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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Revolution on May 23, 2012, 02:53:59 AM
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white_wolf (4,373 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Does anyone else have a problem with children saying the Pledge of Allegiance?
I don't know if it's still being done now, but when I was in highschool in 08 the Pledge was still said daily over the intercom and when I was elementary school the teachers would lead the class. Does anyone else have a problem with it? Children pledging their allegiance to the state before they are even old enough to understand what they are saying seems like a bad thing to do. It seems like it could foster strong and sometimes dangerous nationalist sentiment in later years. I know it isn't actually mandatory in schools, but you aren't ever told you don't have to do it and the pressure to conform is strong.
I personally stood up, and recited every single time. I do it at sporting events, every year at our towns 9/11 memorial get together, and at any other event that warrants it. Same with the Star Spangled Banner, and the National Anthem.
left on green only(495 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
23. +1 Your post took the words right out of my mouth and left me breathless.
The only thing that I can add is that I can remember in later school years, after I started to become aware of all of the hypocrisy that was prevalent in our country, how I used to just pantomime and lip sync the act every morning. In my own cynical way, I figured that it was the best thing to do in order to fit in with the hypocrisy that was being shoved down my throat as a part of my education.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002712938
And the Piss Revolution Off post of the week goes tooooooo....That's right. LOGO!!
Though it doesn't suprise me that you, or any of your kind feigns patriotism because your too SPINELESS to stand up, and say how you really feel. And why would that be? Fear. Fear of getting your ass kicked if you spoke of your true feelings/opinions. And it would happen, because there are a hell of a lot more of my kind out there than yours.
Coward.
Happyhippychick(4,871 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. I do.
It feels wrong and indoctrinating, for lack of a better word. I hate it.
:rotf: Out of all the delusional shit teachers teach nowdays, out of all the wrong, manipulated, unadulturated bile the teachers put on students these days, the PLEDGE is "indoctrinating?"
Up yours.
Warpy(63,253 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. I think daily loyalty oaths from children are creepy
Hmmmm, you think that's creepy? Go have a talk with IanDavid for about an hour. Your perspective should change substantially.
southernyankeebelle(5,839 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
34. I just misspelled it sorry. But it meant something to me and was always happy to say them. I come from a military environment growing up. My dad and my husband both retired from the military along with my father-in-law. I never mind saying that because my dad was in WWII, Korea and VN before the built up. He was wounded in WWII. I think saying the pledge honors him and his fellow soldiers who died. I feel it unite the country.
For the purposes of this thread, you're a good egg.
Codeine(11,899 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. I think it's stupid and archaic.
Last edited Mon May 21, 2012, 04:57 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)
That said, the little buggers don't have a single clue what they're saying or what it means, so the oath has no significance whatsoever in their minds. Perhaps by making it a mindless exercise in robotic mantra-ism all the harm is sort of washed out?
Go overdose. Nobody will miss you.
GoneOffShore(8,956 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
10. Not in favor of it.
Or at political events or sporting events.
It's creepy. Didn't used to think so, but do now.
I will not recite it, I will not sing the Star Spangled Banner and I will not stand for "God Bless America".
What was that little quote I have personally heard some of your Occupooper friends uttering? Oh yes, "Stand for something, or die for nothing."' You're disobeying your masters. Fall back in line, maggot!!
SoutherDem(619 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
17. Honestly
I didn't know why or what I was really saying. I didn't even think of what the words meant until I was an adult.
I can't say I have a problem with it but it is a bit nationalistic and we do have a larger number of non-americans in our school now than when I was in school.
Also the under god part was added in either 1954 or 56, when publicly admitting you were an atheist might get you beat up as quick as admitting you were gay. For an atheist this might present a problem.
As to voluntary? Volunteering is helping hand out something for the teacher. To be told the pledge would be voluntary is asking for ridicule from the child of a right winger when someone choses not to do so.
That's because the powerhouses in your upside down state (Brown, Boxer, Pelousy) are complete imbeciles, and "I Word" sympathizers. As to your last line, don't think so n00b.
RZM(6,363 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
80. It makes me think of prayers. Here's my customized hybrid version
Last edited Tue May 22, 2012, 11:32 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
'I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name. Thy kingdom come, they will be done, on earth as it is heaven, with liberty and justice for all. Amen.'
It might be time to reconsider the pledge in school beyond part of history.
Couldn't even get PAER of the Lord's Prayer right. What a nit-wit.
rug(36,861 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
27. My daughter stopped saying it in third grade.
And I'm sure you had absolutely NO influence on that young mind, huh? :whatever:
But, but....OBAMA says we should:
cherokeeprogressive(12,458 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
29. Nnnnnope.
Not at all. Neither does The President.
"In order to recognize the American spirit of loyalty and the sacrifices that so many have made for our Nation, the Congress, by Public Law 85-529 as amended, has designated May 1 of each year as "Loyalty Day." On this day, let us reaffirm our allegiance to the United States of America, our Constitution, and our founding values.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim May 1, 2012, as Loyalty Day. This Loyalty Day, I call upon all the people of the United States to join in support of this national observance, whether by displaying the flag of the United States or pledging allegiance to the Republic for which it stands.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of May, in the year of our Lord two thousand twelve, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-sixth."
white_wolf(4,373 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
33. Loyalty Day is such bullshit.
It's May Day,I international Worker's Day, not Loyalty Day
Yeah, dammit! :bawl:
whathehell(8,768 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
35. Tell it to Barack.
cherokeeprogressive(12,458 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
36. Ze Google. Try it zometime.
Then write The President and tell him how you feel.
May 1. Loyalty Day, as proclaimed by President Barack Obama.
Learn it. Live it. Love it.
:lmao:
white_wolf(4,373 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
39. It's still bullshit.
May Day is a lot older. Besides if the President was listening to my advice, I would have far more important issues to discus with him than a holidays. However, since I'm not a millionaire donor I'm not on the list of people he goes to for policy advice.
*GASP!* Oh no he di'ent!! ALERT! ALERT! BLACK BLOC! BLACK BLOC! :panic:
Too much more to post.
Buncha assholes.
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Generic Other(18,859 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
62. red white and blue porn
with liberty and justice for some.
I wish I knew you personally, you sleaze!
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I get tearyeyed saying the Pledge of Allegiance. I don't see how you couldn't unless you are a worthless bastard sucking off of other American's.
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I get tearyeyed saying the Pledge of Allegiance. I don't see how you couldn't unless you are a worthless bastard sucking off of other American's.
Singing the Battle Hymn does that to me. Sunday, . . . I'll figure it out.
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Typical ungrateful, traitorous scum. Even when one of their own is in office, they still feel the need to openly bash their own country which gives them the sorts of freedoms that they can't find anywhere else.
The bash their country, but worship their figurehead politicians, and anyone else who's built up a cult of personality around themselves that the DUmmies agree with.
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I always stand and hold my hand on my heart when I say the pledge. Unlike the socialist DUmpster suckers, I love this country.
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I had a Jehova Witness in my classes growing up. He never stood and recited the pledge; and I don't remember making fun of him for it....
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white_wolf (4,373 posts)
Does anyone else have a problem with children saying the Pledge of Allegiance?
left on green only(495 posts)
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In my own cynical way, I figured that it was the best thing to do in order to fit in with the hypocrisy that was being shoved down my throat as a part of my education.
Happyhippychick(4,871 posts)
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It feels wrong and indoctrinating, for lack of a better word. I hate it.
Warpy(63,253 posts)
7. I think daily loyalty oaths from children are creepy
Codeine(11,899 posts)
9. I think it's stupid and archaic.
GoneOffShore(8,956 posts)
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I will not recite it, I will not sing the Star Spangled Banner and I will not stand for "God Bless America".
rug(36,861 posts)
27. My daughter stopped saying it in third grade.
Generic Other(18,859 posts)
62. red white and blue porn
with liberty and justice for some.
You know, I read somewhere that American patriotic symbology (flags and the like) are more readily identifiable with Conservative/Republican ideals and candidates for elected office and that American patriotism is identified as a Conservative/Republican trait. I cannot for the life of me think of why the author of that particular piece would believe such a thing.
:whatever:
*Hat tip to Cherokee Progressive and southernyankeebelle (whatever the Hell that is supposed to mean) for injecting some sanity into that boiling cauldron of blind hate.
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Even when one of their own is in office, they still feel the need to openly bash their own country which gives them the sorts of freedoms that they can't find anywhere else.
Look at the context: "Does anyone else have a problem with children saying the Pledge of Allegiance?" At what age do children know what the situation is around the world with respect to freedom?
The bash their country, but worship their figurehead politicians, and anyone else who's built up a cult of personality around themselves that the DUmmies agree with.
I wouldn't phrase it that way myself, because if you claim more than you can support then you lose credibility. However, I think that there's a kernel of truth in what you wrote there.
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Look at the context: "Does anyone else have a problem with children saying the Pledge of Allegiance?" At what age do children know what the situation is around the world with respect to freedom?
Considering the "context" of the rest of the post and the replies following, I'd have to say that your point gets lost in the noise of hatred for the United States and the people who protect the freedoms given to the haters.
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Happyhippychick(4,871 posts)
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It feels wrong and indoctrinating, for lack of a better word. I hate it.
INDOCTRINATION!?!?!?!?!???!?!?!?!?!???!?!?!?! Are you really that stupid? Remember this, you moron.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TKMKbifgQ[/youtube]
You want to talk about indoctrination, then look there and at all the other stuff the liberal teachers and news organizations are doing. You stupid jackass.
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Considering the "context" of the rest of the post and the replies following, I'd have to say that your point gets lost in the noise of hatred for the United States and the people who protect the freedoms given to the haters.
This is the proofreader's dilemma. If you are a proofreader and you find a huge number of errors, then do you rejoice that you have found them so that they can be corrected, or weep because so many errors are being made?
Are we hoping to influence DU in a positive direction, and gathering evidence that the mission is extremely challenging? Are we seeing DU as beyond hope, and hoping to find ammunition to create bad PR for everything associated with the Democratic Party?
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This is the proofreader's dilemma. If you are a proofreader and you find a huge number of errors, then do you rejoice that you have found them so that they can be corrected, or weep because so many errors are being made?
Are we hoping to influence DU in a positive direction, and gathering evidence that the mission is extremely challenging? Are we seeing DU as beyond hope, and hoping to find ammunition to create bad PR for everything associated with the Democratic Party?
Do you believe DU can actually be saved? Do you know the function of the DUmpster forum?
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This is the proofreader's dilemma. If you are a proofreader and you find a huge number of errors, then do you rejoice that you have found them so that they can be corrected, or weep because so many errors are being made?
Are we hoping to influence DU in a positive direction, and gathering evidence that the mission is extremely challenging? Are we seeing DU as beyond hope, and hoping to find ammunition to create bad PR for everything associated with the Democratic Party?
Yes.
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Isn't it fun exposing the pieces of shit for what they are.
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This is the proofreader's dilemma. If you are a proofreader and you find a huge number of errors, then do you rejoice that you have found them so that they can be corrected, or weep because so many errors are being made?
Are we hoping to influence DU in a positive direction, and gathering evidence that the mission is extremely challenging? Are we seeing DU as beyond hope, and hoping to find ammunition to create bad PR for everything associated with the Democratic Party?
Are you a member of the DUmp?
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The DUmp is just a subforum of Conservative Cave, so basically, we're all members of The DUmp.
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Are you a member of the DUmp?
Pizza'd :lmao:
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Are you a member of the DUmp?
No, my posting privileges were removed:
Evidence:
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=5762
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Pizza'd :lmao:
Can you explain the joke without killing it?
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No, my posting privileges were removed:
Evidence:
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1230&pid=5762
So you are a liberal that was booted from the DUmp for being a homophobic troll? Are you hear out of malice or do you want to actually post with our intelligent and funny people?
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Here ya go Boo :-) http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,72472.0/topicseen.html
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So you are a liberal who was booted from the DUmp for being a homophobic troll?
I was booted from DU. The label "liberal" seems meaningless to me. Feel free to ask me a specific question about political philosophy.
As for why my DU posting privileges were removed, here's what was actually written:
MIR Team (EarlG) banned Boojatta
Reason: Homophobe.
That's open to interpretation. Perhaps EarlG doubts that I'm straight, and perhaps EarlG is a homophobe.
Are you here out of malice
Do you mean malice against DU? I've seen posts on Conservative Cave about Boojatta, but I cannot recall anything here that I would complain about.
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I mean are you here for intelligent discussion and ribbing or are you just here to cause chaos? We don't boot anyone of any political affiliation like the DUmp. I like to listen to both sides and also debate my side. I just don't care for OWS type posters that are only here to cause the most havoc they can.
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Why is the Pledge of Allegiance Important (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/why-is-the-pledge-of-allegiance-important.html)
The Pledge of Allegiance, written in 1892 is an oath or symbol of loyalty of the Americans towards their flag and country. This article dwells on why is the Pledge of Allegiance important to the Americans...
Today, the words of the Pledge of Allegiance reads: I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. The meaning of this Pledge is as follows:
I pledge allegiance - I promise to be true
to the flag - to the symbol of our country
of the United States of America - each state that has joined to make our country
and to the Republic - a republic is a country where the people choose their representatives, to make laws for them, that is the government is for the people
for which it stands - the flag, meaning the country
one nation - a single nation
under God - the people believe in a supreme being
➢indivisible - the country cannot be split into parts
➢with liberty and justice - with freedom and fairness
➢for all - for each person in the country, you and me!
In a nut shell, by reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, every American promises to be true to the United States of America. The freedom available will not be taken for granted and each American will remember the countless men, women and children who have given their lives through the centuries, so that they can live peacefully today.
By Priya Johnson
Last Updated: 2/20/2012
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Are you a member of the DUmp?
I think that the subthread starting with what you wrote above should be moved here:
Forum > The Bar > Introductions & Subsequent Welcomes
What do you think?
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Here ya go Boo :-) http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,72472.0/topicseen.html
Youi're very bad. :-)
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I'm not here to cause chaos or havoc. On the contrary, I would appreciate clear notification if I step too close to the line, so that I can increase my safety margin. On the other hand, a court jester persona has served me well, and I think that the presence of the words "Boojatta" and "intelligent" in close proximity to each other could offend lurking DU members. I see no reason to offend them. In future, I would like to keep a wide safety margin between the the word "Boojatta" and the word "intelligent", and I'm hoping for your cooperation.
I mean are you here for intelligent discussion and ribbing or are you just here to cause chaos?
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I see no reason to offend them.
Now see, you're already getting off on the wrong foot. :tongue:
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Which is your favorite term of endearment? DUmpmonkey or primitive?
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DUmor has kinda fallen by the wayside, so I'd have to say either DUmbass or Primitive.
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Which is your favorite term of endearment? DUmpmonkey or primitive?
Why not combine the primate component of "DUmpmonkey" with the word "primitive" to create a new term?
"primative"
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What kind of wry humor is that?
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Youi're very bad. :-)
But she's soooooo good when she is. O-)
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Why not combine the primate component of "DUmpmonkey" with the word "primitive" to create a new term?
"primative"
I am starting to see why they booted you. :lmao: That wasn't even funny. Make me laugh!
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I am starting to see why they booted you. :lmao: That wasn't even funny. Make me laugh!
I don't think nude self portraits are allowed here at CC...
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I'm surprised these haven't been posted yet.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jf3MQpffBc&feature=related[/youtube]
If neither of those videos bring a lump to your throat then you are way beyond hope!
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I don't think nude self portraits are allowed here at CC...
Sure they are, in the Short Bus.
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I personally stood up, and recited every single time. I do it at sporting events, every year at our towns 9/11 memorial get together, and at any other event that warrants it. Same with the Star Spangled Banner, and the National Anthem.
The Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
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under God - the people believe in a supreme being
➢indivisible - the country cannot be split into parts
➢with liberty and justice - with freedom and fairness
➢for all - for each person in the country, you and me!
That is why the DUmmies hate the "Pledge of Allegiance".
They don't believe in God.
They want the country divided.
They don't want fairness in its true meaning, but only what they believe is fair.
They only want freedom and justice as it is determined by them .
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I'm not here to cause chaos or havoc. On the contrary, I would appreciate clear notification if I step too close to the line, so that I can increase my safety margin. On the other hand, a court jester persona has served me well, and I think that the presence of the words "Boojatta" and "intelligent" in close proximity to each other could offend lurking DU members. I see no reason to offend them. In future, I would like to keep a wide safety margin between the the word "Boojatta" and the word "intelligent", and I'm hoping for your cooperation.
We are far more tolerant here than you encountered at the DUmp. You could even criticize Republicans here with no fear of anything more than a bitch-slap to your rep (which doesn't matter in the end as even friendly bitch-slaps are sometimes given). There is no walking on egg shells in this forum unlike the DU or even the formerly great, and now not so great Hannity forums.
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We are far more tolerant here than you encountered at the DUmp. You could even criticize Republicans here with no fear of anything more than a bitch-slap to your rep (which doesn't matter in the end as even friendly bitch-slaps are sometimes given). There is no walking on egg shells in this forum unlike the DU or even the formerly great, and now not so great Hannity forums.
:lol: We have great bitchslap fests :lmao:
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I've never participated in a Hannity forum. You have to walk on eggshells there?
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I've never participated in a Hannity forum. You have to walk on eggshells there?
You didn't use to. It was a great forum back from about 2003 till about 2008. Then rules changed and it lost all its appeal. Plus, certain posters were allowed to become mods, and one of them *cough* Goosemon *cough* let it go to his head and developed a power trip out of it. He sure seems to enjoy talking down to, berating, and banning the conservatives on that forum while giving long time trouble making libs free passes till the cows come home.
Edit to add - pretty much all the good guys I knew there and had made internet friends with have either been banned or left voluntarily. We're not talking people as acidic as I can be, but laid back types.
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They also miss the point that you're not pledging allegiance to the state, but to the flag, which is a battle banner. It's easier for a kid to understand than pledging allegiance to the Constitution, which, in a different format ("protect and defend"), our elected leaders and military do. Specifically NOT the United States, but the Constitution of the United States--subtle but HUGE difference.
I've always thought that the choice of the flag and not the country itself mirrored this same idea for a younger audience. I loved saying the pledge. I felt as if I were truly e pluribus unum. Of course, I was a kid, so my mind was more on recess than anything else, but the pledge always gave me that feeling of belonging to something greater and contributing to it. Immmph....well, if under their cold, analytical glare of America-hatred the pledge causes even the most fleeting twinge of thoughts of contribution, I could see how the DUmmies, all takers from our country and never givers, would hate it on that basis alone.
As for pledging allegiance to the state--good grief, DUmmies do that with every breath!
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When little kids are out on the playground, playing on the swings and Jungle Jim, and the slide, they line up to get a turn to go down the slide. First, Josie goes up the ladder, the other kids watching, and when she sits down on top, and wriggles forward to begin her trip down the slide, Jimmy begins his ascent up the ladder for his turn down the slide. This is the way the teacher showed them so that they will all get their turn on the slide. They know that it's not fair for someone to "butt in" the line out of turn, ahead of someone else. They shout: "Hey, no fair". That's just the way they do it. It's the way they all learned that this is the way it's done. And when the teacher blows the whistle, they know that recess is over, and that it is time to go back into the classroom. The teacher said she doesn't want everyone trying to get in the door at the same time, so they have to line up to get in the door. That's the way it's done. Early in the mornings, the teacher says its time to all stand up and say the pledge of allegiance. They all know what to do. They all stand together, and put their hand over their heart, and follow along with the teacher. Little Troy knows all the words now, and can say all of them, one right after the other without stumbling. Some still look over at others to see if they are doing it right, smiling self-consciously, but they are doing it all together, happy with their joint efforts with their classmates. They don't know exactly what they are saying, or why. They do it because it is a class project that the teacher showed them, and they are happy to participate, contributing their voice to the whole.
As they grow older, they move from the smaller grades to high school, and when it is time to say the pledge of allegiance, they know the words, and what to do. I still remember the words: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America; and to the Republic for which it stands; One Nation, under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
It was all so simple back when we were kids. We just got up from the chair, and stood up and put our hand over our heart and said the words. Many still say the words without thinking. All around are up on their feet saying the words. It is much like a favorite hymn in church, or The Lord's Prayer.
There are many in this country who don't know The Lord's Prayer. They have learned differently about a God, and recite their own words that they have learned as a child. Their religious beliefs are quite different from those of the majority in this country. Some say that the minority must adapt to the ways of the majority. In Ireland, the Catholics and Protestants are still at war with each other. In the Middle East, the Muslims and Jews are at war with each other. Religious Intolerance has been a bane of many societies, and continues. So what's the answer??? TOLERANCE!!! Nobody is just like somebody else. We all differ. What is accomplished by getting mad at somebody because he is different? And because another is different, are we going to make him change to conform to our views? How are we going to do that?
At sporting events, and patriotic gatherings, people rise up at the announcement of the pledge of allegiance, and recite, by rote, the familiar incantations. Some have examined into the history of this country, and religions, and see things differently than most. I have studied our history, and realize that this country was not founded on the principles of subservience to a king, such subservience being rejected in the flight from Britain to the shores of America. The terms "sovereign", and "subject" were rejected in our society, in favor of the hierarchical arrangement as delineated in Article Ten of the Bill of Rights, which shows that the people retain all of the powers not granted to a State, or the States creation, the United States. We rejected the notion: "Hail to the King." Why should we now embrace: "Hail to the United States"?
The term "allegiance" is described in the Webster Dictionary: "The tie or obligation of a subject to his sovereign or government; the duty of fidelity to a king, government, or state."
Considering the term allegiance, and the hierarchical relationship between the people, the State, and the federal government, as recorded in Article Ten of the Bill of Rights, the pledge of allegiance to the flag, and to the United States, should be abolished. All who work for government should be required, every morning, to pledge their allegiance to the people whom they serve; and to reaffirm their oath to uphold the Constitution. This would be a daily reminder of their status, and their servile position. It is predictable that their attitude would change.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydWhRObVxrM&ob=av2n[/youtube]
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
For he today that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition.
And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydWhRObVxrM&ob=av2n[/youtube]
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
For he today that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition.
And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day.
^5
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white_wolf
... but when I was in highschool in 08...
I didn't know this primitive was just a child. Hard to know on DU because even the 60 & 70 year olds there reason like children.
High School in 08. That would make him around 25 since, no doubt, third grade were five of the best years of his life.
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The Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
Well, everyone has DUpid moments. :thatsright:
In other news, I can't BS myself...
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Well, everyone has DUpid moments. :thatsright:
In other news, I can't BS myself...
I got ya covered :tongue:
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DUpid moments
And that phrase earns you an H5 from me.
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Are we hoping to influence DU in a positive direction, and gathering evidence that the mission is extremely challenging? Are we seeing DU as beyond hope, and hoping to find ammunition to create bad PR for everything associated with the Democratic Party?
Pretty much.
1) DU represents the far lunatic fringe of the American left. Most of them are people who have no interest in changing or being led on a different direction from what they're currently on. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. There are a couple okay people on it, but they always end up getting shouted down by the psychos and radicals that make up the vast majority of its membership.
2) The DUmmies in particular would not listen to us on anything, because of how we mock and parody their site.
3) This site is not about changing the minds of DUmmies; It's about highlighting and mocking the more deranged threads on DU, and in so doing, exposing the American far left for what it's truly like, something the liberal mainstream media deliberately avoids doing out of fear of making the left look bad.
4) The Democrat Party doesn't need our help creating bad PR for itself; They're more than capable of doing that on their own.
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hoping to find ammunition to create bad PR for everything associated with the Democratic Party?
That would be more in line with my way of thinking. I don't think they can be "influenced in a positive direction." The more insane, outrageous, and stupid nuggets of theirs, I broadcast over the internet, wherever I can, just to show people what a demokrat is.
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When little kids are out on the playground, playing on the swings and Jungle Jim, and the slide, they line up to get a turn to go down the slide. First, Josie goes up the ladder, the other kids watching, and when she sits down on top, and wriggles forward to begin her trip down the slide, Jimmy begins his ascent up the ladder for his turn down the slide. This is the way the teacher showed them so that they will all get their turn on the slide. They know that it's not fair for someone to "butt in" the line out of turn, ahead of someone else. They shout: "Hey, no fair". That's just the way they do it. It's the way they all learned that this is the way it's done. And when the teacher blows the whistle, they know that recess is over, and that it is time to go back into the classroom. The teacher said she doesn't want everyone trying to get in the door at the same time, so they have to line up to get in the door. That's the way it's done. Early in the mornings, the teacher says its time to all stand up and say the pledge of allegiance. They all know what to do. They all stand together, and put their hand over their heart, and follow along with the teacher. Little Troy knows all the words now, and can say all of them, one right after the other without stumbling. Some still look over at others to see if they are doing it right, smiling self-consciously, but they are doing it all together, happy with their joint efforts with their classmates. They don't know exactly what they are saying, or why. They do it because it is a class project that the teacher showed them, and they are happy to participate, contributing their voice to the whole.
As they grow older, they move from the smaller grades to high school, and when it is time to say the pledge of allegiance, they know the words, and what to do. I still remember the words: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America; and to the Republic for which it stands; One Nation, under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."
It was all so simple back when we were kids. We just got up from the chair, and stood up and put our hand over our heart and said the words. Many still say the words without thinking. All around are up on their feet saying the words. It is much like a favorite hymn in church, or The Lord's Prayer.
There are many in this country who don't know The Lord's Prayer. They have learned differently about a God, and recite their own words that they have learned as a child. Their religious beliefs are quite different from those of the majority in this country. Some say that the minority must adapt to the ways of the majority. In Ireland, the Catholics and Protestants are still at war with each other. In the Middle East, the Muslims and Jews are at war with each other. Religious Intolerance has been a bane of many societies, and continues. So what's the answer??? TOLERANCE!!! Nobody is just like somebody else. We all differ. What is accomplished by getting mad at somebody because he is different? And because another is different, are we going to make him change to conform to our views? How are we going to do that?
At sporting events, and patriotic gatherings, people rise up at the announcement of the pledge of allegiance, and recite, by rote, the familiar incantations. Some have examined into the history of this country, and religions, and see things differently than most. I have studied our history, and realize that this country was not founded on the principles of subservience to a king, such subservience being rejected in the flight from Britain to the shores of America. The terms "sovereign", and "subject" were rejected in our society, in favor of the hierarchical arrangement as delineated in Article Ten of the Bill of Rights, which shows that the people retain all of the powers not granted to a State, or the States creation, the United States. We rejected the notion: "Hail to the King." Why should we now embrace: "Hail to the United States"?
The term "allegiance" is described in the Webster Dictionary: "The tie or obligation of a subject to his sovereign or government; the duty of fidelity to a king, government, or state."
Considering the term allegiance, and the hierarchical relationship between the people, the State, and the federal government, as recorded in Article Ten of the Bill of Rights, the pledge of allegiance to the flag, and to the United States, should be abolished. All who work for government should be required, every morning, to pledge their allegiance to the people whom they serve; and to reaffirm their oath to uphold the Constitution. This would be a daily reminder of their status, and their servile position. It is predictable that their attitude would change.
All of that bluster and bullshit to say that pledging your loyalty to the very symbol that represents our freedoms, our way of life, and the Republic for which it stands is somehow a bad thing and should be done away with because it somehow makes us "subjects to a sovereign". You even went so far as to post a definition that somehow or another is supposed to convince us that a show of loyalty to our colors that men and women have shed rivers of blood in defense of is unworthy of truly free men and women.
Nice...
Let me show you something, and make sure you pay attention to the bolded parts:
al·le·giance  /əˈlidʒəns/ Show Spelled[uh-lee-juhns]
noun
1. the loyalty of a citizen to his or her government or of a subject to his or her sovereign.
2. loyalty or devotion to some person, group, cause, or the like.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegiance
We are not swearing fealty to a king, you simpleton, we are showing and reaffirming our loyalty as citizens. We are also showing that while we are free individuals, we are not so self centered as to forget that it is our loyalty as citizens to our flag and the "Republic for which it stands" that keeps this country free and keeps our armed forces ready to exercise the will of those loyal citizens at a moments notice.
The oath to the Constitution that you think should be reaffirmed every day is a specific oath that has specific legal meanings and connotations. That oath is reaffirmed by those with the heart and character to continue their duty to the loyal citizens of this Republic and needs reaffirmation at the time they are renewing that commitment; usually every 3 to 6 years. So, no, that would be an unnecessary gesture that would cheapen the true meaning and intention of that oath.
Let me take this brief moment, at the cusp of this Memorial Day Weekend, to state very simply that you can take that wordy insult that you vomited onto your keyboard and stuff it straight up your ass. It was an intellectually dishonest insult to all those who have bled and died under that banner for your right to be an insipid twat who can't see far enough past himself to understand what those memorized words actually mean.
Sincerely,
wasp69
USN (retired)
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Hi-5 Wasp.
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All of that bluster and bullshit to say that pledging your loyalty to the very symbol that represents our freedoms, our way of life, and the Republic for which it stands is somehow a bad thing and should be done away with because it somehow makes us "subjects to a sovereign". You even went so far as to post a definition that somehow or another is supposed to convince us that a show of loyalty to our colors that men and women have shed rivers of blood in defense of is unworthy of truly free men and women.
Nice...
Let me show you something, and make sure you pay attention to the bolded parts:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/allegiance
We are not swearing fealty to a king, you simpleton, we are showing and reaffirming our loyalty as citizens. We are also showing that while we are free individuals, we are not so self centered as to forget that it is our loyalty as citizens to our flag and the "Republic for which it stands" that keeps this country free and keeps our armed forces ready to exercise the will of those loyal citizens at a moments notice.
The oath to the Constitution that you think should be reaffirmed every day is a specific oath that has specific legal meanings and connotations. That oath is reaffirmed by those with the heart and character to continue their duty to the loyal citizens of this Republic and needs reaffirmation at the time they are renewing that commitment; usually every 3 to 6 years. So, no, that would be an unnecessary gesture that would cheapen the true meaning and intention of that oath.
Let me take this brief moment, at the cusp of this Memorial Day Weekend, to state very simply that you can take that wordy insult that you vomited onto your keyboard and stuff it straight up your ass. It was an intellectually dishonest insult to all those who have bled and died under that banner for your right to be an insipid twat who can't see far enough past himself to understand what those memorized words actually mean.
Sincerely,
wasp69
USN (retired)
I bithslapped him for that rant, and will keep doing so as much as I can, until I feel he has had enough. And ^5 to you.
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Thank you, Splash and Kyle. I actually had to sit on that post for over 12 hours before I replied. Had I not, it would have come out a lot less "nice".
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Hi-5 Wasp.
:cheersmate: I especially liked "Insipid Twat".
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We are also showing that while we are free individuals, we are not so self centered as to forget that it is our loyalty as citizens to our flag and the "Republic for which it stands" that keeps this country free and keeps our armed forces ready to exercise the will of those loyal citizens at a moments notice. ...It was an intellectually dishonest insult to all those who have bled and died under that banner for your right to be an insipid twat who can't see far enough past himself to understand what those memorized words actually mean.
Here's the other side of the story: Ground Truth (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5188599301918606321)
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Here's the other side of the story: Ground Truth (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5188599301918606321)
The other side of what story?
ETA: On second thought, never mind. Whatever reason you have to despise the flag and the country are your own and I am not in the mood to have my blood pressure raised by a self-fellating piss twizzler on this lovely day. It was enough to put your worthless thoughts in the proper context as juxtaposed against those of us who aren't headstone tipping cretins.
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Singing the Battle Hymn does that to me. Sunday, . . . I'll figure it out.
I like Battle Hymn. That should be America's anthem.
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I like Battle Hymn. That should be America's anthem.
Uh, no, it should not.
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I like Battle Hymn. That should be America's anthem.
Wouldn't happen the song is one big biblical reference after another.
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:cheersmate: I especially liked "Insipid Twat".
I'm sure you did... :tongue:
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Wouldn't happen the song is one big biblical reference after another.
But it'd be like crosses to vampires to DUmmies. They'd cringe in terror--more than they already do, anyway--and maybe they'd leave the country for climes more suited to them? I'm thinking Darfur for the men, and Saudi Arabia for DUmmie women. They could live so happily within the religion of peace. :whatever:
Stirring rendition:
[youtube=425,350]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSvH4s-4sCQ[/youtube]
But even better:
[youtube=425,350]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLun-Ca6b6s&feature=related[/youtube]
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exposing the American far left for what it's truly like, something the liberal mainstream media deliberately avoids doing out of fear of making the left look bad.
Isn't it possible that the mainstream media has maybe at least a tiny bit of reluctance to attract attention to what is a potential competitor for its audience? Does the mainstream media earn enough from fees paid by cable subscribers that the mainstream media no longer cares about advertising revenue? Perhaps advertisers no longer care about the size of the audience?
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Indago, I have bestowed a great honor upon you; Your obnoxious, repulsive, long- winded, pseudo- intellectual, brainless rant about the need to ban the Pledge of Allegiance caused me to bestow the very first B**ch- Slap I can ever recall giving on CU. Further, seeing all the slaps you've been given causes me to envision you in my mind trilling off that brainless rant while the CUers line up to slap you, quite a funny mental image to have.
btw, your rant talks about the need for "Tolerance." Problem is, you have here demonstrated no tolerance whatsoever for the people who believe in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.
Screw you, troll.
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Indago, I have bestowed a great honor upon you; Your obnoxious, repulsive, long- winded, pseudo- intellectual, brainless rant about the need to ban the Pledge of Allegiance caused me to bestow the very first B**ch- Slap I can ever recall giving on CU. Further, seeing all the slaps you've been given causes me to envision you in my mind trilling off that brainless rant while the CUers line up to slap you, quite a funny mental image to have.
btw, your rant talks about the need for "Tolerance." Problem is, you have here demonstrated no tolerance whatsoever for the people who believe in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.
Screw you, troll.
What I pictured:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc[/youtube]
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What I pictured:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc[/youtube]
^5
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(http://lerevdr.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/american-school-children-bellamy-salute.jpg)
School children saluting flag and pledging allegiance
promoted by James B. Upham, a marketer for the magazine, as a campaign to instill the idea of American nationalism by selling flags to public schools and magazines to students
article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance)
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I like Battle Hymn. That should be America's anthem.
I don't know about that.
The stinkbug gets mighty damn contrary at times.
He's granted me one free shot at at him, and I'm gonna take it.
:hammer: This ones for you, BH, if you see it. :cheersmate:
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indago has the pot stirring quite nicely. He soon will need to swap out his ladle for a rowboat oar. The simmering pot is in danger of boiling over.
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Okay, let me see if I understand, these idiots are worrying and whining about children being indoctrinated because they say the Pledge of Allegiance. Meanwhile, they admit they were "forced" to say it themselves. Of course, they're just SO above that kind of thing now. Somehow, it never occurs to them that they don't seem to have suffered indoctrination after having to repeat it every single school day. When I was young, immature and "progressive" I had the same childish view about it as they do. Cuz when I was in college it was cool to think you were a rebel...just like everyone else.
Cindie
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Okay, let me see if I understand, these idiots are worrying and whining about children being indoctrinated because they say the Pledge of Allegiance. Meanwhile, they admit they were "forced" to say it themselves. Of course, they're just SO above that kind of thing now. Somehow, it never occurs to them that they don't seem to have suffered indoctrination after having to repeat it every single school day. When I was young, immature and "progressive" I had the same childish view about it as they do. Cuz when I was in college it was cool to think you were a rebel...just like everyone else.
Cindie
Dead on! BS-cutting observation!
You and I and other conservatives are anything but indoctrinated--we love our country, but in fact are the ones carrying the philosophical torch forthe Founders, all rebels, because we don't conflate the temporary men of government with the country and the Constitution, and what we believe and know are the result of adult cognition, not childhood "indoctrination." The notion is idiotic, given childhood attention spans, and what really concerns most children and adolsescents. Meanwhile, they, (the DUmmies) are prime examples of how the Pledge had exactly zero effect: they despise their country, worship the power of government and are anything but rebels against the power of the state, and are fully indoctrinated in the world-upside-down insanity of the Left.
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(http://lerevdr.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/american-school-children-bellamy-salute.jpg)
School children saluting flag and pledging allegiance
:whatever:
Bellamy Salute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute)
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:whatever:
Bellamy Salute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute)
That was so easy to find, wasn't it?
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That was so easy to find, wasn't it?
It was. Kinda makes you wonder what point the pledge-hating, self-fellating, piss-twizzling, insipid twat was trying to make, doesn't it? Especially on a Conservative message board full of veterans, and over the Memorial Day Weekend.
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It was. Kinda makes you wonder what point the pledge-hating, self-fellating, piss-twizzling, insipid twat was trying to make, doesn't it? Especially on a Conservative message board full of veterans, and over the Memorial Day Weekend.
There's that word again :yahoo:
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I'm surprised these haven't been posted yet.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jf3MQpffBc&feature=related[/youtube]
If neither of those videos bring a lump to your throat then you are way beyond hope!
Hack, I was going to put up the Skelton video. Love it! Hai5.
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There's that word again :yahoo:
Which one?
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Which one?
INSIPID TWAT
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INSIPID TWAT
You know I put that in there just for you, don't you? :-)
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You know I put that in there just for you, don't you? :-)
:shucks: :blowkiss:
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Indago, I have bestowed a great honor upon you; Your obnoxious, repulsive, long- winded, pseudo- intellectual, brainless rant about the need to ban the Pledge of Allegiance caused me to bestow the very first B**ch- Slap I can ever recall giving on CU.
Let's see, the title of this thread is Let's Bash the Pledge!
You're not Bashing The Pledge...
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Let's see, the title of this thread is Let's Bash the Pledge!
You're not Bashing The Pledge...
What end of the understanding sarcasm spectrum are you on ?
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Let's see, the title of this thread is Let's Bash the Pledge!
You're not Bashing The Pledge...
Actually, it's a descriptive title to go along with the quoted material from the DUmp. We here at Conservative Cave don't actually dislike showing citizen loyalty to our symbols and our way of life and therefore have no issues with the pledge. We leave that type of behavior to simple, pseudo intellectual, self-fellating, piss-twizzling, insipid, infantile, gutter dwelling twats who have never matured enough to see past themselves.
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There's that word again :yahoo:
INSIPID TWAT
Um, that's two words . . . . :-)
:bolt:
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Um, that's two words . . . . :-)
:bolt:
:evilbird:
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:evilbird:
:lol: :tongue:
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What end of the understanding sarcasm spectrum are you on ?
Both, I think it likes having the fence up it's ass.
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Okay, let me see if I understand, these idiots are worrying and whining about children being indoctrinated because they say the Pledge of Allegiance. Meanwhile, they admit they were "forced" to say it themselves. Of course, they're just SO above that kind of thing now. Somehow, it never occurs to them that they don't seem to have suffered indoctrination after having to repeat it every single school day.
Cindie
Care to address this DUmmy indago?
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Let's see, the title of this thread is Let's Bash the Pledge!
You're not Bashing The Pledge...
Bitchslap. And I will still be bitchslapping you every hour for the pathetic rant you made about abolishing the pledge. Unlike you, apparently, I love this country and everything it stands for. I love, unlike you, our military men and women, and unlike you, I love our flag. Thousands and thousands of people died to defend the flag, and you saying the pledge should be abolished is a slap in the face too all those people, their families, and anyone who agrees with them. You mind numbing ignorant ****.
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Bitchslap. And I will still be bitchslapping you every hour for the pathetic rant you made about abolishing the pledge.
You should probably bring all this up with someone who gives a shit!
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You should probably bring all this up with someone who gives a shit!
Your very presence in this thread as well as your response provide strong evidence that you do indeed give a shit. You're too stupid for anything beyond one dimensional thinking thus you did not even realize that your actions betray your motives. Simpleton.
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You should probably bring all this up with someone who gives a shit!
So what the hell, then, is your point? I've asked you that on another thread, as well. Are you here only to be an internet asshole? Do you have that much free time?
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You should probably bring all this up with someone who gives a shit!
You sure are a sensitive little thing, aren't you?
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Your very presence in this thread as well as your response provide strong evidence that you do indeed give a shit. You're too stupid for anything beyond one dimensional thinking thus you did not even realize that your actions betray your motives. Simpleton.
:ohmy: :popcorn:
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That was so easy to find, wasn't it?
Shouldn't have been too hard: I posted a link on the posting I made. All you would have to do was put your pointer onto the link, and then press a button.
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(http://lerevdr.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/american-school-children-bellamy-salute.jpg)
School children saluting flag and pledging allegiance
article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance)
The Bellamy salute is the salute described by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". During the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazis adopted salutes which were similar in form, resulting in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on 22 December 1942.
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Be it remembered, this date, the Court having ordered all present in the courtroom to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance, and having found that Danny Lampley, Attorney at Law, failed and refused to do so, finds said Danny Lampley to be in criminal contempt of court...
It is further ordered, adjudged and decreed that Danny Lampley shall purge himself of said criminal contempt by complying with the order of this Court by standing and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in open court.
article (http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/refusal-to-pledge-allegiance-lands-lawyer-in-jail/19665605)
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From Associated Press 9 June 2011:
A judge will be reprimanded and fined $100 for jailing a lawyer who refused to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in his courtroom. The State Supreme Court affirmed the recommendation from the Commission on Judicial Performance against Chancellor Talmadge Littlejohn of New Albany. The commission said that Judge Littlejohn acknowledged violating the rights of the lawyer, Danny Lampley, in October with a contempt of court order.
article (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/us/10brfs-Mississippi.html?ref=todayspaper)
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The judge was found in error.
Your point is what, exactly?
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The judge was found in error.
Your point is what, exactly?
He must be thinking that his point was sealed because a judge was in error and and the supreme court is slapping him on the wrist; so the pledge should be abolished. It is a typical liberal mind set.
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He must be thinking that his point was sealed because a judge was in error and and the supreme court is slapping him on the wrist; so the pledge should be abolished. It is a typical liberal mind set.
Ahh, yes, that did slip by me. :cheersmate:
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you do indeed give a shit.
Only in your wildest and most delusional hallucinations.
The Bellamy salute is the salute described by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored.
Francis Bellamy was a (gasp) SOCIALIST.
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All of that bluster and bullshit to say that pledging your loyalty to the very symbol that represents our freedoms, our way of life, and the Republic... (and other and sundry aberrations, ramifications, fixations, lamentations, hallucinations, and incantations).
And "All of that bluster and bullshit" just to justify fealty to a few words written by a (gasp) SOCIALIST!
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Only in your wildest and most delusional hallucinations.
Francis Bellamy was a (gasp) SOCIALIST.
A Christian Socialist
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And "All of that bluster and bullshit" just to justify fealty to a few words written by a (gasp) SOCIALIST!
You need to consider something.
You haven't been banned yet, have you?
Nope.
Had one of us gone to the DUmp, and raised such a ruckus, what would happen?
You think about that.
You're not going to be banned just for your differing opinions.
You're gonna be whacked and spanked, but, that's it.
Seriously, think about it.
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A Christian Socialist
Until now a lot of Catholics were Christian socialists. Then owebuma showed his true colors, and dictated to the church how to conduct their matters of faith. The backlash will be enormous.
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"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
The Republic for which it stands represents a capitalist society. He may not have viewed it that way, but the words are powerful and most fitting for our children to recite. Note that students in many schools across the country also recite the school's mission/vision statement (and high school accreditation requirements mandate students learn it).
Indoctrination? Dude, it's everywhere. Listen for the helicopters cause they are coming...
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A Christian Socialist
A Christian Socialist who shared his association with the likes of Francis of Assisi, Pope Leo XIII, Leo Tolstoy, Desmond Tutu, Joseph Smith, Jr., AND Martin Luther King, Jr.
Liberals like to leave the "christian" part out.
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In West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, the Supreme Court ruled that requiring the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools violated the First and Fourteenth Amendments. The case grew out of West Virginia's passage of legislation requiring the pledge and flag-saluting. Lawmakers had intended them to be part of instruction on civics, history, and the Constitution, and they defined noncompliance as insubordination that was punishable by expulsion from school. Parents of expelled students were also subject to fines. After Jehovah's Witnesses students were expelled, their parents brought suit contending that the law infringed upon their religious beliefs, which they said required them not to engage in these secular practices.
The Supreme Court found two constitutional violations. The state law violated the Fourteenth Amendment's requirement of due process and the First Amendment's requirements of religious freedom and free speech upon the state. At heart, said the Court, were the principles of freedom of thought and government by consent. Critically, the majority observed a right of individuals to be free from official pressure to state a particular opinion, including that they honor their government. The opinion declared that "no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein."
article (http://www.enotes.com/education-reference/school-prayer-pledge-allegiance)
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After Jehovah's Witnesses students were expelled, their parents brought suit contending that the law infringed upon their religious beliefs, which they said required them not to engage in these secular practices.
EH?
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Are we hoping to influence DU in a positive direction?
NO. There is no influence over neanderthals. They dance around their campfire threads and we laugh at them.
That's the purpose of the DUmpster forum here at CC: We laugh at fools who profess to be wise.
There is no higher calling to this thread. We're just watching the antics at the monkey cage.
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article (http://www.enotes.com/education-reference/school-prayer-pledge-allegiance)
Reciting the pledge is not required anywhere. It is however required for students to learn and recite the school's mission statement.
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You need to consider something.
You haven't been banned yet, have you?
Nope.
Had one of us gone to the DUmp, and raised such a ruckus, what would happen?
You think about that.
You're not going to be banned just for your differing opinions.
You're gonna be whacked and spanked, but, that's it.
Seriously, think about it.
When I first came here I looked into a few of the subjects: Economics; Politics; General. I posted some responses to some of the posts, and started some threads. Some in the cabal here wanted to play JunkYardDog instead. I've been around the Web some. I can do JunkYardDog with the best.
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Some in the cabal here wanted to play JunkYardDog instead.
Have you given any thought to the game "Shifting Alliances"? If you want to win, then Trotsky is a poor role model. Stalin would be a better role model than Trotsky.
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When I first came here I looked into a few of the subjects: Economics; Politics; General. I posted some responses to some of the posts, and started some threads. Some in the cabal here wanted to play JunkYardDog instead. I've been around the Web some. I can do JunkYardDog with the best.
No, you can't.
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Have you given any thought to the game "Shifting Alliances"? If you want to win, then Trotsky is a poor role model. Stalin would be a better role model than Trotsky.
What does that have to do with anything?
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What does that have to do with anything?
Boo is just trolling again. Demonstrating why he got his a$$ kicked outa DU.
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A Christian Socialist
The troll is a Libtard...it's impossible for him to say or type the word Christian.
Besides...it messes up the meme.
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When I first came here I looked into a few of the subjects: Economics; Politics; General. I posted some responses to some of the posts, and started some threads. Some in the cabal here wanted to play JunkYardDog instead. I've been around the Web some. I can do JunkYardDog with the best.
By all means then, have at it.
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What's ingenius is to get one troll trolling on another troll. We must encourage this, then enjoy it when it happens.
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why he got his a$$ kicked outa DU.
The reason given was: "homophobe." The DU admins didn't say anything else.
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The reason given was: "homophobe." The DU admins didn't say anything else.
That's lib censorship for you.