchfield, Mr Setchfield spit back, Mr Rendell reached into the car window and punched him, Mr Setchfield put a round into Mr Rendell's chest. Mr Setchfield dropped off his wife and grandchild, went to the police and turned himself in. According to the article, Mr Setchfield was within his rights (IAW Missouri's Castle Doctrine law) to ventilate Mr Rendell and Mr Rendell is very lucky to be alive. Had Mr Setchfield been carrying a .45 with Hydra-Shok rounds (my personal favorite "stop button"), Mr Rendell would not have thrown another traffic tantrum ever again.
I think that there are several lessons one can take from DUmmie proud2bstupid's post:
- Mr Setchfield needs to purchase a larger caliber handgun and appropriate self defense ammunition. When you yank a gun on somebody and pull the trigger, the only side of a story that should be left to tell is yours. If your assailant is dead and you terminated him according to the letter of the law, you most likely will not be liable for his hospital bills.
- Mr Rendell should take this encounter as a "come to Jesus" moment and reevaluate how he interacts with other citizens. Approaching a man in a vehicle that contains his flesh and blood, while in a rage, is never a good idea. Deciding to reach inside the vehicle and swing a fist is an even worse one. With the current self defense laws now swinging towards a citizen's right to protect themselves from bodily harm, you never know who is carrying the means to end your life and who is not. Giving civilized, decent citizens a legal green light to make the wind whistle through your torso is just plain stupid. Mr. Rendell is lucky all he ended up with was two broken ribs.
- Like NHSparky says: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If your aggression provokes someone to shoot you, don't whine about it like a bitch; like you were the one wronged. Don't be an impulsive ass, think twice before you open your mouth, count to 10 if you are angry, realize that if you are on a motorcycle you need to look at other drivers like they don't know you are there, and (last but not least) don't ever threaten an old man - if he decides that he can't go toe to toe with you, he'll just shoot you.
- Proud2bretarded should be more careful when posting articles that clearly demonstrate why Castle Doctrine and SYG laws were enacted lest she fall victim to $kinner's gestapo.
Did I miss anything?
Not that I can see. As to your first bullet point (yeah, I know), that new Hornady Critical Defense round in .380 ACP would probably have killed the assailant. BTW--H5 for the synopsis.
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VENTILATE? :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: That is great!
Is it as good as "insipid twat"?
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Is it as good as "insipid twat"?
Nothing is better than that title.
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They're arguing over the details of the case:
slackmaster (53,382 posts)
9. "...the motorcyclist first reached into his car and punched him...."
Details, details.
MadHound (31,169 posts)
10. More details,
The motorist was deliberately trying to run the cyclist wife off the road.
leftyohiolib (1,196 posts)
11. deliberately? the driver wasnt very smart in revealing that
MadHound (31,169 posts)
12. There were witnesses who said it looked like a deliberate action
Which wouldn't surprise me at all. St. Charles county has a history of people messing with anything on two wheels.
Romulox (20,426 posts)
30. The proper response is to call the police, then. You don't get to beat people in revenge.
Similarly, "self defense" requires an imminent danger, not one just passed.
And yet, no one has made the connection on how this parallels the Zimmerman case.
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Are you sure you're a redhead?
I think you might actually be a blonde who had a bad run of luck with a can of spray paint.
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1272/699614079_d4998d7e48_z.jpg?zz=1)
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Not that I can see. As to your first bullet point (yeah, I know), that new Hornady Critical Defense round in .380 ACP would probably have killed the assailant.
Not familiar with that one. I prefer .45 since I've seen what it can do up close and personal and Hydra-Shok seems (at least to me) to be a good self defense round.
BTW--H5 for the synopsis.
Thanks! :-)
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Not familiar with that one. I prefer .45 since I've seen what it can do up close and personal and Hydra-Shok seems (at least to me) to be a good self defense round.
Thanks! :-)
Yep, my personal favorites are Hydra shok and Speer Gold dots for my long lost P220 and P229.
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Somebody was wondering why the dummies weren't outraged by this. Although I couldn't find a racial identifier in the articles, you have to assume ventilatee was of the Caucasian persuasion. Everybody knows african Americans don't ride motorcycles or swim.
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Somebody was wondering why the dummies weren't outraged by this. Although I couldn't find a racial identifier in the articles, you have to assume ventilatee was of the Caucasian persuasion. Everybody knows african Americans don't ride motorcycles or swim.
Huh? I see lots of black people riding motorcycles here, most are Harleys . I even saw a black woman riding solo a few weeks ago but that is a rare sight.
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Huh? I see lots of black people riding motorcycles here, most are Harleys . I even saw a black woman riding solo a few weeks ago but that is a rare sight.
HAH!!! but you admit that they don't swim. (do I need a sarc tag)
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HAH!!! but you admit that they don't swim. (do I need a sarc tag)
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HAH!!! but you admit that they don't swim. (do I need a sarc tag)
The public pools here would prove that wrong too. Well, sort of, most of them just stand around in the pool.
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The public pools here would prove that wrong too. Well, sort of, most of them just stand around in the pool.
OK, I guess I have to clear this up. You see, I was trying to sarcastically demonstrate their fantastical view of conservative racists.
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OK, I guess I have to clear this up. You see, I was trying to sarcastically demonstrate their fantastical view of conservative racists.
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(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1272/699614079_d4998d7e48_z.jpg?zz=1)
She's not very good at remembering insults...
...so she writes them on her ankles.
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Don't worry about it. You appear to be a literallist and, as such, you may have sensed my real secret. I suffer from nanosophobia. Well, that's not literally true since nanosophobia is the abnormal fear of all "little" people. I want to be perfectly clear that I have absolutely no problem with midgets, some of my best friends are midgets. However Dwarfs are another matter entirely. Rest assured, I feel terrible about this unreasonable and abnormal phobia I bear. I have sought professional help but that was a disaster as the therapist insisted on delving into my perfectly normal sexual proclivities. I commend you on your ability to sense the flaw in my character or,so to speak, chink in my armor.
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She's not very good at remembering insults...
...so she writes them on her ankles.
:fuelfire: :rotf:
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And yet, no one has made the connection on how this parallels the Zimmerman case.
Is the motorist a Black man? How about the motorcyclist? Is he a minority? No?
No racism to be inferred here. Case Closed.
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Don't worry about it. You appear to be a literallist and, as such, you may have sensed my real secret. I suffer from nanosophobia. Well, that's not literally true since nanosophobia is the abnormal fear of all "little" people. I want to be perfectly clear that I have absolutely no problem with midgets, some of my best friends are midgets. However Dwarfs are another matter entirely. Rest assured, I feel terrible about this unreasonable and abnormal phobia I bear. I have sought professional help but that was a disaster as the therapist insisted on delving into my perfectly normal sexual proclivities. I commend you on your ability to sense the flaw in my character or,so to speak, chink in my armor.
I see nothing wrong with this, I must say I fear Clowns but only after reading Stephen King and about John Wayne Gassy.
I am curious to know where you meet Midgets, do they have their own bar and counter culture ? Do Dwarfs and Midgets mix together, why do you fear a Dwarf but not a midget ??
You say you fear ALL little people so that means you have a severe handicap, cannot live near a school or visit a mall.
Not to be nosey but how much do you get for disability from the Government.
Sex here, no problem with Midgets, OOOOO, sounds of pedophilia. Some things I best not think about. How ever since we are talking sex, there have been a time or two I have checked out my lawn Gnomes and wondered what they had under their britches.
You like them little, I like them big, strange how taste evolves. My taste runs to money, not what they have but what they can save me.
Here in New England with our cold winters and the price of heating oil, I appreciate a Big man, one that sweats allot and when the bedroom gets to 20 degrees keeps the bed warm.
To go a step further, I have spent 50 years looking for a one legged fat man. Perfect man for me, only because he would be so greatfull.
Hell of a note, I keep pushing the carbohydrates into hubby, and he has gained weight but I still have no idea how to get rid of one of his legs.
Here the DU thinks they have problems, life as a Conservative is not all roses and fun, darn it we have our problems too.
Nice to meet you Bad Dog, ------Regards Vesta
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Quote from vesta...
"John Wayne Gassy"
Does he eat a lot of beans ?
By the way, I'm not sure this establishes any precedent or case law that would apply to the Zimmerman case. In order for case law to be a precedent, it has to become a final adjudication. As this case was dismissed before trial it will never appear on case records.
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I see nothing wrong with this, I must say I fear Clowns but only after reading Stephen King and about John Wayne Gassy.
I am curious to know where you meet Midgets, do they have their own bar and counter culture ? Do Dwarfs and Midgets mix together, why do you fear a Dwarf but not a midget ??
You say you fear ALL little people so that means you have a severe handicap, cannot live near a school or visit a mall.
Not to be nosey but how much do you get for disability from the Government.
Sex here, no problem with Midgets, OOOOO, sounds of pedophilia. Some things I best not think about. How ever since we are talking sex, there have been a time or two I have checked out my lawn Gnomes and wondered what they had under their britches.
You like them little, I like them big, strange how taste evolves. My taste runs to money, not what they have but what they can save me.
Here in New England with our cold winters and the price of heating oil, I appreciate a Big man, one that sweats allot and when the bedroom gets to 20 degrees keeps the bed warm.
To go a step further, I have spent 50 years looking for a one legged fat man. Perfect man for me, only because he would be so greatfull.
Hell of a note, I keep pushing the carbohydrates into hubby, and he has gained weight but I still have no idea how to get rid of one of his legs.
Here the DU thinks they have problems, life as a Conservative is not all roses and fun, darn it we have our problems too.
Nice to meet you Bad Dog, ------Regards Vesta
You misunderstand, I don't fear all small people but, there is no separate term for the fear of dwarfs. I'm pretty neutral about children unless they are annoying. Which they often seem to be.
Excuse me, but, as I am new to this board, I'm a little shy about discussing things of a sexual nature. I'm not being critical of those who would but, I don't feel comfortable yet.
I do try to avoid gnomes at all times as I also suffer from gnomophobia which, I believe may be related to my nanosophobia. Gnomes do bear a strong resemblance to dwarfs although, not as aggressive.
I have never contemplated disability as it is pretty easy to avoid dwarfs and gnomes.
As to your leg problem, and since you mentioned King, you might review "Misery" and simply substitute an axe for the sledge hammer.
Nice to meet you too
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What about sprites, and artesians ?
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What about sprites, and artesians ?
I very much like sprites, artesians and certain types of fairies ..if you get my drift.
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I very much like sprites, artesians and certain types of fairies ..if you get my drift.
Gremlins ? And not the hollywooded type, REAL gremlins ?
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Gremlins ? And not the hollywooded type, REAL gremlins ?
Worst piece of crap AMC ever built.
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Worst piece of crap AMC ever built.
Quit saying that. We never would have had Wayne's World !
Or was that a pacer ? If it was, then nevermind !
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Don't worry about it. You appear to be a literallist and, as such, you may have sensed my real secret. I suffer from nanosophobia. Well, that's not literally true since nanosophobia is the abnormal fear of all "little" people. I want to be perfectly clear that I have absolutely no problem with midgets, some of my best friends are midgets. However Dwarfs are another matter entirely. Rest assured, I feel terrible about this unreasonable and abnormal phobia I bear. I have sought professional help but that was a disaster as the therapist insisted on delving into my perfectly normal sexual proclivities. I commend you on your ability to sense the flaw in my character or,so to speak, chink in my armor.
Fear of "dwarfs"?
Nadin must scare the crap out of you! :lmao:
(Me, too!) :runaway:
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Fear of "dwarfs"?
Nadin must scare the crap out of you! :lmao:
(Me, too!) :runaway:
The very reason I will Never visit Ireland. There are sworn affidavits from most of the country's people that they have SEEN with their own these little folk that live in the woods. Little green men and woman that will steal your chickens.
Here in America the kids worry about that little guy that will steal their lucky Charms breakfast.
Worse is that Movie from the 1980"s---???? about a Leprechaun that was a serial Killer.
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Quit saying that. We never would have had Wayne's World!
Or was that a pacer ? If it was, then nevermind!
Oh now, American Motors' Gremlin wasn't all that bad.
My first car was a Gremlin, 1974, six years old when I got it.
The only mishap I ever had with it was one time when the roommates and I were going to throw a party, and we used the Gremlin to pick up the 32-gallon keg of Falstaff beer. Once the keg was slipped in the back, I slammed down the rear window, shattering it to pieces on the edge of the not-quite-in-far-enough keg.
It was one of those rear windows that also had the heating-wires embedded in it, for winter, and replacement would've been expensive. I had a guy take a thick piece of plexiglass and cut it to fit inside the frame, and problem solved; it looked good as new.
Among routine problems, the oil valve cover gasket had only four bolts, which meant the oil valve cover gasket was always blowing out, spewing oil all over the engine. I had to have that replaced, I dunno, maybe eight times the four years I owned the vehicle.
Another of the routine problems was that the clutch always went out after circa 2000 miles; I'd learned to drive using a clutch, and can handle a clutch very adeptly, thank you, but the problem was some "figure 8" thingamajig through which two rods of the clutch passed, was made of cheap plastic, instead of metal, and so it broke frequently.
If I'd been older and wiser, I probably would've had someone fashion the "figure 8" thingamajig out of metal, but I was young and green yet, and had the means then, to pay the circa $150 (in early 1980s dollars) every time.
No motor vehicle is maintenance-free.
I rather enjoyed that Gremlin; it always got me to where I wanted to go.
The American Motors's Pacer, on the other hand, looked silly, like a pregnant egg or something.
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Oh now, American Motors' Gremlin wasn't all that bad.
My first car was a Gremlin, 1974, six years old when I got it.
(snip)
The American Motors's Pacer, on the other hand, looked silly, like a pregnant egg or something.
Pot meet kettle.