Marzupialis (62 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
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COINTELPRO and Occupy
White powder being sent to right-wing stations (Fox) with the message "Happy May Day" at a time when Occupy holds May Day protests...young men, some of whom sympathized ith Occupy Cleveland who never thought of blowing up a bridge until an FBI informant told them to do it with fake explosives. Now a permit has been denied against Occupy Cleveland and nobody questions the timing of this event.
COINTELPRO may be dead as a name, but the tactic lives and will live forever. Left-wing organizations will always be framed in order to discredit them.
Got a concept for you DUmmies: No True Scotsman. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman) Look it up.
...then they will ACT surprised when their own become violent.
Even when they exhort others to violence from the safety of their mothers'vaginasbasements.
Anarchist dude on Hannity last night said the police trucked in all the provocateurs to make OWS look bad. What's funny is dude thinks he will be believed on that count.:rofl:
Anarchist dude on Hannity last night said the police trucked in all the provocateurs to make OWS look bad. What's funny is dude thinks he will be believed on that count.
Stupid Dumpmonkies. Statistically their is no way that every act of criminal behavior can be cause by Agents provocateur or the CIA or the Cops and none by the OWS when in fact its been shown on camera that it is indeed you and has been for a long time. You have not only done it during OWS but during the G-7,G-8 and the G-20 summits and the WTO gatherings just to start with.
DUmmies try to say that anyone committing acts of violence are not members of OWS. That doesn't wash. Neither do they, so it's a tie.
Since OWS has no leadership, no structure, no membership requirements, and no self-policing, then anyone who says they are OWS are OWS. If they're there, and they've joined in the crowd and claimed the same goals, then you can't just arbitrarily point a finger and say, "This one is, this one isn't, this one is, this one isn't...", based solely on what you like or don't like about their behavior. Like it or not they are your creation as a result of of your insistence on having no organization, except for the laughable "general assemblies", which spend more time affirming that none of them have more authority than another, and going through monotonous "mic checks" than actually deciding anything.
if that is the case, then it was also agent prevaricators at the Tea Party rallies causing problems.
if that is the case, then it was also agent prevaricators at the Tea Party rallies causing problems.
Like what, double-parking?
They already know about NTS fallacies. They don't care. They will still spend their days screaming for acts of civil disobedience and claiming wealth is the moral and legal equivalent of murder, rape and slavery rolled into one...
...then they will ACT surprised when their own become violent.
They already know about NTS fallacies. They don't care. They will still spend their days screaming for acts of civil disobedience and claiming wealth is the moral and legal equivalent of murder, rape and slavery rolled into one...
...then they will ACT surprised when their own become violent.
"young men, some of whom sympathized ith Occupy Cleveland who never thought of blowing up a bridge until an FBI informant told them to do it with fake explosives."
1. They didn't just "Sympathize" with Occupy Cleveland, they were part of it. Out of the five would- be bombers, all but one were official members of/ participants in Occupy Cleveland.
2. Oh, I'm so sure that they never thought of it until the informant gave them the idea! Yeah, right. Would they have even wasted their resources putting an informant among that particular group of Occupiers unless they (The FBI) knew those guys were dangerous and likely to commit an act of terrorism? I doubt it.
What problems?
Like what, double-parking?
You know all the racism, spitting in congressman's face, making racists signs. I know it is minor compared to what the Occupiers have done. And the Liberals all want the tea party members thrown in jail, but want the occupiers left alone.All those acts you mention were alleged, never proven, Breitbart had a bounty for proof, no one has ever provided any to claim the bounty.
All those acts you mention were alleged, never proven, Breitbart had a bounty for proof, no one has ever provided any to claim the bounty.
The 'Agents Provocateur' conspiracy theory that all of Occupy has been using to explain away bad behavior can only be true if the members of Occupy are stupid enough to fall for it in the first place. If Occupy's stated goal of peaceful resistance were true, everyone connected to the movement should have seen right through the ploy.That's actually exactly what I predicted would happen in a thread way back in December about predictions for 2012: I predicted that the Occupy movement would continue to lose support and fade into obscurity (Which it has, up until these recent oubreaks of vandalism and violence), and that the more demented among their ranks would respond to this by ramping up their methods to include vandalism, violence, and acts of terrorism as a way to revive their dying movement.
However -
I suspect what is more true is that members of Occupy are frustrated that all they have done was to voluntarily live in squalor- and they have gained virtually nothing for it - So they are stepping up their efforts to bring about the change they desire.
It would take too long to count all the times DUmmies and others like them openly call for vandalism, violence, and terrorism, yet when someone on their side actually starts doing it, they act all surprised and insist it must have been an agent provocateur.
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21. +1. No doubt.
The movement publicly expressed non-violence right from the start, so bull crap 'underground' criminal actions are opposed to the principles all of the Occupiers espoused as a basis for originally getting together. Criminal acts oppose Occupy. Those actions are coming from the authorities, who fear Occupy. The 1%ers have been infiltrating progressive movements since the 1800's. SOP.
Some non-infiltrator activists occasionally do something dumb. When people get angry and hate-ful about a hateful system they are fighting against, sometimes their minds wind up in pawn to that system. Then they do something that is bad, and the system uses the incident for bad propaganda. They wind up working for the system, and they aren't even getting paid. But I haven't seen any angry or hateful people at the Occupy actions I attended.
Euph and Fire know I'm not an 'official' Occupier, because I blundered into their group on the 99% spring issue a while ago. I ally with Occupy, Spring, and Labor Dems on an issue-by-issue basis, or action-by-action basis. All I can say is Occupy is 99% right. Occupy is still outreaching to the unpoliticized 99% ers, and exposing the 1%ers. There will always be some bad guys out there, but refusing their 'underground action' enticements blunts half of their effectiveness. The other half is blunted by not distrusting strangers without good reason. Refuse to cease outreaching due to knowledge that the cointel 'pros' are out there. The cops want Occupy afraid to outreach and ally, because of worries about infiltration. They want an atmosphere of distrust among 99%ers who have been there from the start, too.
A handful of small UAVs, several equipped with a modified tazer unit that could detach and cling to the target after connecting, with special assault squads of cops on the ground to complete the arrests, would pretty well solve the anarchist mayhem problem.
Then what am I going to do with all these genetically modified rottweilers that shoot exploding chainsaws from their mouths when they bark?
Then what am I going to do with all these genetically modified rottweilers that shoot exploding chainsaws from their mouths when they bark?
Then what am I going to do with all these genetically modified rottweilers that shoot exploding chainsaws from their mouths when they bark?