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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Skul on May 09, 2012, 11:49:23 PM
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It's been a few years, so some of you may remember better than I.
As I recall, a few decades ago, there were two deductions from paychecks.
Social security and income tax.
The social security could be used as a deduction for figuring income tax.
Somewhere along, the medicare/medicaid tax came along, and it wasn't deductable.
Shortly after, social security was no longer a deduction.
I've paid into that system my entire life, and I feel I have earned some of the benifits it provides.
Now, let's take a look at the op.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002667944
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:20 PM
dballance (737 posts)
STOP calling it an entitlement
I've paid the FICA and medicare taxes since before I had a job at a company that handed me a check. I paid FICA even back when I was a teen-ager and raising soy beans and cattle on the farm. It was pretty much a cash business but my dad made us file tax returns and pay the self-employment taxes because that was the right thing to do. no problem there, I understand
So I've been paying into Social Security and Medicare for the last 30+ years. That means if I get SS benefits I'm not getting a hand out aka "entitlement." I'm getting earned benefits for which I have paid. Nope, you actually earned it
So GOP, stop demonizing a program that will pay out to people who paid into it as an investment for all their working life. We don't
And Democrats, please get a clue and re-frame the argument. You won't lose by insisting people get the benefits for which they paid over their life as workers. Correct the GOP and tell them SS and Medicare are NOT entitlements. I've paid for them. No, they ARE entitlements, you earned them
DUmmie imballance, read this carefully.
I have no problem with those that work and pay into the system.
My issue is with your whiney little lazy bastages that refuse to work, and then demand entitlements.
Do the owsies ring a bell?
It's the fraud and lies of the leechs that cause the problems, not the working man.
It's the border jumpers that run here and demand money and benefits that I have worked my life for, and get reduced to pay for those stinking deadbeats.
Response to dballance (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:22 PM
Lionessa (1,784 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. I say this till I'm blue in the face, here, in ID, and Vanc, WA....
Same thing with unemployment. I'm so tired of hearing folks who pay this out of their paychecks, one of the taxes they never stop bitching about, and yet somehow it's "welfare"
The employer is taxed, not you, DUmbass.
Response to dballance (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:23 PM
msongs (26,080 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. Earned rewards, Earned benefits, return on investment - lots of other things to call it nt
Do you understand what you just typed? :rotf:
Response to dballance (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2012, 09:33 PM
NYC_SKP (40,590 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. Ask California Teachers, We call it a Rip-Off in the making....
I am led to believe that upon retiring with a mix of just 20 years in teaching that the 30 years in SS FICA contributions will not be returned to me; that I cannot collect both (there are a few exceptions0.
I'm angered, but never planned to retire so what the hell, whatever.
But if I can't get anything out from 30+ years paying in, it's a Rip Off.
Trying to figure this one out. You work as a teacher for twenty years and want full thirty year payout of full pay and benefits the rest of your life. Correct?
I'll bet you're the type that pitches a hissy if a twenty year military man retires and only draws fifty percent of his base pay.
You're an entitlement whore.
Response to dballance (Original post)
Wed May 9, 2012, 10:05 PM
dionysus (20,781 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. jesus christ, not again.. you just DEFINED the word entitlement...look up the word in the dictionary
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You're only entitled to stuff you've earned, DUmbass.
It's the "entitlement" programs that people receive for doing nothing, that enable them to continue doing nothing, that get us all in a huff.
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You're an entitlement whore.
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I heart you so much! :cheersmate:
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You're an entitlement whore.
:lmao:
I heart you so much! :cheersmate:
Oh hell yes. :cheersmate:
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Any payroll deduction is fully earned by the employee, regardless of the split between the employee and the employer. It is a cost and an expense of hiring the employee in question, and part of their total compensation, although they may never see or experience the full extent of their compensation.
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Any payroll deduction is fully earned by the employee, regardless of the split between the employee and the employer. It is a cost and an expense of hiring the employee in question, and part of their total compensation, although they may never see or experience the full extent of their compensation.
Very true. That amount does not show uo on the employees form, it is borne buy the employer.
With the Obamessia in office, how long before we are taxed on that?
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Any payroll deduction is fully earned by the employee, regardless of the split between the employee and the employer. It is a cost and an expense of hiring the employee in question, and part of their total compensation, although they may never see or experience the full extent of their compensation.
Point taken, but please take a look at your paystub. What do you pay into FICA? Multiply that by 99 weeks of unemployment at an average of $400 per week. Did you really pay enough to cover that if you worked 2 years....5 years.....even 10 years? I say not even close. THAT is an entitlement.
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Point taken, but please take a look at your paystub. What do you pay into FICA? Multiply that by 99 weeks of unemployment at an average of $400 per week. Did you really pay enough to cover that if you worked 2 years....5 years.....even 10 years? I say not even close. THAT is an entitlement.
I've never collected entitlement. And don't forget the earning power of the same money in some safe investment. The rule of 72 says an investment earning 10% will double every 7.2 years. Einstein called compound interest the 8th wonder of the world !
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I breathe therefore I'm entitled...........that's the DUmmie attitude.
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I breathe therefore I'm entitled to your money...........that's the DUmmie attitude.
Fixed for accuracy.
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So long as the amount you take is equal to or less than the amount you paid in it's yours.
If you take out more than you paid in it's somebody else's.
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Any payroll deduction is fully earned by the employee, regardless of the split between the employee and the employer. It is a cost and an expense of hiring the employee in question, and part of their total compensation, although they may never see or experience the full extent of their compensation.
That is what pisses me off about the public employee unions defined benefit plans. SS forces you to pay 12.8% (until 0bama started his great defunding scheme in 2010) yet the PUE's put in 4% to get ten times the payout and bitch to the moon.
SSB, you should also get that compound interest on your 12.8% every year they steal too.
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You say steal, owebuma says spread the wealth around.
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Point taken, but please take a look at your paystub. What do you pay into FICA? Multiply that by 99 weeks of unemployment at an average of $400 per week. Did you really pay enough to cover that if you worked 2 years....5 years.....even 10 years? I say not even close. THAT is an entitlement.
$400/week? Are ya shittin' me? I've never got more than $250 in Idaho! Where the hell do I need to move to get $400? 'Course we're a right to work state, that might have sumpin' to do with it. I'd rather get $250 than have those pricks dictating our work force!