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Current Events => General Discussion => Topic started by: Boojatta on May 24, 2012, 05:04:51 PM
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I think that in case of an actual mistake, the sooner there is a self-delete, the better. Would it be possible to have an official button for accusing somebody of trolling? Suppose that two or three people clicked the button instead of posting replies. After all, an actual troll doesn't want to merely elicit a few button clicks. Two or three people clicking the "I suspect that this post is a trolling attempt" button could cause the author of the post to see that it has been identified as such, and the author could have an opportunity to self-delete the post. There would be no time limitation. Obviously, sooner is better than later. However, a little late is better than much later.
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I think that in case of an actual mistake, the sooner there is a self-delete, the better. Would it be possible to have an official button for accusing somebody of trolling? Suppose that two or three people clicked the button instead of posting replies. After all, an actual troll doesn't want to merely elicit a few button clicks. Two or three people clicking the "I suspect that this post is a trolling attempt" button could cause the author of the post to see that it has been identified as such, and the author could have an opportunity to self-delete the post. There would be no time limitation. Obviously, sooner is better than later. However, a little late is better than much later.
In case it has escaped your notice, trolls don't care if they are called out for being such. They aren't concerned about their popularity on a message board. They are only interested in getting a rise out of as many folks as they can.
A troll button simply won't work.
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In case it has escaped your notice, trolls don't care if they are called out for being such. They aren't concerned about their popularity on a message board. They are only interested in getting a rise out of as many folks as they can.
A troll button simply won't work.
I agree with Rich. Nothing would happen.
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The way the board is set up now allows us to effectively handle things.
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A troll button simply won't work.
Everybody makes mistakes, and one possible mistake is a false positive: labeling as a trolling post something that was actually a mistake. My proposal is an attempt to help people who don't want to troll, but who have inadvertently done something that others believe to be trolling. They could self-delete, and avoid further damage to their reputation. Such self-deleting would also prevent some people from seeing what they would otherwise see and be annoyed by.
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Everybody makes mistakes, and one possible mistake is a false positive: labeling as a trolling post something that was actually a mistake. My proposal is an attempt to help people who don't want to troll, but who have inadvertently done something that others believe to be trolling. They could self-delete, and avoid further damage to their reputation. Such self-deleting would also prevent some people from seeing what they would otherwise see and be annoyed by.
What part of "they don't care about their reputation" are you failing to understand?
You obviously aren't posting using your real name, do you really care about the reputation of your message board persona(s)?
Don't be absurd.
Speaking of trolling..... You appear to be doing it.
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A computer said this to me:
You can't report your own post to the moderator, that doesn't make sense!
Now, I don't want to argue with a computer, but I think that it might make sense in some cases.
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do you really care about the reputation of your message board persona(s)?
Don't be absurd.
Do you authorize the transfer of +265 reputation points from rich_t to Boojatta? Just to be clear, the negative reputation points of rich_t won't be changed, and won't be transferred to Boojatta.
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I wonder if Boojatta thinks he's still at DU? (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=site:democraticunderground.com+boojatta&oq=site:democraticunderground.com+boojatta&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...5322.11009.0.11479.47.40.3.0.0.1.256.6814.0j35j5.40.0...0.0.pKgGKdYDlsY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=43ca00f83d9a1a7e&biw=1024&bih=677)
What's with all the silly questions?
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I wonder if Boojatta thinks he's still at DU? (https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=site:democraticunderground.com+boojatta&oq=site:democraticunderground.com+boojatta&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...5322.11009.0.11479.47.40.3.0.0.1.256.6814.0j35j5.40.0...0.0.pKgGKdYDlsY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=43ca00f83d9a1a7e&biw=1024&bih=677)
What's with all the silly questions?
He/She/It is trolling.
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I wonder if Boojatta thinks he's still at DU?
What's with all the silly questions?
No, DU is intolerant. Are you a member of CC's plainclothes MIR team? I imagine that somebody could see me as an intruder here. I was surprised to discover after six years and 12,000 posts at DU that I was intruding there.
From another thread:
We are far more tolerant here than you encountered at the DUmp. You could even criticize Republicans here with no fear of anything more than a bitch-slap to your rep (which doesn't matter in the end as even friendly bitch-slaps are sometimes given). There is no walking on egg shells in this forum unlike the DU or even the formerly great, and now not so great Hannity forums.
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Do you authorize the transfer of +265 reputation points from rich_t to Boojatta? Just to be clear, the negative reputation points of rich_t won't be changed, and won't be transferred to Boojatta.
If you make it to 1000 posts, I'll ask the admin to make the transaction.
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Self-deleting posts can get out of hand. I've seen entire threads disappear (on another forum) because somebody decided they were going to wipe out their existence.
I think the way it's set up here is the way to go. You get a finite period of time to edit and/or delete what you've written. Not sure what that is -- maybe an hour. After that, you gotta leave it the way it is, warts and all.
The mods do a good job determining what an harmless mistake is versus trolling. Extra buttons and geegaws ain't gonna make that problem any easier to deal with.
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Or, you can man up later, apologize, and move on. Also, you never EVER have to type the first words that come to mind.
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Self-deleting posts can get out of hand. I've seen entire threads disappear (on another forum) because somebody decided they were going to wipe out their existence.
I think the way it's set up here is the way to go. You get a finite period of time to edit and/or delete what you've written. Not sure what that is -- maybe an hour. After that, you gotta leave it the way it is, warts and all.
The mods do a good job determining what an harmless mistake is versus trolling. Extra buttons and geegaws ain't gonna make that problem any easier to deal with.
Exactly Or, you can man up later, apologize, and move on. Also, you never EVER have to type the first words that come to mind.
Thank you!!
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Exactly
Thank you!!
I just don't want you to have to get so angry that you say "Bless Boojatta's heart."
:-) :cheersmate:
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LOLZ...yeah a proper Southern Belle havin' to go all "bless your heart" on someone ain't pretty and will give me wrinkles!
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What about a button that if enough people clicked on it (say 20) it would boot the person. :hyper:
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LOLZ...yeah a proper Southern Belle havin' to go all "bless your heart" on someone ain't pretty and will give me wrinkles!
It took my years here at CC to learn that when a Southern belle says "bless your heart," it is the same as a Philly girl saying "Go Eff Yourself."
:-)
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It took my years here at CC to learn that when a Southern belle says "bless your heart," it is the same as a Philly girl saying "Go Eff Yourself."
:-)
Only sometimes. Sometimes it simply just means "Bless Your Heart." The fun is in the guessing.
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You can be sure anything preceding "and the horse you rode in on" isn't going to be pleasant. :lmao:
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What about a button that if enough people clicked on it (say 20) it would boot the person. :hyper:
There used to be something like that, but they prohibited specific books, rather than simply announcing that, for specified authors, all future writings by that author are prohibited. The number 20 sounds rather arbitrary. I would think that you would want to demonstrate that some clearly specified rules were actually violated rather than merely demonstrating that somebody is presently unpopular.
The Index Librorum Prohibitorum (English: List of Prohibited Books) was a list of publications prohibited by the Catholic Church.
In 2002, a retired Roman Catholic bishop gave his personal approval to the writings of Maria Valtorta, which had been on the Index (though never in a printed edition) and which have still not been given official Church approval.[13][14] Mary Faustina Kowalska, whose writings were likewise forbidden, was canonized in 2000,[15][16] and Antonio Rosmini-Serbati, one of whose works was on the Index, was beatified in 2007.
Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum
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Only sometimes. Sometimes it simply just means "Bless Your Heart." The fun is in the guessing.
It took my years here at CC to learn that when a Southern belle says "bless your heart," it is the same as a Philly girl saying "Go Eff Yourself."
:-)
Or we simply cut to the chase and invite the person to go hide and fornicate themselves. O-)
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There used to be something like that, but they prohibited specific books, rather than simply announcing that, for specified authors, all future writings by that author are prohibited. The number 20 sounds rather arbitrary. I would think that you would want to demonstrate that some clearly specified rules were actually violated rather than merely demonstrating that somebody is presently unpopular.
Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum
Thanks for the latin lesson. No one here has ever had any exposure to that language. It's not like professionals like doctors or lawyers have to be fluent in it.
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Or we simply cut to the chase and invite the person to go hide and fornicate themselves. O-)
Well yeah, there's that. O-)
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Everybody makes mistakes, and one possible mistake is a false positive: labeling as a trolling post something that was actually a mistake. My proposal is an attempt to help people who don't want to troll, but who have inadvertently done something that others believe to be trolling. They could self-delete, and avoid further damage to their reputation. Such self-deleting would also prevent some people from seeing what they would otherwise see and be annoyed by.
Watch your reputation. When the BS number starts climbing, you'll know.
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It took my years here at CC to learn that when a Southern belle says "bless your heart," it is the same as a Philly girl saying "Go Eff Yourself."
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When saying "Bless your heart" only has 3 syllables -it's very sincere.
When stretched out with additional syllables - be afraid.
If there are lots of extra syllables - you have been very politely told what the speaker thinks of you. :-)
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Do you authorize the transfer of +265 reputation points from rich_t to Boojatta? Just to be clear, the negative reputation points of rich_t won't be changed, and won't be transferred to Boojatta.
BS for being a crybaby, and those who admit to actually hitting the report to moderator button on posts will get a BS also.
It's a message board. Get over it.
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When saying "Bless your heart" only has 3 syllables -it's very sincere.
When stretched out with additional syllables - be afraid.
If there are lots of extra syllables - you have been very politely told what the speaker thinks of you. :-)
Well, Bless your little 'ol heart, honey! = :foff:
:lmao: :rotf: :rotf: :rofl:
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Thanks for the latin lesson.
What Latin lesson did you have in mind when you wrote that? I cannot recall providing any Latin lessons.
It's not as though doctors or lawyers have to be fluent in it.
Yes, unless I am mistaken, you are right about that. Doctors don't have to be fluent in Latin, and lawyers don't have to be fluent in Latin. I heard that recently the Roman Catholic Church stopped requiring that priests give sermons in Latin to a lay audience that doesn't understand Latin. Perhaps in the future few people who train to become professional Catholic priests will acquire fluency in Latin.
As for other professions, I suppose that academics who specialize in the study of ancient Roman civilization do need to be fluent in Latin.
My reply is longer than what you wrote that I am replying to. Did you anticipate that outcome? Were you trolling, or merely practicing disinformation skills?
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What Latin lesson did you have in mind when you wrote that? I cannot recall providing any Latin lessons.
Yes, unless I am mistaken, you are right about that. Doctors don't have to be fluent in Latin, and lawyers don't have to be fluent in Latin. I heard that recently the Roman Catholic Church stopped requiring that priests give sermons in Latin to a lay audience that doesn't understand Latin. Perhaps in the future few people who train to become professional Catholic priests will acquire fluency in Latin.
As for other professions, I suppose that academics who specialize in the study of ancient Roman civilization do need to be fluent in Latin.
My reply is longer than what you wrote that I am replying to. Did you anticipate that outcome? Were you trolling, or merely practicing disinformation skills?
Condescend much ? Let what you say be concentrated.
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Condescend much?
There are a couple of ways to answer that question. If you take the "every word was condescending" exaggeration approach, then the discussion cannot really accomplish anything. After all, even the three-word sequence "any Latin lessons" isn't condescending, so how could the one word "any" be condescending?
If you are willing to identify a particular part (or identify some aspect of the overall structure) and assign the label "condescending" to it, then I'm interested. Take your time. Put it aside and return when you feel like it.
Please send me a PM to notify me when you have posted something on the board that gives a train of thought providing suspicion that the label "condescending" applies, along with reasoning that supports the suspicion. I'm interested in your thoughts. I hope that it's not condescending for me to openly say so.
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I think that in case of an actual mistake, the sooner there is a self-delete, the better. Would it be possible to have an official button for accusing somebody of trolling? Suppose that two or three people clicked the button instead of posting replies. After all, an actual troll doesn't want to merely elicit a few button clicks. Two or three people clicking the "I suspect that this post is a trolling attempt" button could cause the author of the post to see that it has been identified as such, and the author could have an opportunity to self-delete the post. There would be no time limitation. Obviously, sooner is better than later. However, a little late is better than much later.
You're one of those people who goes into a business and insists the TV channel be changed to one you approve of, aren't you?
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You're one of those people who goes into a business and insists the TV channel be changed to one you approve of, aren't you?
No. I'm one of those people who puts "offer online service" into the suggestion box of a company that operates bricks-and-mortar video rental stores. Later, the company goes bankrupt because that suggestion (presumably offered by not just me, but also by others) was never seriously considered.
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No. I'm one of those people who puts "offer online service" into the suggestion box of a company that operates bricks-and-mortar video rental stores. Later, the company goes bankrupt because that suggestion (presumably offered by not just me, but also by others) was never seriously considered.
Yes, you're a minimum of one step ahead of everyone, aren't you ? Except for maybe owebuma, the smartest person who has ever lived. Does it cause you consternation that you're only the second smartest ?
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you're a minimum of one step ahead of everyone, aren't you?
No, I'm not.
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What Latin lesson did you have in mind when you wrote that? I cannot recall providing any Latin lessons.
Yes, unless I am mistaken, you are right about that. Doctors don't have to be fluent in Latin, and lawyers don't have to be fluent in Latin. I heard that recently the Roman Catholic Church stopped requiring that priests give sermons in Latin to a lay audience that doesn't understand Latin. Perhaps in the future few people who train to become professional Catholic priests will acquire fluency in Latin.
As for other professions, I suppose that academics who specialize in the study of ancient Roman civilization do need to be fluent in Latin.
You heard recently?
Priests in The Catholic Church haven't delivered Homilies (not sermons) in Latin for more than 40 years in most churches in the US.
Having gone to Mass in a Roman Catholic Church in Italy 9 years ago, they weren't doing it in Latin either, but Italian.
There are a couple of ways to answer that question. If you take the "every word was condescending" exaggeration approach, then the discussion cannot really accomplish anything. After all, even the three-word sequence "any Latin lessons" isn't condescending, so how could the one word "any" be condescending?
If you are willing to identify a particular part (or identify some aspect of the overall structure) and assign the label "condescending" to it, then I'm interested. Take your time. Put it aside and return when you feel like it.
Please send me a PM to notify me when you have posted something on the board that gives a train of thought providing suspicion that the label "condescending" applies, along with reasoning that supports the suspicion. I'm interested in your thoughts. I hope that it's not condescending for me to openly say so.
You are still on probation here, I believe.
Bless your heart, darlin'. You do have a need for improvin' your communication skills.
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Bless your heart, darlin'. You do have a need for improvin' your communication skills.
Uh oh...
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Oh my :-)
We done some blessin in here!
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Oh my :-)
We done some blessin in here!
Ooooo weeeeee chile!
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There used to be something like that, but they prohibited specific books, rather than simply announcing that, for specified authors, all future writings by that author are prohibited. The number 20 sounds rather arbitrary. I would think that you would want to demonstrate that some clearly specified rules were actually violated rather than merely demonstrating that somebody is presently unpopular.
Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_Librorum_Prohibitorum
What was your retard name as a DUmpmonkie?
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Dang. I missed one of deb's "Bless your heart, darlin'" greetings. I'm sure it was spoken slowly, with lots and lots of syllables. :-)
Another entertainer - Booj - has struck our midst. Oh, how quaint. (Sorry, I'm fresh outta Latin.)
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Priests in The Catholic Church haven't delivered Homilies (not sermons) in Latin for more than 40 years in most churches in the US.
I apologize for my error. I have a bit of familiarity with the so-called "sermon on the Mount." Are there any descriptions in the New Testament of any homilies delivered by Jesus?
You do have a need for improvin' your communication skills.
I hope to improve my communication skills. It's a work in progress. I appreciate the help that I have been receiving as I work on my communication skills.
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I apologize for my error. I have a bit of familiarity with the so-called "sermon on the Mount." Are there any descriptions in the New Testament of any homilies delivered by Jesus?
I hope to improve my communication skills. It's a work in progress. I appreciate the help that I have been receiving as I work on my communication skills.
Your insincerity is undeniably passive aggressive.
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I apologize for my error. I have a bit of familiarity with the so-called "sermon on the Mount." Are there any descriptions in the New Testament of any homilies delivered by Jesus?
I hope to improve my communication skills. It's a work in progress. I appreciate the help that I have been receiving as I work on my communication skills.
...and none of Jesus' "sermons" were delivered in Latin either, for that matter.
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Your insincerity is undeniably passive aggressive.
Perhaps you assume that I was being insincere and on that basis conclude that I was also using a passive aggressive tactic. However, I am very interested in communication and wish to improve my own communication skills. What methods did you use to acquire your communication skills? What worked for you might also help me.
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Perhaps you assume that I was being insincere and on that basis conclude that I was also using a passive aggressive tactic. However, I am very interested in communication and wish to improve my own communication skills. What methods did you use to acquire your communication skills? What worked for you might also help me.
Perhaps.
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Perhaps.
Aw, go for it, OZ. Playin' this one to the hilt oughta be good for 40-50 posts and probably a half-dozen bitch slaps.
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Perhaps you assume that I was being insincere and on that basis conclude that I was also using a passive aggressive tactic. However, I am very interested in communication and wish to improve my own communication skills. What methods did you use to acquire your communication skills? What worked for you might also help me.
WORDS OF A TROLL. Its sad to see so many that come to us from DU are so incapable of operating on a board with real people.
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This guy has all the personality and intelligence of wilted lettuce. Why is anyone still wasting their time on him? :rofl:
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This guy has all the personality and intelligence of wilted lettuce. Why is anyone still wasting their time on him? :rofl:
Waitaminute. Even radicchio, after having been in the sun for a coupla hours, at least has some personality.
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This guy has all the personality and intelligence of wilted lettuce. Why is anyone still wasting their time on him? :rofl:
Was posting that a good use of your time?
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Was posting that a good use of your time?
Yes, it was.
Do you like pie?
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Was posting that a good use of your time?
One might ask the same of you.
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Perhaps you assume that I was being insincere and on that basis conclude that I was also using a passive aggressive tactic. However, I am very interested in communication and wish to improve my own communication skills. What methods did you use to acquire your communication skills? What worked for you might also help me.
OK I will help you out here. This is an informal forum. Quit talking like your in a room full of stuffed shirt full-of-themselves PhD's. It smacks of supposed superiority. I know your type. I've dealt with them a 1000 times in real life. Can't say what they mean without using 50 dollar words when a few ten cent words will do. Give you a damned dissertation when 30 words will do. I'll tell you what I tell them... if you can't say it in 30 words or less then just shut the hell up.
And just for the record I have found that said people like that are damned idiots that can't do nothing but talk.
Hope this helps! :cheersmate:
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One might ask the same of you.
Did you see the context?
"Why is anyone still wasting their time on [Boojatta]?"
(I have taken the liberty of replacing a pronoun with a proper noun.)
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And just for the record I have found that said people like that are damned idiots that can't do nothing but talk.
Jesus wept. He wrote in the sand at least once. He also talked. Wooden stuff that he made or repaired would be valued primarily because people think that he made it or repaired it, rather than because they want the wooden stuff.
Oh, I should mention that I'm not Jesus, just in case you misunderstand what I'm saying. The point is that, on the one hand you are right: talk can be very insignificant. On the other hand, it can be very significant.
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Did you see the context?
"Why is anyone still wasting their time on [Boojatta]?"
(I have taken the liberty of replacing a pronoun with a proper noun.)
Yes, despite your condescending conclusion to the contrary.
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My personal experience with political forums has been that boards that are filled to the gills with rules and procedures are both zero fun and full of a fair number of people who are just plain sick-in-the-head--eg, the DU. They're unable to restrain themselves, so they institute a bunch of rules and end up having everyone watching everyone else; they're low-impulse control fools who need to be controlled, not much unlike kids in school. I didn't bother posting long in those places, or staying long with them after they started going that way.
Boojatta, think of it this way: if you have a hunch you're going to tick people off with a post, you probably will. That's not necessarily a reason not to post a particular post, but unceasingly belligerent people do tend to become disliked anywhere after a while---on the Internet, in the real-world, anywhere.
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My personal experience with political forums has been that boards that are filled to the gills with rules and procedures are both zero fun and full of a fair number of people who are just plain sick-in-the-head--eg, the DU. They're unable to restrain themselves, so they institute a bunch of rules and end up having everyone watching everyone else; they're low-impulse control fools who need to be controlled, not much unlike kids in school. I didn't bother posting long in those places, or staying long with them after they started going that way.
Boojatta, think of it this way: if you have a hunch you're going to tick people off with a post, you probably will. That's not necessarily a reason not to post a particular post, but unceasingly belligerent people do tend to become disliked anywhere after a while---on the Internet, in the real-world, anywhere.
:yeahthat:
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Jesus wept. He wrote in the sand at least once. He also talked. Wooden stuff that he made or repaired would be valued primarily because people think that he made it or repaired it, rather than because they want the wooden stuff.
Oh, I should mention that I'm not Jesus, just in case you misunderstand what I'm saying. The point is that, on the one hand you are right: talk can be very insignificant. On the other hand, it can be very significant.
Were you born a pathetic asswipe troll, or did you have to work at it?
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People who go looking for fights almost always find them, but never seem to realize there is ALWAYS some one tougher intellectually or otherwise.