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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2012 => Topic started by: TVDOC on May 09, 2012, 03:35:10 PM
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As many of you know, I'm not big on prognostication, particularly in elections. I had a sense that 2008 was going to go badly for us, but kept somewhat quiet about it. I DID see and state here that there was a tsunami coming in 2010, and I only missed by degree.....I had no idea that it would be so large, particularly at state and local levels......Democrats lost over 800 seats nationally, and became "endangered species" in a good number of states.
I'm seeing a similar situation developing among the electorate again.......it's subtle, but definitely there, and although the media and the major pollsters are attempting valiantly to spin it, there is no question that "something" is coming in November.
Therefore, I thought I'd start a "legacy thread" that we can continually update as this presidential season rolls along, and chronicle for all to see the elements of defeat of an inexperienced, ineffective, egotistical, narcissistic politician, that but for a fluke of fate, would still be handing out pamphlets on a south Chicago street corner today......
I invite all members to post their thoughts as events unfold, therefore we have all the elements archived when the election happens for even the DUmmies to see as to why their candidate failed, and failed miserably.
I'll start with a couple of big mistakes that will cost Obama substantial numbers of votes in the fall;
1. Spiking the football on the Osama assassination........cost him a lot of veteran, military and military family votes that he might have gotten, had he just kept his ego in check, his mouth shut, and gave the military credit for the accomplishment.
2. Flip-flopping on gay marriage.....as I discussed in another thread, this move has no upside for him, and will only cost him votes, the numbers may be small, but in a close race, every vote counts........not only that but he thumbed his nose at the fine citizens of North Carolina (who voted for him before).
As things roll along, feel free to add your thoughts.......
As an afterthought.....I don't think the November election will even be close.......I'm gonna call an 8 - 10 point spread. Let's see if I'm right........
doc
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Not retiring Poor Stupid Joe Biden.
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Hearkening back to the OBL mission, Barry did a magnificent job in pissing off the SEALs and the rest of the SpecOps community by broadcasting that SEAL Team 6 carried out the mission, collected intel (hard drives, docs, etc.) and thereby effectively nullified the immediacy of the intel gathered during that op.
While this information likely would have come out, it didn't have to come out of the CinC's mouth. Major league dumbassed stunt.
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Forgot one.......
He failed to move to the center (or at least appear to), when his party got slaughtered in 2010, as every other president has done under similar circumstances.......he dug his heels in and basically gridlocked everything......dumb move......the liberals have nowhere to go (and they alone, can't guarantee his reelection) , but it cost him dearly among the independents.....
doc
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Cash for Clunkers - a monumentally stupid idea propagated by Barry that was supposed to have "stimulated" new car sales by offering inflated values to owners of vehicles on the road that were ostensibly garbage on wheels.
A total of 690,000 new cars were sold under this program, with 125,000 of those that wouldn't have been sold anyway.
C for C gave car owners up to $4,500 in rebates if they traded in their gas guzzler for a new car meeting better fuel economy criteria. Average rebate was $4,000.
Edmunds.com reported that most of those sales, while propping up the economy by a whopping 1.7% in the last half of 2009, would have occurred anyway, which translates to a real cost of $24,000 per vehicle borne by the taxpayer when you factor in $3 billion for the entire program.
Cash for Clunkers -- :lame:
http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/clunkers_analysis/index.htm
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Did he ever get a budget passed? If not, unable to compromise with the GOP to pass a budget.
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Forgot one.......
He failed to move to the center (or at least appear to), when his party got slaughtered in 2010, as every other president has done under similar circumstances.......he dug his heels in and basically gridlocked everything......dumb move......the liberals have nowhere to go (and they alone, can't guarantee his reelection) , but it cost him dearly among the independents.....
doc
That one's pretty key, and they're sticking with it big-time with their attacks on Congress, a strategem that is bound to cost them badly in Senate seats.
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The utter failures of the green energy loans and the determination to keep giving them.
Fast and Furious and the resulting cover up.
"We have to pass the bill to see what's in it".
The less than "laser like focus" on jobs.
The loss of our AAA rating.
The determined way he is going to try and gut defense through the budget negotiation "triggers".
Pissing on Israel.
Abandonment of the white working class.
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The utter failures of the green energy loans and the determination to keep giving them.
Fast and Furious and the resulting cover up.
"We have to pass the bill to see what's in it".
The less than "laser like focus" on jobs.
The loss of our AAA rating.
The determined way he is going to try and gut defense through the budget negotiation "triggers".
Pissing on Israel.
Abandonment of the white working class.
If I were offer an observation, and if I understand TVDOC's stated mission, we might do well to give rather detailed reviews of each of these bullet points above, along with a link or two as support.
That way the evidence is there for review, along with the basic message.
Just a thought.....
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my two are:
Always blaming Bush even after 3 years, stand on your own two feet man! Man up!
Screwing Israel over and having your whispers overheard on hot mics of how you really feel
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I think his downfall very well could be all of this piddly crap he keeps trying to throw at Romney, and not trying to actually lead the country.
The elections on Tuesday have really made me hopeful. Maybe. Just maybe, they were the first little pebbles of the Romney landslide.
Carville sounding the alarm like he did gives me some hope, too. He's not stupid.
I'm still scared, but a bit less so.
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If I were offer an observation, and if I understand TVDOC's stated mission, we might do well to give rather detailed reviews of each of these bullet points above, along with a link or two as support.
That way the evidence is there for review, along with the basic message.
Just a thought.....
All of Wasp's points are good ones, however my original thought for this thread is to chronicle the actions that will cost him large blocks of voters.......working from the assumption that a sizable portion of the electorate is either stupid, uninvolved, or don't give a crap.
Obamacare is certainly on the list, but these should be the blunders that do one of three things:
1. Piss off a substantial number of voters that might have voted for him
2. Disallusion a large group of voters that most certainly would have voted for him, and simply fill them with enough apathy that they just stay home
3. Motivate voters that certainly would NOT vote for him to crawl over broken glass to get to the polls, creating a very high opposition turnout.
The overall condition of the economy is certainly a factor, however each voter will interpret that on the basis of its impact on them at the moment.......most could care less about our bond rating, and unless someone actually goes to jail, and it can be linked directly to the WH, I don't see all of these scandals having a huge impact. Remember, after impeachment, Clinton left office with a 60% approval rating.
doc
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Well, on that basis then, here's another point:
Guantanamo Bay's Detention Camp for Terrorists. Lord Zero made a campaign promise to close this facility:
Politifact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/mar/09/president-obamas-promise-close-guantanamo-bay-dete/) - Sorry, I'd post the actual speech, but I can't get to YouTube
That promise was shattered.
As a result, the moonbats have become disaffected with Barry to the point that they're just not all Hopey and Changey anymore.
http://rt.com/news/obama-misinterpreted-disappointment-2008-183/
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The gulf oil spill was a wonderful opportunity for owebuma to walk on water, heal the planet, starting with the gulf, and cause the sea level to recede by stopping the oil flow, and quickly and competently cleaning it all up. But he bungled it and hamburgered it all up worse than the Hamburglar. Maybe it was part of the Louisiana Purchase owebuma is also so famous for bribing Mary Landrieu with.
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He gives a general impression of trying to be slick while being so incompetent about it he can't be slick.
Case in point: the unions. They have been losing membership for years. When people look at unions they see people incessantly threatening to go on strike while the rest of us are looking for jobs. Then, when concessions are made to the unions we're rewarded by seeing either our prices or taxes go up depending on the venue of the union. Worse still, the quality they put out continues to deteriorate as they get increasingly top-heavy and lazy but then the sloth is used as yet another round of cost-increasing extortion. Witness: teachers unions.
Obama supports the unions. Everybody knows this. He's going to take a metric shit-ton of their money for the campaign. Yet Obama dances around that fact because he knows why they're so reviled. He won't come out and say what he would to do pay back the unions. He won't trumpet the outright theft perpetrated against the primary lien holders at GM.
But everybody knows and everybody knows he's hiding it...just like his gay marriage schtick.
People detest dishonesty, particularly about shit staring them in the face. And they absolutely will not respect someone who is so ham-handed in their dishonesty they can't even lie effectively. Moreover, it gives them a sense that the liar does not respect them. it feeds into their sense that the liar is arrogant and takes them for granted. The average voter, the one that decides in the last 2 weeks of the election and carries the largest share of the votes, may not intellectualize this but they get a general impression. It scratches at the back of their minds unceasingly.
Loathing, suspicion and contempt are not a winning combination and if Obama thinks he can distract his way into a second term he will only feed that impression if Romney continues to put the focus back on the economy and non-bullshit issues.
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"Summer of Recovery" :rotf:
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Most political experts figure that Florida will be a close-run state in the presidential election this year, and with 29 electoral votes, it could make or break a candidacy. Both Mitt Romney and Barack Obama will spend a lot of time in the state, attempting to gain the edge on a state that Obama won in 2008 by just three percentage points. If the Obama administration keeps making decisions like this, though, Romney won’t have to work that hard at all:
The daughter of Cuban President Raul Castro has been granted a U.S. visa to attend an academic conference in San Francisco and another event, one of her associates confirmed Thursday. The decision has already drawn fire from Cuban-American politicians and on anti-Castro blogs, which argue that she is an apologist for the Communist government her family has led for decades.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/17/obama-administration-issues-visa-to-raul-castros-daughter/
Dumbass is too greedy for power to even be smart enough to go about keeping it effectively.
Cesear gave his subjects bread and circuses. Obama invites the daughter of the Visigoth chieftain.
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http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/17/obama-administration-issues-visa-to-raul-castros-daughter/
Dumbass is too greedy for power to even be smart enough to go about keeping it effectively.
Cesear gave his subjects bread and circuses. Obama invites the daughter of the Visigoth chieftain.
Obama was looking for a relative of Che to invite to the country but could find one.
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The beer summit after opening his pie hole and saying the cop acted stupidly before he knew any of the facts.
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Claiming if he had a son he would look like Trayvon.
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I think his downfall very well could be all of this piddly crap he keeps trying to throw at Romney, and not trying to actually lead the country.
The elections on Tuesday have really made me hopeful. Maybe. Just maybe, they were the first little pebbles of the Romney landslide.
Carville sounding the alarm like he did gives me some hope, too. He's not stupid.
I'm still scared, but a bit less so.
When has he ever been a leader?
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Y'all leave Obama alone. He's doing just fine by himself.....just fine... :-)
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Y'all leave Obama alone. He's doing just fine by himself.....just fine... :-)
Hey... We are just trying to keep score.
:popcorn:
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"Green Shoots"
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One of my personal tone deaf favorites:
The roots of Obama's demise
By Marc A. Thiessen
Monday, October 25, 2010
The decline of the Obama presidency can be traced to a meeting at the White House just three days after the inauguration, when the new president gathered congressional leaders of both parties to discuss his proposed economic stimulus. House Republican Whip Eric Cantor gave President Obama a list of modest proposals for the bill. Obama said he would consider the GOP ideas, but told the assembled Republicans that "elections have consequences" and "I won." Backed by the largest congressional majorities in decades, the president was not terribly interested in giving ground to his vanquished adversaries.
He may rue that decision next Tuesday. Whether the midterm elections are a tidal wave that sweeps Democrats out of power on Capitol Hill or simply result in major losses for the president's party,
{snip}
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/25/AR2010102502408.html
Yes, yes, they do but arrogance and hubris have theirs as well,
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That $8,000 rebate for buying a house.
(Some of the things I thought of were already mentioned)
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One round of golf after another.
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His biggest blunder was concentrating on Obamacare rather than the economy, jobs and debt.
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The cornhusker kickback.
The louisiana purchase.
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Borrowed from another ConservativeCave collection of headlines and other stupid shit from the current Pres0dent...
Obama Selects Woman Who Wanted to Invade Israel As Chair of Genocide Panel (http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2012/04/obama-selects-woman-who-wanted-to.html)
White House appoints former Obama student to head GSA (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/post/white-house-personnel-moves/2012/04/19/gIQAMGCPTT_blog.html)
White House investigation declares White House innocent in Secret Service scandal (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/23/good-news-white-house-investigation-declares-white-house-innocent-in-secret-service-scandal/)
In 2008, Obama promises a Pay As You Go approach to spending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q63yE4dhiPU&feature=youtu.be)
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Stupid Egotistical Political Mistakes that Cost Obama his Second Term
His first term.
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Did he ever get a budget passed? If not, unable to compromise with the GOP to pass a budget.
No he hasn't. The main reason being that everyone he tried to pass included more taxes on the rich. As long as he keeps putting that in, he will never pass one.
As for anything else, pretty much was already said.
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No he hasn't. The main reason being that everyone he tried to pass included more taxes on the rich. As long as he keeps putting that in, he will never pass one.
As for anything else, pretty much was already said.
His own party won't even vote for the budgets that he submits.
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His own party won't even vote for the budgets that he submits.
Because they know if they pass tax hikes on the rich, they will lose their seats.
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Because they know if they pass tax hikes on the rich, they will lose their seats.
I think it transcends that idea completely.
The Dems can't sign on to total and complete lunacy. Obama's budgets weren't worth the paper they were written on. The Dems knew that (as did Obama) and thus left it in the toilet.
The Dems in the Senate have done a magnificent job in stopping the budget process, because it's a lot easier to spend money through Concurrent Resolutions than it is to actually haggle about budgets.
Congratulations, Dingy Harry. You're stellar. :whatever:
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Did we get this one yet??
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWARNUP07kQ[/youtube]
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Did we get this one yet??
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWARNUP07kQ[/youtube]
I forgot about that one. Stooooopid photo op.
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The private sector is doing good
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The private sector is doing good
The Magic Negro has told some whoppers but this one is right up there at the top of the list.
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The Magic Negro has told some whoppers but this one is right up there at the top of the list.
How about going back on his promise to only take "public financing". Juan McLame certainly bought that sthick lock, stock, and barrel. Good job taking the high road there Juan. You certainly proved you are the better man. (whatta maroon)
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Biden speaks and removes all doubt.
While at the US mayors conference, says the best cities aren't in the USA :thatsright:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/06/16/Biden-Great-Cities-China
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$40,000-a-plate fundraisers where he says that Romney is out of touch with the middle class... :whatever:
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Biden speaks and removes all doubt.
While at the US mayors conference, says the best cities aren't in the USA :thatsright:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/06/16/Biden-Great-Cities-China
After 2 surgeries, Half a brain Biden is not playing with a full deck.
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Obama's white half is racist.
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Richard Milhouse Obama and John Mitchell Holder. What did they know and when did they know it? It is never the crime that gets 'em, it's the cover up.
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Richard Milhouse Obama and John Mitchell Holder. What did they know and when did they know it? It is never the crime that gets 'em, it's the cover up.
Does Exec Privelege last forever? Could Pres Romney open those docs up to investigation, thereby making O and crew liable for criminal investigation?
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Does Exec Privelege last forever? Could Pres Romney open those docs up to investigation, thereby making O and crew liable for criminal investigation?
Do you really think those docs will exist after Holdem leaves? If they exist now.
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If Issa has a mole, he might already have the documents he is requesting from the Justice Department.
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Do you really think those docs will exist after Holdem leaves? If they exist now.
I think O is narcisstic enough to think they might be of importance to someone chronicling his first 4 years in office that culminated with him winning reelection and then being named pres for life (remember, this is his narcissism, not my hoped for outcome)
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If Issa has a mole, he might already have the documents he is requesting from the Justice Department.
Actually, I think Issa has several moles. Over time the Comte. has revised the document request very specifically. I think he has seen or heard described most of the stuff he is asking for. I can see no other reason for the completely inappropriate privilege claim than panic.
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The biggest mistake Obama makes is getting out of bed in the morning. He just stay there and let someone who knows what they are doing run the country.
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Obamacare. This pile of warm runny shit is all his.