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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Ballygrl on May 21, 2012, 07:13:29 PM
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I don't see it under Forums, any idea if it's gone? or hidden?
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Hmm. I think you might have to be a registered member to read it, when I do a search it tells me to log in.
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Hmm. I think you might have to be a registered member to read it, when I do a search it tells me to log in.
Must have been due to the whining and bickering, distracting from the concept of transparency.
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Well that sucks!
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The primatives don't like it when their dirty laundry is out there for all to see.
May have been the most comedic forums there.
No bother, they reveal themselves just as much on others.
A new born mole may be in the making.
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They must have see our musings on closing this forum and decided to get a jump start.
:panic:
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You have to log in to see them.
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Yep, it's been hidden.
Only franksolich's mole has access to it now, not franksolich himself; and of course other moles.
Too bad for the primitives.
What you see is a consequence of a little itty-bitty forum on a little itty-bitty conservative message board shining Light and Illumination on a great big forum on a great big primitive message board.
They want to hide.
We'll see how well that goes; it should be interesting as things evolve.
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DUmpmonkeys can't do anything right.
H&M was the only good thing about the new DUmp.
At least we still have Cooking, the loony bin, and GD.
Moles will have to bear the burden of carrying H&M craziness back here.
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Well damn. I loved that forum. But you know what could be fun? Having a registered mole have some of us post some of their threads. We can provide cover for the moles, and still get a laugh over their infighting and non-stop hurt feelings.
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Young and even old, moles will need to tread carefully when visiting the MEnTAl Help forum.
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What you see is a consequence of a little itty-bitty forum on a little itty-bitty conservative message board shining Light and Illumination on a great big forum on a great big primitive message board.
This is a textbook example of the Margaret Mead effect. I can't think of any other reason they would have hidden it from view.
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demmiblue
It appears that Help & Meta is now hidden from non-members.
I can't say that I blame the admins!
Just an FYI.
justiceischeap
1. Thank Dog!
It's bad enough that we see what's going on inside the walls of this group but to hang it out for the rest of the world to see... good decision by the admins!
Warren DeMontague
8. Cue influx of looky loo trolls in 3...2...1
But, pobably not a bad idea anyway.
Scout Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #8)
11. hopefully MIRT will get them quickly!
quinnox
21. this could even be an incentive for joining Du to see all the drama that goes on in this forum.
Rex
23. You should have to log in to see H&M imo.
Why else would anyone need that forum? Makes perfect sense.
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justiceischeap
1. Thank Dog!
It's bad enough that we see what's going on inside the walls of this group but to hang it out for the rest of the world to see... good decision by the admins!
Has this person admitted that DU has a bunch of kooks posting there?
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Has this person admitted that DU has a bunch of kooks posting there?
What goes on, on monkey island, stays on monkey island.
Or so they think. :-)
[edit]
forgot obligatory monkey fight vid:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmf5UyUu6K4&feature=related[/youtube]
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Does this mean that we need a subforum in the DUmpster that is strictly for H&M threads, a protected forum that only posters with a certain number of posts can see?
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This is a textbook example of the Margaret Mead effect. I can't think of any other reason they would have hidden it from view.
Right; the Margaret Mead phenomenon where primitives, once they're aware they're being observed, either change their conduct or hide it.
It's all anthropological; what we have here is that the primitives, having been infiltrated and all is falling apart around them (i.e., the current political environment), retreat further and further into the interior of the forest, huddled together in the darkness, sweating in fear.
It's happened since Time Immemorial.
While it presents--temporarily--a minor nuisance, it doesn't especially bother me, the hiding of the forum. I'm surprised my fellow alum Skins took so long to do it. I figured he would sooner or later, but I didn't think it would take this long.
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While it presents--temporarily--a minor nuisance, it doesn't especially bother me, the hiding of the forum. I'm surprised my fellow alum Skins took so long to do it. I figured he would sooner or later, but I didn't think it would take this long.
Honestly, I'm surprised he ever had it out in the open to begin with.
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Maybe now that Ban the GOP is a member here, he'll help his new forum buddies out by posting the funniest, craziest crap from Help and Meta?
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Honestly, I'm surprised he ever had it out in the open to begin with.
By the way, the next time a primitive alleges the DUmpster is meaningless, laugh in his face.
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Maybe now that Ban the GOP is a member here, he'll help his new forum buddies out by posting the funniest, craziest crap from Help and Meta?
Is that really him? or someone pretending to be him?
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By the way, the next time a primitive alleges the DUmpster is meaningless, laugh in his face.
Maybe we should start a 'Greatest Hits' subfolder in the DUmping Ground? Any walldudings, our buddy Omaha Steve, etc. would make a handy reference for any visiting primitives just how 'meaningless' the DUmpster is.
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Maybe we should start a 'Greatest Hits' subfolder in the DUmping Ground? Any walldudings, our buddy Omaha Steve, etc. would make a handy reference for any visiting primitives just how 'meaningless' the DUmpster is.
Well, it's obvious there's only one reason, or at least only one really big reason (with maybe a few smaller reasons) the primitives are in retreat into the dark interior of Skins's island.
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Is that really him? or someone pretending to be him?
Only one post. Very little invective. But I think it is him.
Maybe Skinner sent him a PM warning him off?
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Only one post. Very little invective. But I think it is him.
Maybe Skinner sent him a PM warning him off?
I hope he comes back to debate us.
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The DUmp has gone to hell in a handbasket.
Nutcase nadin, Imaboobi, dick inspector, Pam, catbox squatter Mike, rsmithnumbers, poor addled grasswipe, the LVL, wallduded cali, Socialist Steve, have nearly evaporated.
Even the intravenous junkie Taverner is relatively scarce, but I guess he's got an excuse.
Poor stupid Beth Ferrari is still around, but she's become so addled she's not much fun.
Are they shying away from attention?
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The DUmp has gone to hell in a handbasket.
Nutcase nadin, Imaboobi, dick inspector, Pam, catbox squatter Mike, rsmithnumbers, poor addled grasswipe, the LVL, wallduded cali, Socialist Steve, have nearly evaporated.
Even the intravenous junkie Taverner is relatively scarce, but I guess he's got an excuse.
Poor stupid Beth Ferrari is still around, but she's become so addled she's not much fun.
Are they shying away from attention?
Either that or the mental hospitals have a block on their computers so they can't access the site. Or mommy and daddy took away their computers for getting Cheetos on the keyboard after a hit or two on their bong
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Either that or the mental hospitals have a block on their computers so they can't access the site. Or mommy and daddy took away their computers for getting Cheetos on the keyboard after a hit or two on their bong
I'm thinking our buddy Steve isn't around because he has one of those cartoon-style sized bumps on his head from Marta's rolling pin after he didn't take frank's advice to stay away from the DUmp.
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Right; the Margaret Mead phenomenon where primitives, once they're aware they're being observed, either change their conduct or hide it.
It's all anthropological; what we have here is that the primitives, having been infiltrated and all is falling apart around them (i.e., the current political environment), retreat further and further into the interior of the forest, huddled together in the darkness, sweating in fear.
It's happened since Time Immemorial.
While it presents--temporarily--a minor nuisance, it doesn't especially bother me, the hiding of the forum. I'm surprised my fellow alum Skins took so long to do it. I figured he would sooner or later, but I didn't think it would take this long.
:lmao:
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Maybe now that Ban the GOP is a member here, he'll help his new forum buddies out by posting the funniest, craziest crap from Help and Meta?
It would be easy enough to hide moles as well.
All moles would have to do is send threads to other Cavers as PM's to post. A little drawn out, but easy enough to cover the "trail" so DUmmies couldn't backtrack on the threads to smoke out moles.
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It would be easy enough to hide moles as well.
All moles would have to do is send threads to other Cavers as PM's to post. A little drawn out, but easy enough to cover the "trail" so DUmmies couldn't backtrack on the threads to smoke out moles.
One could - or just set up the thread, and post it a day or two later.
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One could - or just set up the thread, and post it a day or two later.
Exactly--but whatever you do, remember OPSEC. I'm actually serious about this, in this instance. Whatever arrangements one makes, remember this little quote: "The chance of a secret being blown is proportional to the square of the number of people who know it." Sure, it was a fictional character (not to be confused with "a fictional spirit-guide") who said it, but it' s true nonetheless.
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I won't tell a soul if they want to send me a pm to post. O-)
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:lmao:
Well, yes.
Imagine Skins's island as a tropical island far out in sea, remote from any civilized area.
The primitives used to freely romp and play on the beaches, in the coves, and among the lesser foliage.
Well, the primitives have been found out--actually, they were found out a long time ago, but didn't know it--and scared, they're running into the deep dark forest in the middle of Skins's island, hoping to hide there. They're hiding in the darkness, huddled and sweating in fear; they don't want anybody to know they're there.
Well, we already know they're there, so whoop-whoop-de-doo.
This is also an analogy of the present political situation, by the way.
I suggest just about any book by Margaret Mead illuminates what happens when primitives try to hide; it's not pretty.
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The DUmp has gone to hell in a handbasket.
Nutcase nadin, Imaboobi, dick inspector, Pam, catbox squatter Mike, rsmithnumbers, poor addled grasswipe, the LVL, wallduded cali, Socialist Steve, have nearly evaporated.
Even the intravenous junkie Taverner is relatively scarce, but I guess he's got an excuse.
Poor stupid Beth Ferrari is still around, but she's become so addled she's not much fun.
Are they shying away from attention?
Again, I say for the third time, the next time a primitive says the decent and civilized people of the DUmpster are "meaningless" or "unimportant" or "irrelevant," laugh in their faces.
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Going to try something, and see if it works.
The following is just a test.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002715550
Tue May 22, 2012, 09:54 AM
warrior1 (6,964 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Our President
The President wears a wristband with the word "Willdabeast" on it during the national anthem at the 2012 Joplin High School commencement ceremony.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-last-year-in-joplin
:-) It worked.
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The forum's name has just been changed -- now "Meta Discussion". DUmmies don't deserve "Help" anymore, apparently! :lmao:
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The forum's name has just been changed -- now "Mental Discussion". DUmmies don't deserve "Help" anymore, apparently! :lmao:
Truth in advertising. :whistling:
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OK, I see -- new forum has been added. Meta will remain as the DU Bitchfest :-)
Skinner
New forum: Welcome & Help
We've created a new top-level forum called "Welcome & Help." The purpose of this forum is to welcome new DU members, to let members get to know one another, and to provide DU-specific help and support.
The Welcome & Help forum can be found here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1256
...and the forum's Statement of Purpose is:
Introduce yourself here! Meet and greet other DUers, share tips about DU, and get help in a positive, supportive environment. No whining about DU. People who create an unwelcoming atmosphere will be blocked from this forum.
Meanwhile, we have made some slight changes to the Help & Meta-discussion forum. Help & Meta-discussion has been renamed to Meta-discussion and it is now only available to logged-in members. We have also changed the Statement of Purpose slightly. The new Statement of Purpose for Meta-discussion is:
Discuss Democratic Underground policies and procedures. Second-guess decisions by Juries, Hosts, and Administrators. Work through problems between members. Discuss the DU Community Standards. Bemoan the current state of DU.
Thanks for your patience while we continue to work to improve DU.
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A proposal :
I propose creating a CC sockpuppet called 'MetaBOT' - MetaBOT can be accessible to one, or a select few members. The purpose of MetaBOT would be to receive PMs from CC Members with moles who will post a PM with a hot Meta topic in it. MetaBOT will then repost the topic *without* a link back to DU at a random time in the future. Once the post is made, MetaBOT will then delete the PM.
Then discussion, dissection, pointing, and laughing will proceed as normal.
I would be willing to man MetaBOT.
Of course, *DO NOT* expose your mole's ID to MetaBOT. The point of this exercise is to continue The DUmpster as if Meta ( and possible future forums) have never been made members only, and to thwart mole-hunting by randomizing Meta posting.
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A proposal :
I propose creating a CC sockpuppet called 'MetaBOT' - MetaBOT can be accessible to one, or a select few members. The purpose of MetaBOT would be to receive PMs from CC Members with moles who will post a PM with a hot Meta topic in it. MetaBOT will then repost the topic *without* a link back to DU at a random time in the future. Once the post is made, MetaBOT will then delete the PM.
Then discussion, dissection, pointing, and laughing will proceed as normal.
I would be willing to man MetaBOT.
Of course, *DO NOT* expose your mole's ID to MetaBOT. The point of this exercise is to continue The DUmpster as if Meta ( and possible future forums) have never been made members only, and to thwart mole-hunting by randomizing Meta posting.
I LIKE IT!!!! :II:
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A proposal :
I propose creating a CC sockpuppet called 'MetaBOT' - MetaBOT can be accessible to one, or a select few members. The purpose of MetaBOT would be to receive PMs from CC Members with moles who will post a PM with a hot Meta topic in it. MetaBOT will then repost the topic *without* a link back to DU at a random time in the future. Once the post is made, MetaBOT will then delete the PM.
Then discussion, dissection, pointing, and laughing will proceed as normal.
I would be willing to man MetaBOT.
Of course, *DO NOT* expose your mole's ID to MetaBOT. The point of this exercise is to continue The DUmpster as if Meta ( and possible future forums) have never been made members only, and to thwart mole-hunting by randomizing Meta posting.
From what I see, no need.
Open new window. Copy/paste into WinWord (or similar).
Bounce back into wherever you wish to be, then copy/paste from there, in msg block.
I don't think txt or doc files carry tracking. Might be wrong about that. I'll find out.
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From what I see, no need.
Open new window. Copy/paste into WinWord (or similar).
Bounce back into wherever you wish to be, then copy/paste from there, in msg block.
I don't think txt or doc files carry tracking. Might be wrong about that. I'll find out.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's more a matter of seeing when the thread was accessed and by what members (since you have to be logged in), and then narrowing it down from those choices.
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From what I see, no need.
Open new window. Copy/paste into WinWord (or similar).
Bounce back into wherever you wish to be, then copy/paste from there, in msg block.
I don't think txt or doc files carry tracking. Might be wrong about that. I'll find out.
Its less a matter of tracking, its a matter of timing.
example :
Meta post goes up a 8:00PM EST.
Meta post ends up on CC at 8:05PM EST
at 8:06, a half dozen links from CC find their way to DU.
As a small time webhost and systems admin, I could figure it out. And I am certain that DU's folks could too.
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's more a matter of seeing when the thread was accessed and by what members (since you have to be logged in), and then narrowing it down from those choices.
Exactly - Meta is now is now a giant mole trap. If we are going to play with the forum, we need to adapt our methods slightly.
with MetaBOT, and a few who can access it, suggested threads would be posted at whatever time one of MetaBOT's controllers decide to post. And by not linking back to DU, it would prevent users from clicking straight through, and marking themselves in the process.
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Meta is now is now a giant mole trap. If we are going to play with the forum, we need to adapt our methods slightly.
Why not have an informal rule that there should be at least two hours between the posting of something in DU's Meta Discussion Forum, and its posting at Conservative Cave? The DU administrators wouldn't know when in the two hour period a mole had accessed the post. Ideally, the time of access would be randomized to avoid detection by DU administrators.
The word "mole" might not even be appropriate here. Somebody who provides others with indirect access to the DU Meta Discussion Forum doesn't have to post any messages. Given that DU is offering to members of the general public an opportunity to register, and given that DU has rules (aka "Legal stuff": terms of service and privacy policy), it is possible that various members of the general public might like to know something about the nature of DU's rules in practice.