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Wed May 9, 2012, 04:19 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
And the next step should be a complete separation
of marriage from the churches, synagogues and other religious institutions, including the FSM.
You want to marry... no matter what your sexual orientation... the one the state will recognize... at city hall. or at home with a JUDGE or other representative of the STATE. What in other places around the world is called a civil marriage, not what passes for one here. And if you want to be married in a church, synagogue, what have you... fine... AFTER the state marries you... and the religious marriage has zero standing before the state. Nor are clergy any longer authorized by the state to marry you.
This also means a complete separation of this civil function from the religious function.
I expect a lot of buts, but before you do, the reason why church members still do it is because county judges did not get often to isolated towns during the frontier years... methinks we have breached that problem, just a thought.
Oh and before screams come, read how this works in OTHER COUNTRIES with a real tough separation of church and state.
Please.
Oh and state rights is code for suppression of civil rights.
Oh, how about because that's the way we like it. We can get married before the judge or the justice of the peace, who might even utter a prayer before the ceremony (horrors!) We can get married by whomever they state has recognized to sign the document. You like the way the old country does things? GO BACK!
to notadmblnd (Reply #1)
Wed May 9, 2012, 04:45 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. But your clergy still has the authority to say those famous words
under the authority of the state of I declare you husband and wife. This is what needs to be removed, period.
That is the final step.
How about we remove the state's authority? We could do that just as easy. That wouldn't suit your red diaper ass, would it?
Response to derby378 (Reply #7)
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:06 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. And that can still happen
I know more about Jewish ceremonies and this done in Mexico where the Justice of the Peace marries you before the state on Tuesday and the Rabbi Saturday night or Sunday matters little. To the extremely religious folks, yup, we have them... consecration is also done at the Temple... before elders. go ahead, EWWW.
I don't care how they do things in that shithole you call Mexico. I do care that you always talk about how the old country is so superior. GO HOME!
MadHound (Reply #10)
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:04 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. Your civil ceremony could be conducted under a wide open sky
and why? There are many reasons... that are well beyond what people understand here. It is like when I am told Obama is a socialist... well no, not really.
Removing this completely from religious leaders takes some of their power away.
Well do try to educate us poor ignorant benighted gringos. Actually we understand all too well. You are holding Mexico, seriously MEXICO, as some beacon that we should emulate. GO HOME!
MadHound (Reply #20)
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:36 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
22. I guess Mexicans, who is your closest neighbor to practice this
are not religious? This will come as news to them... Indeed it will, in ways you have no idea. And yes Mexico is actually MORE religious than the United States... but they do practice a strict separation of church and state. It might be a surprise to you, we don't.
Priests, Rabies, Imams and left handed widgets stil practice very religious ceremonies, following each and all strictures of their respective faiths. They just don't say the magic words.
I guess you really have no idea how this works.
It is time for people to expand their horizons.
This falls in the category, quite honestly, of the Presiden is a damn socialist, communist, fascist...
Really.
Have a good day.
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Oh, really! I'll give you this. Mexicans are a religous people. A religous people that have suffered under a kleptocratic government operating under a socialist constitution that waged war against religion and god. What have they got for that? Quite frankly, a country that is good to be from. This what you think we should be. I don't care where you've been or what you've done Nadine, if you think that Mexico deserves emulation by the United States, then GTFO!
madinmaryland (Reply #21)
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:39 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. It happens around the world, outside our borders, regularly
and nobody gets really hurt... or pained over it.
But yes, that is essentially how this works in more places than you care to imagine.
Who cares?
Johonny (Reply #26)
Wed May 9, 2012, 06:00 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,692 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
30. Dd not say scrap the religious part
Just remove the civil authority from your religious leader.
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You're fellow DUmmies think you're an idiot. Isn't it about time to delete the thread?
nadinbrzezinski (Reply #30)
Wed May 9, 2012, 06:02 PM
zappaman (4,632 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
32. You should re-read your OP then.
Although I wouldn't be shocked if even YOU didn't understand half the things you post!
She understands muy bueno! America bad, Mexico good!
sufrommich (Reply #23)
Wed May 9, 2012, 06:01 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,692 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
31. Exactly, but the civil ceremony shoud be completely separate.
I tell you what Nadine. GO HOME! Maybe you can find some peons that will let you spread your infinite wisdom to them. It is neither needed nor desired here.
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Isn't there 6 meters of hail with nadin's name on it waiting for her in Mexico ?
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Typical lib logic. If the people do not vote your way, then libs must punish the people.
Hey, DU! That is not how it works in a democracy. Here the people dictate to YOU.
Sore losers. 31 states lost.
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nadinbrzezinski
You want to marry... no matter what your sexual orientation...
That's not how it works. Marriage was ordained by God and is between a male and a female. Outside of that definition, there is no marriage. A gov't can call same sex unions "marriage," but it's not, nor will it ever be. In fact, the proper term for it would be "fornication" because it's a sexual union between two individuals who don't have the right to have sexual relations.
Only libs can take the simple and try to make it complex. Changing the definition of "marriage" won't work. You still have to answer for it eventually, and it won't be pretty for you.
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Uh Nads, it doesn't matter a flying fig who performs the ceremony doll. It's the LICENSE to marry that matters. Mmmmkay?
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I guess when Massachussetts recognizes my CCP from Kansas, I will recongnize their civil unions. At least I have the 2nd amendment on my side...
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Priests, Rabies, Imams and left handed widgets stil practice very religious ceremonies, following each and all strictures of their respective faiths. They just don't say the magic words.
I thought the nutcase was Jewish.
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I thought the nutcase was Jewish.
A lapsed one.
The deal is, nadin thinks she's smarter than, better than, all those who came before her, and so discarded the faith that had sustained and nourished them throughout the centuries.
Rather presumptuous of her to think so, and in a way she's paying for it.
No one who disavows his specific ethnic, cultural, or spiritual forebears is ever happy, because such disavowal is ultimately the disavowal of one's own self.
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These pictures are friggen creepy and not because they are semi-stalkerish... :rofl:
On a side note, by is she ALWAYS alone?
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These pictures are friggen creepy and not because they are semi-stalkerish... :rofl:
On a side note, by is she ALWAYS alone?
She isn't alone in that picture. She is with all of her friends. (imaginary ones)
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I thought the nutcase was Jewish.
Even jewish folks can get rabies. Of course I pity the rabid animal that would bite her and make the transfer.
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Not exactly what you'd call an American Jewish Princess.
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Not exactly what you'd call an American Jewish Princess.
Jewish American Pachyderm ?
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These pictures are friggen creepy and not because they are semi-stalkerish... :rofl:
On a side note, by is she ALWAYS alone?
The picture's shown as a public service, for the good of humanity.
If nadin were of sweet temperament, of mellow personality, of beautiful humility, of undying patience, one would "see" the subject differently, all the bad points minimized or obliterated entirely.
You yourself, madam, I imagine are considered "good looking," but I think you "look good" because of the qualities of kindness, indulgence, compassion, toleration, and enduring some rough bumps in life, in your character, not your body. These things influence the way one's eyes see you.
nadin's one of those rare instances where both the inner being and the outer body exactly coincide; that of a stunted malevolent arrogant personality and body.
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Somewhere in Mexico there is a blanket with a hole in it that is missing your head poking through it, Nads.
Why don't you go there and occupy it?
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The picture's shown as a public service, for the good of humanity.
If nadin were of sweet temperament, of mellow personality, of beautiful humility, of undying patience, one would "see" the subject differently, all the bad points minimized or obliterated entirely.
You yourself, madam, I imagine are considered "good looking," but I think you "look good" because of the qualities of kindness, indulgence, compassion, toleration, and enduring some rough bumps in life, in your character, not your body. These things influence the way one's eyes see you.
nadin's one of those rare instances where both the inner being and the outer body exactly coincide; that of a stunted malevolent arrogant personality and body.
What a sweet comment, to me. :wink: Thanks Frank! :)
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That's not how it works. Marriage was ordained by God and is between a male and a female. Outside of that definition, there is no marriage. A gov't can call same sex unions "marriage," but it's not, nor will it ever be. In fact, the proper term for it would be "fornication" because it's a sexual union between two individuals who don't have the right to have sexual relations.
Only libs can take the simple and try to make it complex. Changing the definition of "marriage" won't work. You still have to answer for it eventually, and it won't be pretty for you.
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Not to mention that churches (or whatever religion is recognized/sanctioned by the state) have been performing marriages since FOREVER! :hammer:
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You yourself, madam, I imagine are considered "good looking," but I think you "look good" because of the qualities of kindness, indulgence, compassion, toleration, and enduring some rough bumps in life, in your character, not your body.
What a sweet comment, to me. :wink: Thanks Frank! :)
Frank's a nice guy.
For the rest of us, that other stuff is OK, but the "not your body" line doesn't apply. In fact, the "body" part is the most important.
Thank you and have a wonderful evening.
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nadin's one of those rare instances where both the inner being and the outer body exactly coincide; that of a stunted malevolent arrogant personality and body.
In both physique and personality, she's the DUmp's Jabba the Hutt.
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Nadine, just take your ass back to Mexico for good.
You realize of course...it will take a few trips, right? :whatever:
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That guy is kind of creepy looking. :rotf:
Like they say, beauty is skin deep, but ugly is to the bone.
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Damn, Frank hit on BEG. I DON"T BLAME HIM. :-)
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Wait a minute:
To the extremely religious folks, yup, we have them... consecration is also done at the Temple... before elders. go ahead, EWWW.
Did Nadin just confuse "consummate" and "consecrate?"
:lmao: Before the elders.... :rotf: Does she really believe that?
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Wait a minute:
Did Nadin just confuse "consummate" and "consecrate?"
:lmao: Before the elders.... :rotf: Does she really believe that?
She's an expert on the Warren Jeffs cult.
Wait...did you just put "nadin" and "consummate" in the same sentence?
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Yeah, but you don't have to do it.
I just read through the thread, and it ends as it always does. With Nadin not being able to defend her position, so she insults, sulks, and adds to the iggy list. At the end of the thread, it dawns on a few that just because Obama said that, it doesn't make it the law of the land. Nadin's wording in the OP "The Next Step should be...." implies that dictator-in-chief just made gay marriage legal, coast to coast.
A few DUmmies are aware that he just said this, then deferred to the states. That inconvenient fact would have spoiled their orgy though.
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Codeine to nads
53. 'Well beyond what people understand here," -- except you, right?
View profile
You have the lock on wisdom.
:rotf: :rotf:
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What's the term foe people that think they are experts in everything? Nadinobrains has gone far beyond that. And yeah get the **** out Nads.
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Nadin, like most (not all) liberal women, is a ugly little troll. Not to mention an extremely retarded one.
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To me, the religious aspect of marriage is more important than state recognition. Why should I be forced to take the time to have an "official" state wedding in addition to a proper wedding?
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Oh my. ~The Frank
MadHound (30,824 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
42. Separation of church and state?
I think that with our current setup, church and state are actually well separated. You can get married by a person, who either is or isn't a church official, and they perform the nuptial ceremony. Your marriage is legally recognized by the state when that piece of paper, the marriage license, is filed.
You really don't get this, do you. You are letting your irrationality blind you to the legal facts of marriage. I can(hypothetically speaking if I were single) go to any priest or minister in this country, have them perform the full marriage ceremony word for word, and it still wouldn't mean that I am legally married. The only way that occurs is if I sign that piece of paper provided by the state. Contrariwise, my partner and I can sign that piece of paper, that's it, nothing more, no words spoken by priest, judge or Bozo the Clown, and we would be legally and officially married.
But you want to interject, for whatever reason, another separate, unneeded ceremony to be performed at city hall.
Why? You still haven't adequately explained any logical reasoning for that. All you state is that other countries do it, so we should as well, and that somehow by doing this dual ceremony dance it will somehow weaken religion and strengthen the wall between church and state. Explain, please, clearly and concisely, how that would come about, something that you have yet to do.
nadinbrzezinski (104,707 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
45. First tradition, now personal attacks.
Since juries rarely deal with this, good bye...
pecwae (7,628 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
51. You have insulted
and condescended to MadHound in every reply you've made to him/her in this exchange. There is nothing in the post above yours that a jury would need to be consulted on.
A license from the state is required for marriage. A religious ceremony is a choice.
nadinbrzezinski (104,707 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
72. And he has been pure and non insulting, good bye
cali (70,756 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
52. oh my word. Nadine, don't you see how insulting you've been to others in this thread?
I think you have a good heart but you are so condescending and insulting to others- even when they disagree very politely. Can't you see how off putting that is? I can only surmise that your insecurity drives you in this regard.
Leper hobbits should be insecure.
Hunted, in fact.
zappaman (4,638 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
29. "I guess you really have no idea how this works. "
Typical insults.
Bookmarking for future reference when you inevitably complain you are "bullied" when people disagree with you.
cali (70,756 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. you didn't give a reason
and saying that people here wouldn't understand the reasons is not only insulting as hell, it sounds like a cop out.
And as I said, it's not even close to being the next step. You do realize that it's far more important to see marriage equality recognized as a constitutional right, right?
Codeine (11,861 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
53. 'Well beyond what people understand here," -- except you, right?
You have the lock on wisdom.
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Good for you DUers for standing up to Nadine.
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I have to disagree, vigorously, with the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive.
nadin does not have a good heart; it's black and malevolent and gangrenous.
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Considering the number of posters who disagree with Nads of Arc in this thread, and those who have pointed out her condescension and arrogance as well, it should not be long before she resorts to the 'deleted by author' defense.
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Nads is the perfect liberal socialist in my opinion. She is dumb as a post but tenacious in holding to her erroneous opinions.
Watch for much more from Nads on the separation of church and state. There is a movie starring Eva Longoria and Andy Garcia, For Greater Glory:The True Story of Cristada, which tells the story of Mexico's attempt to outlaw the religion and the Catholic Church from their socialist republic. This should set Nads and the Dummies off.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002670465
A host actually locked a Nads thread! Combine this terrible insult with her butt hurt over getting spanked in the thread referenced above.... 3....2...1... :fuelfire: and off she goes to Bitch & Moan for her 13th GBCW.
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A host actually locked a Nads thread! Combine this terrible insult with her butt hurt over getting spanked in the thread referenced above.... 3....2...1... :fuelfire: and off she goes to Bitch & Moan for her 13th GBCW.
Oh now, this is silly, coming from the defrocked warped primitive, she with the face like Hindenberg's, who's been banned from nursing for life:
Warpy (63,184 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. The more these people expose themselves, the sorrier I feel for them
I would hate to live a life predicated on ignorance, fear and hatred.
No one stood around the local mosque here in September 2001. No one had to, I'm delighted to say.
This part of the country is such a rainbow of colors and cultures that intolerant people soon leave.
There ain't nobody, but nobody, more Hate-filled than the defocked warped primitive.
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I'm 2/5ths on my way to being max ignored, applying a corollary of the franksolich rule.
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I'm 2/5ths on my way to being max ignored, applying a corollary of the franksolich rule.
Actually, I think it's a good idea to limit the number of ignored members one can have.
After all, it's high time nadin heard the truth about herself, even if she has to be forced to hear it.
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Actually, I think it's a good idea to limit the number of ignored members one can have.
After all, it's high time nadin heard the truth about herself, even if she has to be forced to hear it.
I agree, yet my comment was meant to be more tongue in cheek. But while we're at it, let's make a franksolich corollary that only 5 members can ignore any one member. There might be a stampede though.
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Response to derby378 (Reply #7)
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:06 PM
nadinbrzezinski (104,689 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. And that can still happen
I know more about Jewish ceremonies and this done in Mexico where the Justice of the Peace marries you before the state on Tuesday and the Rabbi Saturday night or Sunday matters little. To the extremely religious folks, yup, we have them... consecration is also done at the Temple... before elders. go ahead, EWWW.
You piece of racist shit! Just how did the Joooose come into this argument. I'll tell ya how, your fear and prejudice of a religion! You people really are the scum of the earth! You have to look up in order to see the belly of a worm! Disgusting!
I agree, yet my comment was meant to be more tongue in cheek. But while we're at it, let's make a franksolich corollary that only 5 members can ignore any one member. There might be a stampede though.
That's not how it works. Marriage was ordained by God and is between a male and a female. Outside of that definition, there is no marriage. A gov't can call same sex unions "marriage," but it's not, nor will it ever be. In fact, the proper term for it would be "fornication" because it's a sexual union between two individuals who don't have the right to have sexual relations.
Only libs can take the simple and try to make it complex. Changing the definition of "marriage" won't work. You still have to answer for it eventually, and it won't be pretty for you.
I do believe God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah did he not, DUmbasses??? But I'm sure that never makes a difference to you Godless P'sOS! FOAD!
Not to mention that churches (or whatever religion is recognized/sanctioned by the state) have been performing marriages since FOREVER! :hammer:
That says it all! The lib/socialist/communists, want to remove religion entirely from our culture and traditions! They would like nothing better! If they try it, they will definitely find out what the Second Amendment is for! ****in' degenerate mutha ****a's!
They want my marriage of damn near 40 years to be meaningless! It'll be a cold day in hell before they get away with that!
To me, the religious aspect of marriage is more important than state recognition. Why should I be forced to take the time to have an "official" state wedding in addition to a proper wedding?
AS far as I'm concerned, it's the only one that matters! I didn't enter into life long companionship and raise children because the ****in' government said I could! It is strictly spiritual!
I have to disagree, vigorously, with the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive.
nadin does not have a good heart; it's black and malevolent and gangrenous.
Yeah, too bad it can't be amputated! It would surely make her more personable to other people.
You really don't get this, do you. You are letting your irrationality blind you to the legal facts of marriage. I can(hypothetically speaking if I were single) go to any priest or minister in this country, have them perform the full marriage ceremony word for word, and it still wouldn't mean that I am legally married. The only way that occurs is if I sign that piece of paper provided by the state. Contrariwise, my partner and I can sign that piece of paper, that's it, nothing more, no words spoken by priest, judge or Bozo the Clown, and we would be legally and officially married.
You got it backwards nitwit! The only reason you get a license from the state is so they can tax your ass and collect a fee! Once they have a record of the union, it goes strait into Fed and State records! **** off DUmbass! I will give ya points for stompin' on NadaBrain though! Seems to be a trend.
Considering the number of posters who disagree with Nads of Arc in this thread, and those who have pointed out her condescension and arrogance as well, it should not be long before she resorts to the 'deleted by author' defense.
I have a feelin' Nads is not long until she is in the vast cemetery of DUmpLand.
Actually, I think it's a good idea to limit the number of ignored members one can have.
After all, it's high time nadin heard the truth about herself, even if she has to be forced to hear it.
She couldn't take it. Ya'd think after a while, she would figure out she's not wanted. Unfortunately, it's more than likely she has no other venue in order to tell her minions how much more intelligent she is than they are. I think it's like an addiction. She can't help herself.
Now why would anyone want to ignore the Allosaur? heheheheheheheheh
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Stupid hobittses. They thinks they can get marrieds, butts they cant..Not without the preciousss... I won't gives it to them ! Never ! Stupid fat gay hobbitses wants to steal the preciousss for nambypamby gay hobbit church weddingsss.. Must get marrieds by the state I tells themmm but noo-noooo!!! Theys insisteds on a church ! I will blocks them - blocks them all from us ! Never to see the preciousss ! Never to witness the good rigs.. Never to cross the rubicks cube ! The precious belongs to us and us alone ! Not stupid, fat hobbitsus... And We will gets married by the state ! Usss..and the preciousssssss..
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H5
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I wonder how the 10 states that still permit common-law marriages sit with this upside-down-thinking creature? Under common law marriage, two people can contract to marry without state recognition OR clerical recognition.
Probably doesn't sit very well with her; it still allows too much power to be in the hands of people. Can't have that! Big no no for us to have power over our own lives.
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I wonder how the 10 states that still permit common-law marriages sit with this upside-down-thinking creature? Under common law marriage, two people can contract to marry without state recognition OR clerical recognition.
Probably doesn't sit very well with her; it still allows too much power to be in the hands of people. Can't have that! Big no no for us to have power over our own lives.
It absolutely doesn't sit well. Why, if people can agree to be married without the state, then next they may realize they can determine what to eat without the state. According to liberals that leads to chaos and anarchy.
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OWS leads to chaos and anarchy.
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^I think I am missing the reason you quoted me.
Sorry, I put so many quotes together I sometimes forget to comment on the quote.
Lets see, if ya held everyone here to only 5 comments finding fault with me, it just might be considered squelching Freedom of Speech!
Does that make it more understandable, buma?
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Typical lib logic. If the people do not vote your way, then libs must punish the people.
Hey, DU! That is not how it works in a democracy. Here the people dictate to YOU.
Sore losers. 31 states lost.
Including California Norte Mexico.
Suck it, DUmmies. Suck it long and hard.
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That guy is kind of creepy looking. :rotf:
Like they say, beauty is skin deep, but ugly is to the bone.
And as I've said before, I bet she was a hoot at the Wives Meetings (since changed to Spouses Meetings to placate the PC-crowd.)
Assuming she ever went. Assuming she was ever told. Again, to be forced to be the one to call her on the phone tree...aw, ****! Why's it gotta be me???
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Sorry, I put so many quotes together I sometimes forget to comment on the quote.
Lets see, if ya held everyone here to only 5 comments finding fault with me, it just might be considered squelching Freedom of Speech!
Does that make it more understandable, buma?
Yes, and that is a level more intricate than I imagined. I imagine the rule being, only 5 people can block one other forum member. Once a forum member has been blocked by 5 others, no one else can block that member, they HAVE to read or at least see that members posts.