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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: franksolich on May 18, 2012, 08:45:34 AM
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002700165
Oh my.
brettdale (6,904 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
Why does the media want Zimmerman to be found not guilty?
I owe a (23 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. hmmm
it proves Jesus rode a dinosaur?
MrSlayer (18,379 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. Do you get that sense?
I don't know that I do. I have only seen one tv report on it amazingly and it seemed fair. I still see it as a 50/50 situation in court.
dkf (27,781 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. If the defense can get the witnesses to testify that was Zimmerman screaming
I think it will be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was not in fear of his life.
I guess the prosecution will have to prove Zimmerman illegally profiled Martin and therefore has no right to self defense?
pinboy3niner (19,181 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. We already know of an eyewitness who says it was Trayvon was screaming for help
The prosecution has more avenues than the one you suggest. They don't "have" to prove your point.
As much as you may try to constrain them, they have far more latitude than you suggest.
dkf (27,781 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. The two in the released info both said it was Zimmerman.
In the articles I've seen, there isn't a witness saying it was Martin. Martin's parents lawyers are relying on "ear witnesses" who say they thought it was a young person screaming, but I would think eye witnesses are better for ID.
Also Tracy Martin didn't ID the voice as being his son.
sendero (23,665 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. Electronically..
.... I'm 99% sure it is ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE to determine who was screaming.
And personally, as I have said all along, the entire case hinges on that fact.
KansDem (21,897 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
22. I tend to agree...
...the entire case hinges on that fact.
Voice prints and filtering techniques have been around for decades. I'm surprised the media hasn't been reporting extensively on this, perhaps offering reports on past cases that were solved using this technology.
I know it was fiction but I was intrigued with the plot from "The Conversation" (1974) with Gene Hackman and how he was able to electronically manipulate a recorded conversation so that he could hear the words clearly that were originally muddled by distracting noise. Fiction? Yes, but the movie was made 38 years ago and I doubt if it strayed too far from what could have been done at the time.
And that was 38 years ago.
I tend to believe both sides of the Z-Man case know who it really was, but won't say in fear of tainting their trail strategies...
pinboy3niner (19,181 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. Perhaps you haven't been following closely...
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 1:07 AM EDT, Sat April 7, 2012
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Who yelled for help?
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"From the very beginning and I still do feel that it was the young boy," the witness, who wants to remain anonymous, told CNN Friday.
The witness lives in the apartment complex where the shooting occurred and saw the incident through her window.
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When pressed if she could determine who was yelling, the witness said "it was the younger, youthful voice (rather) than it was the deep voice I heard when they were arguing."
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/07/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
The video of this CNN interview is here:
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2012/04/07/ac-trayvon-martin-eyewitness.cnn
This has been posted here multiple times. Strange that you missed it...
randome (3,823 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. "...I still do feel..."
That's not going to work at trial.
pinboy3niner (19,181 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
11. Thanks for your concern...
...but her eyewitness testimony on the witness stand is what will count, not her phrasing in a media interview.
How can you tell that her testimony won't "work at trial" when the trial hasn't begun and she hasn't yet testified?
TBF (15,583 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. Your Zimmerman is an adult who was stalking an unarmed child.
Spin, spin, spin ... but you can not change that fact. If he had stayed in his vehicle like 911 told him to none of this would've happened.
Junkdrawer (24,278 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. Tempering the reaction to the inevitable verdict....
Between police foul ups, the prosecution's unwillingness to look in to official misconduct, and the nature of the district where the trial will be held, I don't see much hope for a conviction.
randome (3,823 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
10. It's a more interesting story?
From the standpoint of reporting on something that viewers will want to hear more and more about if only to be outraged.
But I don't think the media has been that biased in this case so far.
Uh, I think the media's been very biased in this case so far, rooting for the late adopted son of the Magic One.
SDjack (122 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. If Zimmie is found "not guilty", that will encourage more SYG killings, and those stories increase sales of newspapers and TV time.
Arkana (20,805 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
20. If Zimmerman is found not guilty, it's going to be like the jury found OJ Simpson not guilty.
Legally he was exonerated, but everyone will know he did it.
razorman (1,143 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
21. I don't think they are even using SYG as a defense, are they?
When this incident first came to light, there was talk of 'Stand Your Ground' as a factor, but I haven't actually heard of it being officially used. I could be wrong, though. Does it really have any bearing here?
spanone (63,721 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. i do not consider faux as part of the media
Well, whoop-whoop-de-do.
The spandex primitive doesn't consider Fox News as part of the media.
La-la-de-da.
Who cares what the spandex primitive considers?
Iggo (18,921 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. Because riots make for great video.
ScreamingMeemie (59,652 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
17. I really believe they know they are attempting to stoke the flames.
Pot, meet kettle.
DonCoquixote (3,485 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
15. Blood = Gold
It's why the media has done nothing to slow down the war machine. No offense meant to Jews, Armenians, or any other genocide victims, but if the media found way to make money off of concentration camps, they would.
leveymg (21,885 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
16. 1) maintenance of class/race relations; 2) social violence has entertainment value
That can only happen on terms acceptable to a conservative institution, such as corporate-owned media, if white men with guns are allowed to continue shooting black youths in hoodies with impunity.
Armed vigilantes, such as Zimmerman, are characters in an eternal morality play that is supposed to teach us lowly consumers of TV news how to maintain our proper place in society - that includes obedience to men with guns. Note the central role of ABC in releasing exculpatory evidence. A conviction would undermine that narrative, and might deter future spontaneous violence against lower-class Black youths. Programmed acts of social violence not only "sells newspapers", it keeps money and power in the hands of the One Percent, and many reporters seem to relish working these racially-tinged crime stories to death. Look at the OJ Simpson spectacle.
As for race/class, and the role of individuals that's become more complex, and more difficult to handle in recent decades. There is still racial avarice at work in this narrative ("F-cking coons), but it is no longer acceptable to attack an adult black man wearing a suit or in uniform, as it was in the '50s in many parts of the US. There's a reason that Obama is rarely seen in public without his trademark power suit. That signifies his elevated status as a non-target, which maintains the existing power structure, despite his race.
I know that's very dry and academic, but it's also the answer that fits your question.
It's dry, but it's not very academic.
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spanone (63,721 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. i do not consider faux as part of the media
He probably sits in his parents basement masturbating to MSNBC all day. *Oh, Al Sharpton is calling someone else a racist, toss, toss, moan, moan, grunt, squirt*
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why do the primitives want to find Zimmerman guilty?
To make themselves feel morally superior for "defending" an african-american, no matter what the truth is.
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why do the primitives want to find Zimmerman guilty?
Every porno needs a money shot, my friend.
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To make themselves feel morally superior for "defending" an african-american, no matter what the truth is.
Actually DU wants--NEEDS--a Zimmerman acquittal.
It's to defend Obama.
Obama can't succeed because America is so racist it cannot tolerate a black man in the White House and that bigotry is so institutionalized it strangles his every effort before it can bare fruit and the proof of this is police will allow white men to stalk and execute unarmed cherub-faced black children without so much as questioning their motives let alone convict in a court of law.
All this bullshit skewing of evidence is because they know there's no evidence. What they need is a narrative of "Nobody heeded our evidence...because America is racist!"
The more racism and injustice there is the more empowered they feel. If it doesn't exist they will manufacture or inflict it.
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The more racism and injustice there is the more empowered they feel. If it doesn't exist they will manufacture or inflict it.
Which is what Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, that stupid congresswoman, NBC, and MSNBC did. Now the libtards are gulping it up like a porn star gulps up (well you know.)
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Apparently a detective was wanting to charge Zimmerman initially, for not leaving the area when 911 told him it was better to break it off. Actually the correct analysis would be to question who initiated the confrontation, not to pre-emptively restrict Zimmerman's right to move freely in his own community and find that to be the cause to charge him.
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Apparently a detective was wanting to charge Zimmerman initially, for not leaving the area when 911 told him it was better to break it off. Actually the correct analysis would be to question who initiated the confrontation, not to pre-emptively restrict Zimmerman's right to move freely in his own community and find that to be the cause to charge him.
I think the fault in this case can be traced to one ineluctable point, a single critical failing which, in its presence, would have avoided the entire tragedy: the 911 operator failed to say "Simon Says".
After all, since 911 operators have neither the context to assess an unfolding situation nor the authority to demand a particular action, their role is largely logistical.
See also "Twister Color Caller".
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Which is what Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, that stupid congresswoman, NBC, and MSNBC did. Now the libtards are gulping it up like a porn star gulps up (well you know.)
Imagine one day blacks, whites, hispanics, muslims, jews, buddhists, rich, poor etc coming together and singing, "I'd like to buy the world a Coke..."
Realize how suddenly, immediately and absolutely powerless the Left would become.
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Imagine one day blacks, whites, hispanics, muslims, jews, buddhists, rich, poor etc coming together and singing, "I'd like to buy the world a Coke..."
Realize how suddenly, immediately and absolutely powerless the Left would become.
I think you would see that if the left wasn't trying to pit every race, color, and creed against each other.
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Imagine one day blacks, whites, hispanics, muslims, jews, buddhists, rich, poor etc coming together and singing, "I'd like to buy the world a Coke..."
Realize how suddenly, immediately and absolutely powerless the Left would become.
It starts female, all white, then expands to hit all the favored minorities...
It's the real thing ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2msbfN81Gm0)
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I think you would see that if the left wasn't trying to pit every race, color, and creed against each other.
And I believe the left is just as conscious of that fact.
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And I believe the left is just as conscious of that fact.
Of course they know. That is how they survive. Their main objective is to get people fighting among each other so they can increase their power. It has always been that way.
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Very simply they want a racial component tied to everyday life,they don`t give a rats backside about Trayvon,they just want it established that America is racist and they are the ones to undo that.
They are hoping to equate being a dem with being inherently non racist..."see,it was us that recognized the racisim here and corrected it by throwing a man in prison".
Trying to play on white guilt and say that anyone who opposes them for any reason is automatically racist.
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Very simply they want a racial component tied to everyday life,they don`t give a rats backside about Trayvon,they just want it established that America is racist and they are the ones to undo that.
They are hoping to equate being a dem with being inherently non racist..."see,it was us that recognized the racisim here and corrected it by throwing a man in prison".
Trying to play on white guilt and say that anyone who opposes them for any reason is automatically racist.
But to a libtard, it is only the republicans/conservatives who are racist. Which is why it shocked me that they didn't let up when they found out that Zimmerman is a registered democrat.
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MrSlayer (18,379 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. Do you get that sense?
I don't know that I do. I have only seen one tv report on it amazingly and it seemed fair. I still see it as a 50/50 situation in court.
Hmmmm... A DUmmie that is at least trying to be honest and has not eaten the Skittles. What is the world coming to?
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I think they're racist assholes! They're want to convict an Hispanic Democrat with a black great grandmother. He's NOT 1/32 black, he's 1/8 black (I think, math isn't my forte) I mean if 0bama is black because he has a black parent & he self-identifies as black shouldn't Zimmerman be accorded the same leeway? Pathetic that they're still trying to stir up a race war on the backs of minorities. They should be ashamed!
Cindie
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"why do the primitives want to find Zimmerman guilty?"
They need a victory. Badly. And in this case, if Zimmerman walks, then Obama has even more egg on his face over injecting his opinions into matters that don't concern him.
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"why do the primitives want to find Zimmerman guilty?"
They need a victory. Badly. And in this case, if Zimmerman walks, then Obama has even more egg on his face over injecting his opinions into matters that don't concern him.
Not only victory, diversion, and more white guilt.
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I think they're racist assholes! They're want to convict an Hispanic Democrat with a black great grandmother. He's NOT 1/32 black, he's 1/8 black (I think, math isn't my forte) I mean if 0bama is black because he has a black parent & he self-identifies as black shouldn't Zimmerman be accorded the same leeway? Pathetic that they're still trying to stir up a race war on the backs of minorities. They should be ashamed!
Cindie
I wonder what the minimum black heritage one must have for the DUmmies to completely ignore the fact that one was involved in a killing. We have evidence every weekend that couldn't care less when a black person kills a black person - compare Chicago, for example. Zimmerman's greatest shortcoming isn't that he shot someone...it's that he wasn't black enough to get away with it.
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I wonder what the minimum black heritage one must have for the DUmmies to completely ignore the fact that one was involved in a killing. We have evidence every weekend that couldn't care less when a black person kills a black person - compare Chicago, for example. Zimmerman's greatest shortcoming isn't that he shot someone...it's that he wasn't black enough to get away with it.
I read Walter Williams' column a lot, and ran across this:
http://www.creators.com/opinion/walter-williams.html
“…Each year, roughly 7,000 blacks are murdered. Ninety-four percent of the time, the murderer is another black person….â€
“…A much larger issue is how might we interpret the deafening silence about the day-to-day murder in black communities compared with the national uproar over the killing of Trayvon Martin. Such a response by politicians, civil rights organizations and the mainstream news media could easily be interpreted as "blacks killing other blacks is of little concern, but it's unacceptable for a white to kill a black person."
His column is titlled "A Minority View" and will never be quoted in DU, but is often quite interesting.
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When did the media ever take the side of George and not lie about, the little angel anxiously awaiting taking his SATs, Martin's role?
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why do the primitives want to find Zimmerman guilty?
A couple of reasons. First, according to DUmmies, blacks are the ultimate victim, beyond women, beyond GLBTXSOMB&#s, even beyond Native Americans, and all of DUmmy thinking revolves around a victim/oppressor mindset. So any ill fate that befalls a black at the hands of a person of any other race is by default the responsibility of the non-black person.
Second, it being an election year they hope to galvanize the vote of the black community and the mushy middle by creating a framing that states in effect that, "You gotta re-elect Obama or Teh Ebil White Men and their gunz will have their way and a million Zimmerman's will be out filling the gated community streets with the blood of minorities!!11!1eleventyone!!11
Or something like that.
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They's jus' haters, is why.
:fuelfire:
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A couple of reasons. First, according to DUmmies, blacks are the ultimate victim, beyond women, beyond GLBTXSOMB&#s, even beyond Native Americans, and all of DUmmy thinking revolves around a victim/oppressor mindset. So any ill fate that befalls a black at the hands of a person of any other race is by default the responsibility of the non-black person.
Second, it being an election year they hope to galvanize the vote of the black community and the mushy middle by creating a framing that states in effect that, "You gotta re-elect Obama or Teh Ebil White Men and their gunz will have their way and a million Zimmerman's will be out filling the gated community streets with the blood of minorities!!11!1eleventyone!!11
Or something like that.
But DU doesn't even care about black people. They care about LOOKING like they care about black people, and they hate themselves because 97% of them are honkeys. Put those two together and you get a 20pc order of Rage McNuggets, complete with More Progressive Than Thou Dipping Sauce.
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But DU doesn't even care about black people. They care about LOOKING like they care about black people, and they hate themselves because 97% of them are honkeys. Put those two together and you get a 20pc order of Rage McNuggets, complete with More Progressive Than Thou Dipping Sauce.
I don't know why, but after reading this I got a craving for Kentucky Fried Chicken.