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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on June 06, 2012, 10:20:39 AM
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GarroHorus (96 posts)
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Walker won 36% of Union voters
Huffington Post is my source for this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/wisconsin-recall-vote_n_1572662.html
This begs a question.
If more than one-third of Union voters are unwilling to vote in favor of Unions, why should non-Union voters care about Unions any more?
We've infiltrated your sacred unions.
Look at what happened to the WI teachers union. They lost over half of their members when dues became voluntary.
shcrane71 (995 posts)
1. Don't believe everything you read in the US media.
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The election was rigged. There needs to be an investigation.
I think that Skimmer should start a "Stolen election" section. He can put it next to the 9-11 trufers.
Chipper Chat (5,477 posts)
4. I concur.
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That's like saying "36% of US gays to vote for Romney in November."
Isn't there a thread about that somewhere?
Mayflower1 (62 posts)
28. Maybe those same exit polls are wrong about Obama winning too ?
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Obviously, they were wrong about Barrett winning.
cali (71,490 posts)
22. every freakin' time we lose an election, someone says it was stolen
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it's pathetic to make that claim with zero evidence.
Not one to make baseless claims!!! If you didn't, you'd still have a job.
exboyfil (2,122 posts)
35. Some observations from a private sector employee
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A private sector wage worker (union or non-union) has more in common with a private sector engineer or middle manager than a public sector union member. Public sector union members can collectively bargain for jobs for services that are mandated by the state Constitution. A private sector wage worker has no such protection - their jobs can go away whenever the private sector closes it down (lack of sales, outsourcing, leaner competitor, etc).
In spite of the arguments I see on this board at least in our area the public sector total benefits package is starting to exceed the private sector equivalent.
In general the 36% are seeing public sector wage and benefit packages that are superior to their own while they are paying a large percentage of their income in taxes. While most of our wage employees do not have bachelor's degrees, they are skilled workers with considerable technical training. They probably view themselves as equivalent to teachers, and they know how valuable low deductible secure health insurance is worth.
That is why I can see 36% of union workers voting for Walker. Please don't flame me - I am merely stating what I see as their reasoning. I am not in a union (I am a technical worker), but this is what I hear from my union coworkers.
edhopper (5,259 posts)
12. I was in a Union
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you'd be surprised how many Union people are Repugs who don't see how much the Unions have given them. The are many who buy into the right wing bullshit about greedy lazy workers and those "minorities" living on the government tit.
Wrong.
You're referring to welfare queens.
Freddie Stubbs (27,883 posts)
16. Apparently not all union members sympathize with public employee unions
Roosevelt held the same position.
Mayflower1 (62 posts)
31. Did he have a choice to join the union?
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A lot of people who if given a choice, would not join the union. They are forced to and some resent that.
catbyte (1,573 posts)
40. They are morons.
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What do YOU think about unions? You seem a little bagger around the edges...
Uh-Oh...Caught.
jody (24,457 posts)
24. Don't confuse "public employee" union with "private employee" union
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Nationwide there are:
105 million, private-sector workers, 7% union
20 million, public-sector workers, 37% union
It's plausible that the 36% figure you cite might mostly be private-sector union members.
That figure is being reduced as we speak.
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Should we send a cruiser to Omaha Steve's house to do a welfare check? Dude has to be in the depths of sorrow. It's been a very bad year for the man. :bawl:
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shcrane71 (995 posts)
1. Don't believe everything you read in the US media.
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The election was rigged. There needs to be an investigation.
I wonder how much worse Walker would have beaten Barrett if the dems hadn't bussed in illegal voters.
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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #1)
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 09:10 AM
cali (71,503 posts)
22. every freakin' time we lose an election, someone says it was stolen
it's pathetic to make that claim with zero evidence.
Heh :lmao:
Response to GarroHorus (Original post)
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 09:07 AM
Freddie Stubbs (27,891 posts)
16. Apparently not all union members sympathize with public employee unions
Ya think?
Response to tjwash (Reply #17)
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 09:17 AM
Mayflower1 (66 posts)
31. Did he have a choice to join the union?
A lot of people who if given a choice, would not join the union. They are forced to and some resent that. at least 36% do
Therein lies the truth.
It would be fun to see Wisconsin vote in a right-to-work law. :fuelfire:
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edhopper (5,259 posts)
12. I was in a Union
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you'd be surprised how many Union people are Repugs who don't see how much the Unions have given them. The are many who buy into the right wing bullshit about greedy lazy workers and those "minorities" living on the government tit.
Given? Unions haven't "given" me shit. I was in an IBEW shop that played "work to rule" so hard it was amazing anything ever got done.
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When you make everyone join a union to keep their job, you end up with a lot of people in the union who didn't like being made to join to mainly see themselves being ripped off by the union for dues every payday.
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Given? Unions haven't "given" me shit. I was in an IBEW shop that played "work to rule" so hard it was amazing anything ever got done.
"Work to rule", is that why we motor repair workers can't do wiring in our own shop, not even change lightbulbs?
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Should we send a cruiser to Omaha Steve's house to do a welfare check? Dude has to be in the depths of sorrow. It's been a very bad year for the man. :bawl:
He still has 6 months left in the year maybe things will turn around for the lump, not likely but possible. :rofl:
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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #1)
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 09:10 AM
cali (71,503 posts)
22. every freakin' time we lose an election, someone says it was stolen
it's pathetic to make that claim with zero evidence.
When even your own moles see this you know it's gotta be pathetic.
I am cool if someone wants to join a union but I don't understand why one can be forced to join one. It's so UNAMERICAN.
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When reading over the comments there, you can just hear the alert button being hammered. :panic:
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They need to put their juries on union overtime wages.
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My hubby and I were just talking about the recall election....
there have been 3 Gov. recall elections...Walker is the only one to win ...the other two were democrats and they both lost....
That make the score ....
Republicans 3 wins
Democrats 3 losses
I like this trend......
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I see little sparks of clarity here and there at the DUmp. They're right, if only the DUmmies would listen. The public has awoken to the problems these public unions present. Politicians negotiating contracts with no skin in the game, scratching each other's backs. The money laundering scheme that pumps money into the demokrat party. The forced unionization. The inequitable compensation packages compared to the private worker paying for them. It's just not right, and it's just that simple.
I think there is more of a favorability toward unions in heavy industry. Some of that work is dirty, dangerous, and extremely unpleasant (I think of a paper mill, or a mine). But these pencil pushers sitting in a bureaucratic cubicle, dreaming up little tyrannical regulations for his own jollies? Does he really need the protection of a big powerful union?
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edhopper (5,259 posts)
12. I was in a Union
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you'd be surprised how many Union people are Repugs who don't see how much the Unions have given them. The are many who buy into the right wing bullshit about greedy lazy workers and those "minorities" living on the government tit.
This dummie must live in a forced unionism state like the one i live in.I know quite a few UAW members who happen to be conservative. It's pretty common in non-right to work states. Dummies always assume every blue collar worker is a dyed in the wool liberal democrat and seem surprised when they find out that isn't the case.I belong to a union and i don't think i've been to a union meeting outside of voting at contract time in 10 years. I get all kinds of shit from my union brothers and sisters because of it too! :lmao:
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Dummies always assume every blue collar worker is a dyed in the wool liberal democrat and seem surprised when they find out that isn't the case.
Not only surprised, their heads explode! This is the danger of their pidgeonhole thinking, where everyone stuck in a particular compartment must, must feel and think the same way. They just can't seem to think outside of this box. Look at Harry Reid. He said "I don't know why any Hispanic would vote Republican." Meanwhile, Marco Rubio is staring at him right in the face.
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This dummie must live in a forced unionism state like the one i live in.I know quite a few UAW members who happen to be conservative. It's pretty common in non-right to work states. Dummies always assume every blue collar worker is a dyed in the wool liberal democrat and seem surprised when they find out that isn't the case.I belong to a union and i don't think i've been to a union meeting outside of voting at contract time in 10 years. I get all kinds of shit from my union brothers and sisters because of it too! :lmao:
Our shop is only a small part of the union, and our contract votes are held in one of the training rooms of the company. Most of the shop workers have only attended a couple of regular meetings. I've only been to two regular meetings . One was when I was sworn in twenty some years ago, and the other was when the union wanted to increase our working dues.
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This dummie must live in a forced unionism state like the one i live in.I know quite a few UAW members who happen to be conservative. It's pretty common in non-right to work states. Dummies always assume every blue collar worker is a dyed in the wool liberal democrat and seem surprised when they find out that isn't the case.I belong to a union and i don't think i've been to a union meeting outside of voting at contract time in 10 years. I get all kinds of shit from my union brothers and sisters because of it too! :lmao:
Here in NYS, it's said that 40% of the NYS (public) workforce is Republican. Maybe slightly higher.
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OK I gotta say it!!!
All your unions are belong to us!!!!
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cali (71,503 posts)
22. every freakin' time we lose an election, someone says it was stolen
it's pathetic to make that claim with zero evidence.
Repukes were telling people the voting booths were infested with earwigs.
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Repukes were telling people the voting booths were infested with earwigs.
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